Would Monty make the Starting X1 ?

[Fiery Blade]

Looking at the squad Speedo is trying to assemble with his desire to bring in a creative left sided midfielder and all the debate on another post re: Favourite Player
Would 'Fans Favourite' Monty make the Starting X1 if everyone is fit! :bomb:

 

[sheffielder]

Well it's either him or Ertl for me. I would give it to Ertl only because he gives us more height... however let's see what Speedo can do with Monty. Blackwell ruined midfielders; maybe Speedo will make them

 

[Robbie]

I've always said, at home we should be looking to attack teams and bring Monty out of the team. Let them worry about us.
Away from home, I believe Monty should be in every game.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I dont know why this is a constant source of debate. Monty will play if fit.....end of.

He is viewed as one of the most senior members of our squad and regardless of what anyone thinks of him, he is respected at the club. All of the previous managers and this one have liked him. From what I can see he is immune from the selection process and gets in automatically because he's Monty.

You can debate it until your head explodes....it wont change anything. Monty is the first name on the team sheet, or at least after Morgs.

 

[SwissBlade]

Yep if everyone in our current squad was fit Monty would play home and away.

 

[Sensiblade]

Yes, yes he would.
Proven by the fact that every time Morgan isn't playing, Monty gets the Captains armband.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

So its settled then

My comments weren't meant to shoot the thread down. I just think whenever I see 'Monty Debate Threads' they are a bit of a non-topic.

I can understand its because some people dont think he should start games....but thats irrelevant because he always will. Quite obvious.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Yep if everyone in our current squad was fit Monty would play home and away.

You must be having a laugh Swiss!
Ward, Yeates, Williamson, Ertl, Britton, Quinn, Left Sided Winger (Halmosi ?) must all be picked before Montgomery (Quinn perhaps debateable)

 

[Torrix1889]

No, no, no. Monty is everything thats wrong in our midfield, he (and Quinn for that matter) should never get near the starting 11.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

You must be having a laugh Swiss!
Ward, Yeates, Williamson, Ertl, Britton, Quinn, Left Sided Winger (Halmosi ?) must all be picked before Montgomery (Quinn perhaps debateable)

No, no, no. Monty is everything thats wrong in our midfield, he (and Quinn for that matter) should never get near the starting 11.

I think you're missing the point lads. If I'm right in believing Swiss is making the same point as me.....what he's saying is Monty is an automatic starter. Thats the way it is, we're not forming an opinion on Monty....just making an observation if you like.

 

[Robbie]

You must be having a laugh Swiss!

You asked.....

Would 'Fans Favourite' Monty make the Starting X1 if everyone is fit!

Swiss answered......

Yep if everyone in our current squad was fit Monty would play home and away.

SB is not stating 'he' would start Monty, he is stating that Speed would start him home and away, which isn't unthinkinable considering Gary Speeds 2 games in charge have had Monty in the team (one of which he was captain for).

 

[Fiery Blade]

I think you're missing the point lads. If I'm right in believing Swiss is making the same point as me.....what he's saying is Monty is an automatic starter. Thats the way it is, we're not forming an opinion on Monty....just making an observation if you like.

In a midfield of four then who would you think would start: Yeates / Ward (RM) Britton, Ertl, Williamson, Montgomery, Quinn, Halmosi / AN Other (LM)

Monty doesn't look an obvious choice unless Britton is not up to the hype, Willo doesn't regain his form and Speedo fails to sign a left winger!

 

[super_pig]

>No, no, no. Monty is everything thats wrong in our midfield, he (and Quinn for that matter) should never get near the starting 11.
amen. i posted years ago whilst the likes of monty and quinn are the backbone of our midfield we will never get hammered but we wont go anywhere either.. thus far my assertation has been completely vindicated
i can't see why people feel they have to stick up for him. i think it is to do with the british mentality of sticking up for the underdog, which in itself is to be lauded but this guy is on 5 grand a week ffs.. if in your own work situations around the city, you had a member of staff that 'tried hard' and 'would run through a brick wall for the company'.. but was otherwise useless would they keep him on.. actually i'm contradicting myself.. i'm looking at one here right as a type.. lol

 

[SteelCity Blade]

In a midfield of four then who would you think would start: Yeates / Ward (RM) Britton, Ertl, Williamson, Montgomery, Quinn, Halmosi / AN Other (LM)

Monty doesn't look an obvious choice unless Britton is not up to the hype, Willo doesn't regain his form and Speedo fails to sign a left winger!

The midfield dilemma depends entirely on what system we choose to play in a suppose. I'm not saying Monty is an obvious choice. In fact I havent said whether I think he should play or not....my honest stance is that on current form I would play Ertl ahead of him rather than with him.

I'm not saying he's the first name on the team sheet in my mind, but he is in Speed's and in all of the previous managers' seemingly. I'm not attempting to justify Monty's place in the team....I'm meerly stating that he doesnt need it justified because he will start every game - its a historical fact and its there for all to see.

He holds such a standing at the club, that it makes him immune from the selection process. Morgs and Monty are your ever-presents and wont be dropped for any reason other than injury or suspension. I take your point about the other potentially available players and I'm not saying you're wrong but it wont make a blind bit of difference. Monty will get picked.

 

[SwissBlade]

Fiery,

Like Robbie said - you asked my opinion, you got it, you disagree

Reasons why:

1) Monty is always the 1st in line for Captaincy when morgs is out - why? because he can lead. We have nobody else in the SQUAD that can do this.
2) Consistency, reliability, respected by the players are all other great reasons to keep him in.
3) Height, presuming Monty will play alongside Britton, he is better in the air than other central midfield options.
4) Engine - of all the players he has the engine (fitness) on them.
5) Considering Monty plays through the middle, I'll comment on the others which "must be picked before Monty"
Ward - Not a central midfielder, a winger and an inconsistent one at that
Yeates - See Ward
Williamson - Not seen enough of him as he's never been fit for long enough. But potentially could keep Monty out of the attacking midfielder role.
Ertl - Not seen enough of him, but of Monty and Ertl, Monty would be a better choice. Ertl would be a good back up for the 2nd man in the middle if Britton wasn't fit or was off form.
Britton - He'd be my first choice along side Monty, but sits very deep. very good on the ball, but NEEDS a ball winner like Monty or Ertl alongside in a more advanced position
Quinn - Proven to get lost in the middle, too small to be the ball winner in the air, too poor in the tackle, chases the ref instead of his man. Better on the left. But debateable if he's even good enough
Halmosi? - He doesn't play for us, you said current squad.

However, I've said a few times since Preston, we need an attacking ball playing/ shooting midfielder. Unless Britton can become that man, Monty will have to play this role.

The only other option of the current squad who could (possibly) play the advanced/attacking midfielder role is Ched (good touch, vision etc). Perhaps we should give him a go there (but we'd still need a "Monty" behind him to break up play/ win the ball)?

 

[Pinchy]

but we'd still need a "Monty" behind him to break up play/ win the ball)?

Like he did against Hartlepool, QPR and countless others over the years?

The Ploddy myth goes on....

 

[JohnDenver]

Like he did against Hartlepool, QPR and countless others over the years?

The Ploddy myth goes on....

One man's myth is another man's legend.

 

[super_pig]

>still need a "Monty" behind him to break up play/ win the ball
yeah but then he immediately loses it again

 

[SwissBlade]

Like he did against Hartlepool, QPR and countless others over the years?

The Ploddy myth goes on....

He's done the job he's paid to do way more than he's not done it. I don't even know why I've got involved in this discussion on justifying Monty's selection as for me he's one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment.

The Ploddy myth goes on, but its only in yours and the minds of a few

 

[Pinchy]

I wish my 'job' description consisted of a tiny percentage of that for everyone else who does the 'job'. I wish my 'job' description was free from the basic skills required by my chosen profession and simply omitted the many essential functions that I was simply unable to perform because I was completely devoid of aptitude and ability.

Nice work if you can get it!

 

[Sensiblade]

I wish my 'job' description consisted of a tiny percentage of that for everyone else who does the 'job'. I wish my 'job' description was free from the basic skills required by my chosen profession and simply omitted the many essential functions that I was simply unable to perform because I was completely devoid of aptitude and ability.

Nice work if you can get it!

Sound like the job description of a Daily Fail sports reporter

 

[SwissBlade]

I wish my 'job' description consisted of a tiny percentage of that for everyone else who does the 'job'. I wish my 'job' description was free from the basic skills required by my chosen profession and simply omitted the many essential functions that I was simply unable to perform because I was completely devoid of aptitude and ability.

Nice work if you can get it!

I presume that you were talking to Gilders Audi Service department today as well?

Have you even got a job description, every audit I have done people have either not got a job description or don't know what it means

 

[shorehamview]

Why not? I can't believe that there are cries to pick Halmosi ahead of Monty, a player who last time I looked didn't even play for Sheffield United. Mind you on the basis that it doesn't matter if they are a Blades player or not, no, don't pick Monty. Pick Messi or Ronaldo, or maybe Pele fancies a game. Is Hot-Shot Hamish available, or Roy Race?

 

[shorehamview]

I wish my 'job' description consisted of a tiny percentage of that for everyone else who does the 'job'. I wish my 'job' description was free from the basic skills required by my chosen profession and simply omitted the many essential functions that I was simply unable to perform because I was completely devoid of aptitude and ability.

Nice work if you can get it!

Alternatively perhaps your job involves doing what your boss asks or even tells you to do. Given that Monty is still getting picked by a succession of Sheffield United managers he must be doing the job that is asked of him.

 

[super_pig]

>Given that Monty is still getting picked by a succession of Sheffield United managers he must be doing the job that is asked of him.
which just goes to show what the general culture of the club is.. batter and bully other people to death.. don't play football.. personally i'd like to see a game of football.. i seem to be in a dwindling minority

 

[parisblade]

Interesting point made by Morgan at the forum last night "Monty can't do what Britts does and Britts can't do what Monty does". I think Monty does what he gets paid for extremely well, it's his partners in midfield that haven't been doing their jobs from what I've seen.

 

[Linz]

Interesting point made by Morgan at the forum last night "Monty can't do what Britts does and Britts can't do what Monty does". I think Monty does what he gets paid for extremely well, it's his partners in midfield that haven't been doing their jobs from what I've seen.

I'll sort the mp3 out later for those who missed it. I'm hoping the audio is good enough so you can actually hear what Morgs said about him

 

[davidpinder]

No no and no Monty couldn't pass wind, hopefully were not playing hoofball now so we need players who can pass it.

 

[Pinchy]

I'll sort the mp3 out later for those who missed it. I'm hoping the audio is good enough so you can actually hear what Morgs said about him

That's very kind but Chris Morgan is not the final arbiter of footballing talent. I've seen a great deal more football than him. Frankly, he's bound to speak well of his colleagues in public as is GS of his players. It is the professional thing to do and happens in all professions. Lets not be too naive.

I repeat: If Monty is in our team in 12 months time we shall not have progressed and GS will be well on his way to his first managerial failure; the football will be turgid and played out in front of about 15,000, all of which will be a great shame.

Feel free to cut and paste.

 

[Foxy]

I repeat: If Monty is in our team in 12 months time we shall not have progressed and GS will be well on his way to his first managerial failure; the football will be turgid and played out in front of about 15,000, all of which will be a great shame.

Feel free to cut and paste.

Just out of interest, did you say the same thing 12 months before we progressed to the Premiership with Monty in the team?

I'm not suggesting he's the sole man to drive us to the Premier League, but many people were of the opinion we'd never be promoted with Monty in the team and Warnock as manager.