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Jack O'Connell, not good enough for Brentford, hasn't improved under Wilder? Egan hasn't? Fleck, considered not good enough by many Coventry fans in League One, didn't develop? Compare Chris Basham, K. Freeman and Paul Coutts when managed by Chris Wilder versus them managed by other managers. He improved pretty much every player at this club. Even in the PL, Mousset looked better under Wilder than he ever did under Eddie Howe.
For us to stay up this year it would’ve taken whatever has happened to fleck and Norwood not happening. For us to be comfortably lower mid table it would’ve taken JOC not getting injured. For us to have kicked on from last year it would’ve taken another Herculean effort from everyone. That said I think we’re 3-4 players off being competitive problem was no one knew we needed those players in the summer.Just out of interest how much more would we have needed to spend this year to make us competitive? Without getting too deep into wages etc? 2 more £20 million players?
I think we changed our strategy as we were clearly wrongly confident that senior players could produce consistently again this year. Thus allowing the young players to be slowly introduced and as wilder says learn their trade. Theoretically these players have done more at a younger age than those older players listed so we hoped we could build a core which could compete in the upper mid table range of the prem without paying the prices to bring in those players ready made.i dont know why we changed strategy so drastically, yes we had £50m to spend. But why go for £20m players, and then at best mid- championship backup (robinson, osborn, rodwell) when we could have easily gone for 4-5 players in the £5-10m mark and theyd have all been fairly decent
For example instead of:
Ramsdale 18m
brewster 20m
burke (swap)
Lowe & Bogle - 12m
We could have had:
Foster - £3m?
Toney - £7m
Roofe - £4.5m
Bogle and Lowe - £12m
Burke (Swap)
Jake Cooper - £10m
my point is - why did we not hedge our bets more? if we use this strategy we not only give ourselves a bit more room for failure, we also give squad depth for key areas. It’s closer aligned to our strategy in previous years. The minute we had a snuff of money we spunked it as we did not have the experience to know how to use it properly, It’s still a gamble (what transfer wouldnt be with our current finances) but less high risk.
To be fair, your the best undercover pig on hereTake your point on those individuals but certainly not every player at the club. It was a more Wilder signs an awful lot of players who feature once or twice never to be seen again. Therefore is it through skill and knowledge he develops them or is it more keep trying different things until they work i.e how much is down to the "system" because he seems rather reluctant to change it.
I agreed whatever happens with the manager we aren’t staying up. The club needs to show sign of having a plan for another 5-6 year cycle that means finishing the complete rebuild of the first team squad with players in their early to mid twenties and creating the off field infrastructure capable of supporting a team which operates at upper champ/ prem levelI don't know what the answer is and I've certainly not got any alternative managers as a solution.
My only feeling really at present is one of sadness at how it's all gone pear shaped.
Whilst recognising completely that if this run continues for most of the season, it is likely to be much harder to turn around than some seem to think, if Wilder was to go it would undoubtedly be the saddest I'll have felt at a manager leaving.
Only Bassett would compare and things had gone stale by then with boardroom issues.
I've thought we've sacked many managers at the wrong time c) McCabe but none have left me with the sad feeling that Wilder going would.
It's all so Sheffield United.
YesThe best case scenario is we keep Wilder and come straight back up but that brings a problem in itself. As Chairman would you want Wilder spending any of your money considering how badly it has been spent in the last 18 months? Wilder will be promoted for a second time but this time as a manager that failed to adapt and took us down on what is a likely to be a very low points total ie without the "momentum". If the 10 year plan is to yo-yo between the divisions then fine but if you want to establish us as a Premier League club we need coaches that improve players individually and can adapt whether that's along side Wilder or in place of I don't know but has Wilder improved any player for us?
Maybe beyond our budget or ambition but coaches like Rafa Benitez, Howe etc improve players and develop them. Wilder doesn't he just chops and changes away at the system until it works which is fine in the lower leagues where wages and fees aren't an issue but you can't keep buying £20 million players until one of them clicks. In my opinion the strategy Wilder has taken is high risk high reward. If Brewster had come in and scored 7/8 goals by now we'd be saying bargain and thats a £40 million striker the same with McBurnie. I don't buy into this idea of if we go down him and McBurnie are still £20 million players we will end up taking a big hit if we did have to sell. And again should be promoted again you've two strikers who failed last time they were in the PL.
Just out of interest how much more would we have needed to spend this year to make us competitive? Without getting too deep into wages etc? 2 more £20 million players?
£20m on a JOC replacement/coverJust out of interest how much more would we have needed to spend this year to make us competitive? Without getting too deep into wages etc? 2 more £20 million players?
The fact he got us to the premier league for a net spend less than Adam Reach really kills you, doesn’t it?Take your point on those individuals but certainly not every player at the club. It was a more Wilder signs an awful lot of players who feature once or twice never to be seen again. Therefore is it through skill and knowledge he develops them or is it more keep trying different things until they work i.e how much is down to the "system" because he seems rather reluctant to change it.
more like a couple of 40M players, 20 million players are normally buying youth and hoping they develop, from the start of this season it has been obvious we didnt have that luxury and needed the finsished article ASAPJust out of interest how much more would we have needed to spend this year to make us competitive? Without getting too deep into wages etc? 2 more £20 million players?
Sorry there is too much looking back, doesn't help where we are or where we should be going forward. Yes players were improved but then they have regressed. The mistake is to dwell on past glorious /successes. We are where we are and Wilder has not shown he is a Premiership manager, cannot adapt tactics or recognise player qualities and the Board should be looking around(and probably are) for someone who is. It's not easy but being stuck in the past is fatal.Jack O'Connell, not good enough for Brentford, hasn't improved under Wilder? Egan hasn't? Fleck, considered not good enough by many Coventry fans in League One, didn't develop? Compare Chris Basham, K. Freeman and Paul Coutts when managed by Chris Wilder versus them managed by other managers. He improved pretty much every player at this club. Even in the PL, Mousset looked better under Wilder than he ever did under Eddie Howe.
i dont know why we changed strategy so drastically, yes we had £50m to spend. But why go for £20m players, and then at best mid- championship backup (robinson, osborn, rodwell) when we could have easily gone for 4-5 players in the £5-10m mark and theyd have all been fairly decent
For example instead of:
Ramsdale 18m
brewster 20m
burke (swap)
Lowe & Bogle - 12m
We could have had:
Foster - £3m?
Toney - £7m
Roofe - £4.5m
Bogle and Lowe - £12m
Burke (Swap)
Jake Cooper - £10m
my point is - why did we not hedge our bets more? if we use this strategy we not only give ourselves a bit more room for failure, we also give squad depth for key areas. It’s closer aligned to our strategy in previous years. The minute we had a snuff of money we spunked it as we did not have the experience to know how to use it properly, It’s still a gamble (what transfer wouldnt be with our current finances) but less high risk.
Double the wage Bill and bring in the three ( hopefully ) he wanted not buy those further down the list - if at all on itJust out of interest how much more would we have needed to spend this year to make us competitive? Without getting too deep into wages etc? 2 more £20 million players?
Admittedly some big money signings haven’t worked out. No offence but your post is being wise with the benefit of hindsight
Ramsdale
Was an England number 1 prospect last season. We now know that he can pull off a worldy but struggles with catching. Seemed a great replacement for Henderson. In hindsight hasn’t been as good but regarded as one of the top two or three English keepers when we signed him.
Brewster
Highly rated by the fans and manager of the English, European and World champions. So much so that LFC put a buy back clause in his contract. Reyt signing or so so it seemed. In hindsight, the kid looks lost.
Lowe and Bogle.
Bit parts for both. To be fair if they’d signed last year they’d have been seen as shrewd add ons to a good squad but this season held to account.
Burke - WBA fans said he was crap but far better than Robinson. One of the few threats we carry.
We could have had:
Foster - £3m?
Toney - £7m
Roofe - £4.5m
Bogle and Lowe - £12m
Burke (Swap)
Jake Cooper - £10m
The above could have been twice as good or twice as shite, we’ll never know ( unless we go back in time, sign them, then fast forward and review on here.)
I love this club, it’s going to be painful until May. He’s got some stuff wrong (stuff that few of of would’ve got right without the benefit of hindsight). Keep the faith
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