Would you have swapped

[Nagima]

I really hope not- because we saw this about 5 times in 97 matches- overall rating for Berge was 5/10 at best, overall rating for Ndiaye was 10/10.

Hamer is better than Berge, Archer if he's 2 thirds Ndiaye we have a gem.

Agree totally .

 

[Houston_Blade]

Yep, I don't think there's many that wouldn't have done that especially given the contract situation going forward, but the equation as a whole is very different, while Hamer >>> Berge there's a lot more >'s between Ndiaye and the rest of the deal

I would probably swap Ndiaye for Grealish or Foden, that’s about it.

 

[SwissBlade]

Ndiaye and Berge for Archer, Hamer and Souza at the start of the season if you had the choice? Tough one as we don't know the relative impacts. But I'm beginning to think we have a chance now.

Berge for Hamer - based on the one performance he seems to fit better in our system which we’re trying to play.

Ndiaye - hasn’t been replaced yet and very unlikely to replace him with a like for like. So the best we can hope for is several players coming in and contributing

Souza for Doyle - not like for like, as such but a fit Souza looks like he could be a strong presence. Would still like Doyle back to take some pressure off Norwood

McAtee - not replaced either so we need someone in. Traore could fill some of this gap but he looks fairly raw still

All in all, we’ve replaced 1-2 of those 4 we lost. And the ones coming in have mostly not been close to being fully match fit, which is staggering

We have a long way to go

 

[Skiliman]

Ndiaye and Berge for Archer, Hamer and Souza at the start of the season if you had the choice? Tough one as we don't know the relative impacts. But I'm beginning to think we have a chance now.

Its crazy how we have started looking at it like this. We have just been promoted, we should have been adding those 3 players on top of what we already had. We cant do much about players wanting to move but financially we should of been spending 35/40m anyway but our net spend is 6m.

This Archer deal will also look like the Prince is being ambitious but its basically a loan if we are relegated and a perm if we stay up. (spending next years money)

As it stands we have spent 6 million. Its a joke.

 

[Old Programme seller]

Very different players and addressing different needs. Hamer I rated when I saw him 2 seasons ago at Coventry v Cardiff. He is a busy midfielder who has a nice range of skills. Souza, I would like to see a bit more of. Berge is better than both at when on the ball and driving at teams. We only saw him play really well in the last few games of the season. Overall would be happy with the change. Davies being a good addition.

I think that Ndyiae would struggle a bit in the PL.
He has great natural balance and is tricky but I think he needs to improve his passing. Quite often he doesn't get his head up. Again its not like for like and if Archer comes in it's to be the main striker playing further forward. We all know that Brewster and McBurnie aren't reliable and Osula and Jebbison are good but raw.

I think we are finally seeing the type of players that we needed for along time. It gives us a chance at staying up and hopefully won't break the bank.

I’m with you Ndyiae would not have the same space in the PL but he would like midfield to attack plus keep possession truth is that we do need an attacking midfield player but I think it’s too late and we’ve got to find a way of playing with what we have this season not last season.

 

[Nagima]

Its crazy how we have started looking at it like this. We have just been promoted, we should have been adding those 3 players on top of what we already had. We cant do much about players wanting to move but financially we should of been spending 35/40m anyway but our net spend is 6m.

This Archer deal will also look like the Prince is being ambitious but its basically a loan if we are relegated and a perm if we stay up. (spending next years money)

As it stands we have spent 6 million. Its a joke.

For a club that was close to going into administration in January and the disastrous transfer dealings of previous years I think we haven't done so bad in this window. If we stay up its going to be right down to the wire. I would rather do that in a prudent way with players who can increase in value or will be able to stay with us to try to get back up. We are where we are and all we can do is hope for the best.

 

[Skiliman]

For a club that was close to going into administration in January and the disastrous transfer dealings of previous years I think we haven't done so bad in this window. If we stay up its going to be right down to the wire. I would rather do that in a prudent way with players who can increase in value or will be able to stay with us to try to get back up. We are where we are and all we can do is hope for the best.

Who caused the bad financial situation? The reason we aren't spending / committing money is because he wants the new owners/buyers to do that. I'm not wanting him to overspend or whatever but we found 3/4m to sign Anel last year? But have less money now? give over. We will sign Archer for 18m but its zero risk as we get our money back if we go down. Add in a couple of loans for the season and we will realistically have spent 10m if we are relegated but 28m (18m of next seasons money) if we stay up.

 

[Deadbat]

No. Ndiaye is a player that comes along once every 20 years to our club. He was like 3 players in 1. I'd swap having Ndiaye back for Souza, Hamer and Archer even if he only stayed till the end of the season. I still think with a few other cheaper, smarter signings than above to compliment Ili we'd have had a better chance of survival. Even with the incoming we have little chance I feel as Ndiaye gave us so much on and off the ball. Archer is a decent signing but he's nowhere near Ndiaye for me.

Granted business sense and longer. COntracts come into it but Archer is effectively the same as Ndiaye if reports are to be believed (a one year deal and then he goes). We might keep him if we stay up but we might have kept Ili if we stayed up.

Surprised everyone are now saying its a great window. I still see us in a far worse place than we were when we went up. Granted we have made some signings of more in Archer and Hamer but you could argue they simply replace McAtee and Berge?

We still need more in the next week to be competitive against most teams and some experience at this level.

 

[coolasanidiot]

No. Ndiaye is a player that comes along once every 20 years to our club. He was like 3 players in 1. I'd swap having Ndiaye back for Souza, Hamer and Archer even if he only stayed till the end of the season. I still think with a few other cheaper, smarter signings than above to compliment Ili we'd have had a better chance of survival. Even with the incoming we have little chance I feel as Ndiaye gave us so much on and off the ball. Archer is a decent signing but he's nowhere near Ndiaye for me.

Granted business sense and longer. COntracts come into it but Archer is effectively the same as Ndiaye if reports are to be believed (a one year deal and then he goes). We might keep him if we stay up but we might have kept Ili if we stayed up.

Surprised everyone are now saying its a great window. I still see us in a far worse place than we were when we went up. Granted we have made some signings of more in Archer and Hamer but you could argue they simply replace McAtee and Berge?

We still need more in the next week to be competitive against most teams and some experience at this level.

100% correct- I've said the same on several threads- he was utterly irraplaceable and that is why giving 18 million on Archer I'm all for. To make Ili and his crackpot agent stay here - I would have given him 10 million up front- he would have soon delayed his boyhood dream. But we get fed snippets of company line bollox.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Everything now hanging on the domestic loans. I see it as a given that we'll get two PL loans in, but who they are will make or break our chances.

 

[Stretch]

Berge for Hamer any day of the week.

But to try and replace Ndiaye, who was himself irreplaceable, we needed:

a ball winner - Souza probably ticks this box, but he won't do it in as many positions as Ndiaye could.

a ball carrier - still waiting

a goal scorer - Archer could be the man.

Even if we fill all three roles, there is still no guarantee that they will do it as well as he could.

All that being said, it could mean that we are less reliant on one player now and could have a more versatile squad when all is said and done.

 

[Nagima]

Who caused the bad financial situation? The reason we aren't spending / committing money is because he wants the new owners/buyers to do that. I'm not wanting him to overspend or whatever but we found 3/4m to sign Anel last year? But have less money now? give over. We will sign Archer for 18m but its zero risk as we get our money back if we go down. Add in a couple of loans for the season and we will realistically have spent 10m if we are relegated but 28m (18m of next seasons money) if we stay up.

The Archer deal looks clever enough to me and reduces our risk. Anel for 3-4 mil was good business until we defaulted on payment.

I was never convinced the Prince was the right fit as owner. I expect he will try to siphon some money our someway. The point I was trying to make is the squad needed a complete overhaul. We have started that process. We still have weak links in both wingback positions that I would like to address, but it probably won't happen.

We won't find out the full story on the past 5 to 6 years until the Prince is gone and people are able to speak. I definitely think that it was blame Wilder for everything from him. I suspect that he interfered you much.

 

[Silent Blade]

No. Ndiaye is a player that comes along once every 20 years to our club. He was like 3 players in 1. I'd swap having Ndiaye back for Souza, Hamer and Archer even if he only stayed till the end of the season. I still think with a few other cheaper, smarter signings than above to compliment Ili we'd have had a better chance of survival. Even with the incoming we have little chance I feel as Ndiaye gave us so much on and off the ball. Archer is a decent signing but he's nowhere near Ndiaye for me.

Granted business sense and longer. COntracts come into it but Archer is effectively the same as Ndiaye if reports are to be believed (a one year deal and then he goes). We might keep him if we stay up but we might have kept Ili if we stayed up.

Surprised everyone are now saying its a great window. I still see us in a far worse place than we were when we went up. Granted we have made some signings of more in Archer and Hamer but you could argue they simply replace McAtee and Berge?

We still need more in the next week to be competitive against most teams and some experience at this level.

I think I will wake up one morning and will no longer pine for Ndiaye just like I did a few weeks after being dumped by a girlfriend that I liked very much. Hope you wont be pining him for too long!

 

[coolasanidiot]

Swapping an Ace and an 8 for three Kings there, so Yes we now have 3 of a kind. But we won't own an ace again for a very long time.

You are obviously in the know more than your average fan. And with this clever statement you loved Ily as much as the rest of us. Given as you say we are never likely in a lifetime to see anyone as god as Ily again- why didn't they offer him a 10 million sweetener to stay?

 

[Rocket Man]

You are obviously in the know more than your average fan. And with this clever statement you loved Ily as much as the rest of us. Given as you say we are never likely in a lifetime to see anyone as god as Ily again- why didn't they offer him a 10 million sweetener to stay?

I think we were always going to be on the losing side of the itch that Ndiaye had in his heart to one day play for his boyhood club. It sounds like he was given a now or never ultimatum. It looks like we did everything possible to make him feel special enough to stay and all our eggs were in that basket but once his heart wasn't with us we looked to spread the risk trading one elite level potential player for 2 or 3 really good ones. Someone like Souza can be less of a maverick superstar like Ndiaye but actually one day be a Caceido with his skillset. Archer again is a touch more explosive with his pace and getting shots off and this could prove to be what we need at Premier League level. The romance of what Ndiaye could have been will never be replicated but Hamer has a chance of scoring as many or more wordie goals for us at Premier League level IMHO so I think we have retrospectively traded well.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I think we were always going to be on the losing side of the itch that Ndiaye had in his heart to one day play for his boyhood club. It sounds like he was given a now or never ultimatum. It looks like we did everything possible to make him feel special enough to stay and all our eggs were in that basket but once his heart wasn't with us we looked to spread the risk trading one elite level potential player for 2 or 3. Someone like Souza can be less of a maverick superstar like Ndiaye but actually one day be a Caceido with his skillset. The romance of what Ndiaye could have been will never be replicated IMHO but Hamer has a chance of scoring as many or more wordie goals for us at Premier League level IMHO so I think we have retrospectively traded well.

Thats a fair enough answer. As a fan that was really hurt by the Ndiaye departure, you always think does the Prince really get it- looking from afar on a TV screen, and although they say we tried everything- did they really try with 10-15 million pounds- I'm not so sure.

 

[Th!stledo]

If the question is if the squad as a whole is stronger since the transfer of Berge and Ndiaye then possibly so. We aren't in a position to replace Ndiaye as an individual but the replacements have possibly given us more strength in depth. We are no longer a one-man team, which can't be a bad thing. Hopefully there is is more to come before the transfer window shuts. UTB !!!

 

[BigBed]

Let's forget Berge now, hes Burnleys problem from now on.

 

[Old Programme seller]

Illy did step up from the season before last perhaps giving him games that season prepared him for last season but the main man 2 seasons ago was MGW and before that Didsy and before that The Bouncing Day slayer so May be it’s a position that a good ball player fits perfectly ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Really depends on the context but I would swap 1 year of Berge and Ndiaye for many years of Archer, Souza, and Hamer.

This. If Berge and Ndiaye had long deals in place I'd prefer them. I'll be following the club longer than this season so ultimately its a no brainer to prefer longer term assets. That said, Ndiaye is the only player I can remember us having that would make me question that methodology. One more season would've been great.

 

[Bladesman]

Ndiaye and Berge for Archer, Hamer and Souza at the start of the season if you had the choice? Tough one as we don't know the relative impacts. But I'm beginning to think we have a chance now.

I have to be honest but I wouldn't have traded Ndiaye for anyone really.

Berge has always been hit and miss in terms of performances and fitness. So to replace him with 2 players in Hamer and Souza seems a decent move.

 

[cooperblade]

Really depends on the context but I would swap 1 year of Berge and Ndiaye for many years of Archer, Souza, and Hamer.

I think how many years we get out of Archer, Souza and Hamer is very dependent on what division we're in next season.

If they perform as well as we hope but we still go down, then I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 were one and done.

We've seen with the reported terms of the Archer deal and the problems that Leeds are having that promoted clubs without huge budgets don't hold many cards when it comes to doing deals.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Because of how insanely brilliant I thought Ndiaye was it has to be a no. Berge I never rated anywhere near as highly as what outsiders seemingly did. If he’d rather play in front of 21k at Burnley then fuck him.

 

[Bell4]

yes

 

[Nick Jansky]

If we are able to bring in either Macatee or Palmer then it’s a big yes from me, we are, overall, significantly stronger.

If neither (or someone of similar quality) come in then I’m borderline but edging towards a yes. Not similar players, but I think Archer’s ceiling is at least as high as Ndiaye’s in terms of goals & assists.

 

[Sheff de party]

I think it’s worth noting that we didn’t really have a choice on Ndiaye. But as asked, yes.

Ndiaye is better than all of them, but I bet they’re all more effective than Berge.

We’ve traded 1 and 5 for 2, 3 and 4. We have three players who improve the first team. I’d have done it.

 

[Thrice]

I'd have swapped Berge for Hamer in a heartbeat. But would rather have gone with what we had upfront and missed out on Souza if that meant keeping Ndiaye.

It's a tough one because Souza and what he brings to the team could become really important this year.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It's a tough one because Souza and what he brings to the team could become really important this year.

Yes, I think he could prove to be our best signing. Even though all of the signings as a collective are crucial. He’s still young, but could develop into a Vieira type once he gets properly to grips with the EPL.

I also think Slimane could add a lot to us as the season progresses.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

NDiaye is the one I would have loved to be here. Berge frustrated me & it got a bit repetitive that he wanted to leave every transfer window

 

[themaninblack]

I know that it’s all about opinions but I’m amazed at the negativity surrounding Berge. I thought he was excellent for us last season and the promotion video shows just how often he was involved in the key moments that won games for us; without him we wouldn’t have gone up.
I only watch the Blades (so I won’t be following his career at Burnley) but I really rated him. Seemed like a model pro, was a crucial cog in a successful team and was apparently well respected by Hecky and the boys; as far as I’m concerned, GLTTL.