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We've lost a game. Manager goes from "Hero to Zero". Some fans making sweeping statements re "Doom and Gloom". One or more even talking about giving us up.

But: Sky Bet still have us as favourites. There are still some 45 games to go.

This is the first time our new manager has seen some of our players not defend set-pieces and players who had impressed him so far. Friendlies arranged before he joined us did not test us in that key area.

Isn't it obvious that the new manager is having a good look at the squad. He needs to give all the players the opportunity to perform and to earn their place in his squad. For some the alternative is unemployment so please don't tell me they don't care.

He has signed two strikers and a wide midfielder to date. Why not defenders? Well he must have judged that the strikers previously at the club were not good enough just now; McNulty, Adams, Higdon, no others don't forget with Done injured, so that is fair enough.

He must have detected that there was some value in our defenders, particularly with the forthcoming return of Kennedy and Brayford in due course. Today he learned a lot and in any case who is to say he is not awaiting the release of a couple of Premier League or Championship players on loan and who he knows very well?

The simple fact is that we have lost 3 points and our manager knows he needs probably 3 defenders before January 31st. I think Basham is one of those defenders, but others prefer him in midfield, that is a prime example of the sort of decision our manager has to make. Another is George Long and I fully agree with him having the opportunity to show the manager what he can do; the lad's whole United career is at stake and he had been OK in pre-season. Added to that Howard's career record and fitness record is modest at best, so it was, and is, a worthy test but now he has started it he has to give him some game time to prove or disprove himself.

Somebody said recently that Adkins is delighted with the quality of the squad he inherited. All of a sudden we all know that is not the case. Adkins tries to spin a positive weave on things but he was critical last night and rightly so. But he is weeks into his tenure here, literally weeks. There's a long way to go, even for this season and certainly beyond.
 



We've lost a game. Manager goes from "Hero to Zero". Some fans making sweeping statements re "Doom and Gloom". One or more even talking about giving us up.

But: Sky Bet still have us as favourites. There are still some 45 games to go.

This is the first time our new manager has seen some of our players not defend set-pieces and players who had impressed him so far. Friendlies arranged before he joined us did not test us in that key area.

Isn't it obvious that the new manager is having a good look at the squad. He needs to give all the players the opportunity to perform and to earn their place in his squad. For some the alternative is unemployment so please don't tell me they don't care.

He has signed two strikers and a wide midfielder to date. Why not defenders? Well he must have judged that the strikers previously at the club were not good enough just now; McNulty, Adams, Higdon, no others don't forget with Done injured, so that is fair enough.

He must have detected that there was some value in our defenders, particularly with the forthcoming return of Kennedy and Brayford in due course. Today he learned a lot and in any case who is to say he is not awaiting the release of a couple of Premier League or Championship players on loan and who he knows very well?

The simple fact is that we have lost 3 points and our manager knows he needs probably 3 defenders before January 31st. I think Basham is one of those defenders, but others prefer him in midfield, that is a prime example of the sort of decision our manager has to make. Another is George Long and I fully agree with him having the opportunity to show the manager what he can do; the lad's whole United career is at stake and he had been OK in pre-season. Added to that Howard's career record and fitness record is modest at best, so it was, and is, a worthy test but now he has started it he has to give him some game time to prove or disprove himself.

Somebody said recently that Adkins is delighted with the quality of the squad he inherited. All of a sudden we all know that is not the case. Adkins tries to spin a positive weave on things but he was critical last night and rightly so. But he is weeks into his tenure here, literally weeks. There's a long way to go, even for this season and certainly beyond.
Can you confirm (for the sake of my sanity and yours) that you'd immediately declare an end to the George Long experiment?

Good post if so, utter madness if not.

UTB
 
Good Pele, Woody.

We're all painfully aware of what Long can do. None of it has anything to do with good goalkeeping!

How many points do you want his sustained run to cost us? Then Nogoalso De Juve will have to have his "chance" I suppose?

Come back Lee Baxter and Jordan Chappell. We want to Giyerarun. It's only fair....
 
If George Long starts against Chesterfield it will be almost criminal negligence.

Adkins needs a full fitness assessment of Howard on his desk 9am Tuesday morning, if it says his fitness cannot be relied upon a new goal keeper needs to be at the club Thursday at the latest.
 
I didn't realise man united were under pressure ;)
 
Can you confirm (for the sake of my sanity and yours) that you'd immediately declare an end to the George Long experiment?

Good post if so, utter madness if not.

UTB

The latter. He wants him to have more calamity time to prove himself useless beyond doubt. Quite how many goals we have to concede to resolve the matter, I know not.

Personally, I'd sooner put him in a box, like that other experimental cat. I suspect the latter would command it better....
 
Somebody said recently that Adkins is delighted with the quality of the squad he inherited. .

If that single statement is true then Adkins may as well go now.

Better to say nothing than drop himself in the shit like that - he now has to justify his silly statement.

If that statement is in fact true, then his man management skills are seriously called in to question.

Adkins: Scunthorpe = great, Southamption = great, Reading = poor.

We had all better hope his bubble hasn't burst - over to you Mr Adkins.............prove it. You can start to prove it by being ruthless with our defence.

UTB
 
A few things i'd disagree with you on:

1 - George Long, we can't afford to 'experiment' any more. We need to sign a proven GK and either loan him out or keep him as back-up.

2 - It's not 'fair enough' that he signed 2 strikers and a winger. We needed a GK and 2 CBs a lot more and there's no excuse for not getting them so far.

3 - The manager hasn't gone from hero to zero and i haven't seen one post that suggests so. I'd say most blades still regard him as a very good manager, he's just made a few mistakes that could prove costly this season.
 
The latter. He wants him to have more calamity time to prove himself useless beyond doubt. Quite how many goals we have to concede to resolve the matter, I know not.

Personally, I'd sooner put him in a box, like that other experimental cat. I suspect the latter would command it better....
I often wonder about the worth of the academy. Some people want to cling on to our youth and offer us up for a testing ground until it's obvious that serving fries at Mcdonalds beckons.

"Give him a run in the side" you often read. What fucking planet are these people on?


"Get out of division Three" covers priority one to one hundred. Please take your experiments elsewhere.

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If that single statement is true then Adkins may as well go now.

Better to say nothing than drop himself in the shit like that - he now has to justify his silly statement.

If that statement is in fact true, then his man management skills are seriously called in to question.

Adkins: Scunthorpe = great, Southamption = great, Reading = poor.

We had all better hope his bubble hasn't burst - over to you Mr Adkins.............prove it. You can start to prove it by being ruthless with our defence.

UTB


Calm down Fulwood you are over-emotional. It wasn't Adkins, nor did my post say that, it was "someone" on here, a "senior poster" who suggested it.
 
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But: Sky Bet still have us as favourites.

My understanding is this reflects the money wagered by punters rather than the wisdom of a council of sages.

This just means we've been backed by more money than anyone else (which ties in with the optimistic fans business) doesn't it?

The money people are willing to bet and the chances of a team doing well are similar but not the same.
 
We've lost a game. Manager goes from "Hero to Zero". Some fans making sweeping statements re "Doom and Gloom". One or more even talking about giving us up.

But: Sky Bet still have us as favourites. There are still some 45 games to go.

This is the first time our new manager has seen some of our players not defend set-pieces and players who had impressed him so far. Friendlies arranged before he joined us did not test us in that key area.

Isn't it obvious that the new manager is having a good look at the squad. He needs to give all the players the opportunity to perform and to earn their place in his squad. For some the alternative is unemployment so please don't tell me they don't care.

He has signed two strikers and a wide midfielder to date. Why not defenders? Well he must have judged that the strikers previously at the club were not good enough just now; McNulty, Adams, Higdon, no others don't forget with Done injured, so that is fair enough.

He must have detected that there was some value in our defenders, particularly with the forthcoming return of Kennedy and Brayford in due course. Today he learned a lot and in any case who is to say he is not awaiting the release of a couple of Premier League or Championship players on loan and who he knows very well?

The simple fact is that we have lost 3 points and our manager knows he needs probably 3 defenders before January 31st. I think Basham is one of those defenders, but others prefer him in midfield, that is a prime example of the sort of decision our manager has to make. Another is George Long and I fully agree with him having the opportunity to show the manager what he can do; the lad's whole United career is at stake and he had been OK in pre-season. Added to that Howard's career record and fitness record is modest at best, so it was, and is, a worthy test but now he has started it he has to give him some game time to prove or disprove himself.

Somebody said recently that Adkins is delighted with the quality of the squad he inherited. All of a sudden we all know that is not the case. Adkins tries to spin a positive weave on things but he was critical last night and rightly so. But he is weeks into his tenure here, literally weeks. There's a long way to go, even for this season and certainly beyond.

Had time to read the rest of it now. Good post :)
 
If that single statement is true then Adkins may as well go now.

Better to say nothing than drop himself in the shit like that - he now has to justify his silly statement.

Well, if he's asked a question that demands a public answer about the squad quality after a few weeks here, he's hardly going to say: "Yeah, I've inherited a right fucking bunch of donkeys, can't wait to get shut of the useless cart horses" (and staying silent would be interpreted by lots as the same thing)
 



"Give him a run in the side" you often read.

Give him a run in someone else's side is often the case when they go out on loan. :)

With "give him a run in [our] side" that's not just Academy players, it's often said of McNulty for instance.

Just so it's clear: Sometimes you have to persist - especially if there's no good alternative - but, no, you shouldn't persist with Bladey-Blades more than any other player.
 
A few things i'd disagree with you on:

1 - George Long, we can't afford to 'experiment' any more. We need to sign a proven GK and either loan him out or keep him as back-up.

2 - It's not 'fair enough' that he signed 2 strikers and a winger. We needed a GK and 2 CBs a lot more and there's no excuse for not getting them so far.

3 - The manager hasn't gone from hero to zero and i haven't seen one post that suggests so. I'd say most blades still regard him as a very good manager, he's just made a few mistakes that could prove costly this season.



Three things that I disagree with all three points of your post above:

1. A Manager makes his decision and has to stick by his choice for a few or more games, bit like Adam Lythe at cricket.

2. We needed strikers just as much as defenders, it's just that the strikers were available. Boy did we need a set-piece taker. The defenders will come and one is Basham.

3. These are not mistakes, it is just part of any reasonable settling-in period. FFS he was appointed on 2nd June THIS YEAR!!!
 
Calm down Fulwood you are over-emotional. It wasn't Adkins, nor did my post say that, it was "someone" on here, a "senior poster" who suggested it.

I object very strongly to being told I am over emotional - in fact do not do it again. Never confuse passion for United.

I am applying what I believe is rational opinions - if you differ, then that isn't a problem. You have tried to make it personal before which I let go.

there won't be another. If you want there to be another then don't answer my posts.

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Well, if he's asked a question that demands a public answer about the squad quality after a few weeks here, he's hardly going to say: "Yeah, I've inherited a right fucking bunch of donkeys, can't wait to get shut of the useless cart horses" (and staying silent would be interpreted by lots as the same thing)

You are entitled to your opinion - mine is different.

He has created the first rod for his own back.

UTB
 
Give him a run in someone else's side is often the case when they go out on loan. :)

With "give him a run in [our] side" that's not just Academy players, it's often said of McNulty for instance.

Just so it's clear: Sometimes you have to persist - especially if there's no good alternative - but, no, you shouldn't persist with Bladey-Blades more than any other player.
Good point. But there's quite a few who put a lot more emphasis on developing local youth. I half understand, until you realise they fuck off at the drop of an extra fiver, just like the rest.

We need to be ruthless.

UTB
 
I object very strongly to being told I am over emotional - in fact do not do it again. Never confuse passion for United.

I am applying what I believe is rational opinions - if you differ, then that isn't a problem. You have tried to make it personal before which I let go.

there won't be another. If you want there to be another then don't answer my posts.

UTB


"In fact do not do it again", were you a schoolteacher?

On a day when Arsenal lose at home, on a weekend when Chelsea draw at home and the Mancs win by an own goal maybe we should all draw breath and chill out, it's the first game of the season and our manager has been in post since early June. Calm the emotions guys, passion can be counter-productive in many circumstances:cool:
 
On the Long situation Woody I think you have to ask your self which is the more important to us all right now , The clubs promotion or Longs feelings ?
I know which I'd choose......
 
chill out, it's the first game of the season and our manager has been in post since early June

I've chopped your words a little, but it sums up my emotions after the car-crash match yesterday, taking into account it appears a continuation of last season, that there are clear deficiencies in the team. I just feel it i too early to go throw myself off a cliff just yet. Middle of next month maybe? Hopefully we'll be climbing the mountain and I'll forget about the cliff.
 
On the Long situation Woody I think you have to ask your self which is the more important to us all right now , The clubs promotion or Longs feelings ?
I know which I'd choose......
As long as George is ok and getting the support he needs for fucking up big time then that's fine, promotion will have to become 2nd.

Infact, throw him in again to make a few more mistakes just to really make sure his feelings are ok.
 



I've chopped your words a little, but it sums up my emotions after the car-crash match yesterday, taking into account it appears a continuation of last season, that there are clear deficiencies in the team. I just feel it i too early to go throw myself off a cliff just yet. Middle of next month maybe? Hopefully we'll be climbing the mountain and I'll forget about the cliff.


Depends how old you are and how long you've got, I'm 67:eek::mad:
 

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