With McCall and Robison saying no...

[Worksop_Blade]

winter, mccabe et al obviously think its easy to get us promoted with no players and no money, so maybe they should all be joint managers? it would at least make them realise how utterly out of touch with reality they all are.

Simon McCabe was signing players last season for Wilson so don't joke, this could be closer to the truth than you think!

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Agree with everything but number 2. Motherwell & MK Dons can only dream of our level of support. Averaging over 18k given the shite we endured last season was awesome. Very few clubs could match that in the same circumstances.

Will that 18,000 still be there though next season?

Remember when Heath had a bash at managing and the crowds dropped to 9000? Unitedites aren't stupid and realise quicker than those over at S6 that there's better things to spend money on than watching a football team out do themselves at being shite.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Simon McCabe was signing players last season for Wilson so don't joke, this could be closer to the truth than you think!

well its probably more sensible than other people suggesting the dead guy who wrote the breakfast club should be interviewed!

 

[DeepcarBlade]

Would many Blades fans be happy to see John Carver return?

I know he lost 2 of his 3 games in charge, but he did have very little to work with. Also, one of those 2 losses was at Norwich where we were extremely unlucky (cheated).

 

[Pinchy]

Would many Blades fans be happy to see John Carver return?

I very much doubt it. This one doesn't want to see anyone return and sincerely wishes that other Blades were capable of thinking beyond Sheffield 2.

 

[bartman]

For all the bollocks they comes out with regards restructuring and being a League One club, I reckon the club still have grand ideas about the stature of Sheffield United and the fact that both KR and SMcC have both turned down the job may have surprised Winter and his cronies..

If you look at it seriously and without the red and white speks on, the club currently has:

1. NO money for transfers or wages.
2. Ever decreasing attendances
3. A very demoralised fan base
4. A squad full of high wage earners over 30 with no real ability and no way to move them on
5. An owner who has given up
6. A football club board that is actively trying to shrink the club but demanding promotion at the same time.
7. No back room staff apart from Chris Morgan who must be involved next season because the owner made a promise to him.

Would you leave another job for that? The only candidates are going to be those who are currently unemployed or Chris Morgan.

I hope the board read the forums as it clear as day that if Morgan is appointed then the gates will drop to season ticket holders only and the walk up numbers will dissapear. It would be even worse if the club did season ticket refunds, but for some reason they don't.

I saw on here someone ask what the odds are on Sheffield United being the first "big" club to go bust or end up in the conference, I too would like the odds on that as I think a £10 might be worth it.

A few points to raise on this

1. How do you know KR has turned us down? No statement from him,his agent or MK Dons. Just comments on twitter.

2.Of course we have money for wages. We wouldn't have a club otherwise and we will be in the top 5 for wages next season As for transfer funds? I suspect only the relegated clubs and possibly The Millers or the Gills might spend some money.There are no big transfer fees in L1 normally.

3.Totally agree, All the fault of the owner but who will buy the club? I still can't see McCabe taking a cut on his debt despite him now having security of the land (i cannot understand why this question wasn't asked at the nHandsworth forum)

4. Higginbotton,Robson and Kitson are now gone all of whom would be in the top earners bracket. Plus LJF and Coyne will go. Don't forget that the amount we spend on turnover needs to reduce by 5% this season so unless we get decent sponsorship,we need to expect Kmac and possibly McMahon to leave to ive us some flexibility

5. I don't think the owner has given up,I just don't think he has a clue what to do.

6. We have to shrink the club. We are in L1

7. Clearing the backroom staff is right,it gives the new manager more flexibility to bring in his own staff. He can't let Morgan go in case no one else wants the manager's job ?

8. What is this promise that has been made to Morgan ? Do you know something we don't. If Morgan is under contract we won't sack him as we won't be able to afford the compensation unless the new manager is prepared to take a cut in his budget. Surely that is obvious.

9. According to a lady in the ticket office I spoke to on Thursday, we are about 1,000 behind this time last year. Remarkabe loyalty from the fans considering what has been happening to the club.

10. The board will not read these forums or any other ones in my opinion. If I was in charge I wouldn't.

11. We owe money to one person. Unless McCabe goes bust,we won't. However,the fact he has seperated the football club and left them with no assets means that should he go bust we we go into admin,we should be quite cheap to buy. However,I don't think he is anywhere near going bust but he will only subsiduise to a bare minimum. Expect more cost cutting

12. We are not a big club as far as the football world in this country is concerned. We need to wipe the slate clean at the club,try and find a new owner and start aain hopefully without getting related.

Whoever the new manager is next season needs to be given patience and time whoever it is. It might be someone none of us are keen on but the decision may be inspired.I don't think the club has grand ideas about the club anymore which is why they are trying to re-structure. Unfortunately,McCall appears to not have the heart to start the process. We wants a manager who will grasp the job and deal with the issues and not moan about his hands been tied.

If we finish in the top six next season i will be pleasantly surprised

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Doyle, Hill, Williams, Porter and Collins are all players devoid any thing close to talent and sorry for my lack of research but they all play like their beyond 30. Plus I bet they are 5 of the top 7 earners at the club easy.

We might be in the top 5 for wages but we will have the same set of wank players as this year due to the fact the club gave long high contracts to the above players, knowing full well they will never be able to be moved on.

You have to wonder where does the cost cutting end though? And what state will the club be in then and more importantly what division?

 

[metty]

There's all this talk about how Robinson and McCall have turned us down but how do we know they were offered the job in the 1st place. Both have reportedly said that they would not be leaving their respective clubs but that's all. For all we know, they might have had shit interviews and Dave Bassett and the others might have said thanks but no thanks. I suppose we'll never know.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

hill and collins are ok. mistakes the defence makes get magnified due to the fact we couldnt score in a brothel. you cant expect to have a back 4 in league 1 that never make a mistake.

ok hill isnt much use going forward, but if we had a midfield and some strikers who could move and shoot we wouldnt need him to be. no way hill will be on big money, we signed him off the dole. if were looking to replace players, i dont think the defence is where we should be looking. especially if maguire goes.

 

[BladeFisher]

its more the question of why did he turn us down. no hes not fergie or wenger, which makes it even worse. if mccall turns us down, and robinson presumably turned us down too, then just who the hell will take the job? we arent taking our time to get the right man, were taking our time cos every time we think weve found the right man they listen to what weve got (or not got) to offer and tell us to get fecked!

They've turned us down because of the awful financial situation we are in. They would have no one to buy.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Simon McCabe was signing players last season for Wilson so don't joke, this could be closer to the truth than you think!

1 Who's your source because if it's true it's disgraceful as
2 Simon McCabe couldn't spot a footballer if one walked up to him with a neon sign around his neck saying 'footballer' and kicked him in the bollocks. The signings made couldn't have been any worse if my mother had been let loose.

Just because you've got so much money tied up in the club doesn't mean you should run it.
Butt out and leave it to the pro's you employ.

 

[norfolkblade]

Would many Blades fans be happy to see John Carver return?

I know he lost 2 of his 3 games in charge, but he did have very little to work with. Also, one of those 2 losses was at Norwich where we were extremely unlucky (cheated).

I personally wanted him to get the job full time but we instead gave it to the master that was Micky Adams *shudder*

I really don't know what to think from here, it's clear we won't pay compensation so I think even my hopes of getting Steve Davis from Crewe are at the square root of bugger all

 

[BladeFisher]

Agree with everything but number 2. Motherwell & MK Dons can only dream of our level of support. Averaging over 18k given the shite we endured last season was awesome. Very few clubs could match that in the same circumstances.

But if you have got no money to bring any players in.. You have to sell your best players. Would you work for a company that tied you up before you started?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

McCall refused, meaning he must likely have been told there`s no money, we expect immediate promotion, none of the players are any good, and none want to stay. Morgan it is then.

 

[Guesty]

When I left the country a few days ago everyone was tripping over themselves to say what a great step up we'd be for McCall and Robinson and how they'd never turn us down in a million years. I come back and quelle suprise they've both told us to fuck right off. I just wonder quite who some Blades think we are? We're a League 1 club in dire straits with one thing, just one, over our rivals - our attendance. As last year showed, that counts for little more than nothing.

Similarly everyone and his dog has suggested we try and sign Luke bloody Murphy, linked lately with Aston Villa and Swansea. Does he not know we're Sheffield fucking United and what a massive opportunity we represent? Christ.

 

[bartman]

Doyle, Hill, Williams, Porter and Collins are all players devoid any thing close to talent and sorry for my lack of research but they all play like their beyond 30. Plus I bet they are 5 of the top 7 earners at the club easy.

We might be in the top 5 for wages but we will have the same set of wank players as this year due to the fact the club gave long high contracts to the above players, knowing full well they will never be able to be moved on.

You have to wonder where does the cost cutting end though? And what state will the club be in then and more importantly what division?

Hill and Collins were two of our better players last season in a very good defence. We must keep these especially if Harry leaves.

Porter has one year left on a contract as do McMahon,Williams,Westlake,Hill,Flynn,Howard,KMac and Miller and I would be surprised if any of these(except McMahon) were in the top 5 wages at the end of last seasosn.Doyle took a pay cut in return for an extended contract although it wouldn't be a loss if he and McDonald left in my opinion.

With the back 5,Macfadzean,Murphy and Miller we have the basis of a good team. The release of the 'oldies' on short term contracts plus LJF should give us flexibility on wages but ,unless we sell,we will have no for transfer fees. With al ot of players out of contract at the end of next season,if we survive the next 12 months,we should end up in a better shape wages wise in July 2014. (fingers crossed)

As long as we are in L1,the cost cutting will continue each seasosn I'm afraid

 

[Latters]

I cannot believe I have read people saying they'd be happy for us to let McDonald go. He is our best player. He's probably the best FOOTBALLER in the division, yet our fans would see him leave because he doesn't run through brick walls.

We'd replace him with somebody with about a fifth of his ability and once again it would just contribute to the perpetual degradation in the quality of our squad. I'm baffled, I really am.

Build a team that can play football properly. We can't do that by selling our only footballer.

Anybody saying they'd be happy for McDonald to go should look at the Monty and Doyle combo we had to endure, because that's the type of shit we'd be looking at again. Either that or we'd stick Robson in the middle, who plays like McD might do in about 20 years when his legs and back have gone.

 

[metalblade]

Hill and Collins were two of our better players last season in a very good defence. We must keep these especially if Harry leaves.

Porter has one year left on a contract as do McMahon,Williams,Westlake,Hill,Flynn,Howard,KMac and Miller and I would be surprised if any of these(except McMahon) were in the top 5 wages at the end of last seasosn.Doyle took a pay cut in return for an extended contract although it wouldn't be a loss if he and McDonald left in my opinion.

With the back 5,Macfadzean,Murphy and Miller we have the basis of a good team. The release of the 'oldies' on short term contracts plus LJF should give us flexibility on wages but ,unless we sell,we will have no for transfer fees. With al ot of players out of contract at the end of next season,if we survive the next 12 months,we should end up in a better shape wages wise in July 2014. (fingers crossed)

As long as we are in L1,the cost cutting will continue each seasosn I'm afraid

We can still pay 60% of our turn over which will still be a figure only Wolves can realistically better so I don't really see how the club can spin the 5% reduction for next season into millions need to be trimmed off the wage bill, it just does not add up ...................... Unless McCabe will be taking a large sum every month in ground rent to service the debt he has run up which through his shady manoeuvring is owed to himself. I'll bet the 5% reduction needed will be more than covered by the loss of Kitson let alone Robson and Higginbottom. Sorry McCabe it just does not add up ............
Big Blade my arse !!

 

[Kev Gee]

Looks like we will end up with Morgan.

FFS.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

Being cynical (and as Blades aren't most of us these days?) is that McCabe has given up on getting his money back via the footballing route, we are too far behind to ever catch up and the gap gets wider every season.

With the way he's split the club and the ground, and indeed the way he is developing the ground, what I believe he wants to do is make the Lane into a mini complex of apartments and shops, its prime real estate and would attract a lot of interest, if he does this I believe he will sell of the United name to some no-mark who will try and run us out of a redeveloped woodbourne road stadium, playing in League two with a capacity of 8k, which will suit us, as by then then many fans will have lost interest there will be barely a whisper of protest.

He's turned off the tap (the one that his mistakes led to flooding in the first place) our only real hope as a club is if whoever (Morgan) he appoints as our next sitting duck, somehow manages a miracle of Bassett like proportions.

Sorry for the negativity, but I can't see it being any other way

 

[bartman]

I cannot believe I have read people saying they'd be happy for us to let McDonald go. He is our best player. He's probably the best FOOTBALLER in the division, yet our fans would see him leave because he doesn't run through brick walls.

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and you could count the number of good games he had for us last season on the fingers of one hand.

He is excellent at hiding in games, passing sideways and picking up balls in our own half. It says it all when fans are shock when he runs forward with the ball.

He has all the attributes to be a decent footballer,but he doesn't show the commitment or passion to actually do it. When the going gets tough, he goes missing.

He doesn't create goals or score.

There is a reason Burnley let him go and we saw it last season. We would have been better offering more to Wiulliamson than keeping KMac on.

 

[Latters]

and you could count the number of good games he had for us last season on the fingers of one hand.

He is excellent at hiding in games, passing sideways and picking up balls in our own half. It says it all when fans are shock when he runs forward with the ball.

He has all the attributes to be a decent footballer,but he doesn't show the commitment or passion to actually do it. When the going gets tough, he goes missing.

He doesn't create goals or score.

There is a reason Burnley let him go and we saw it last season. We would have been better offering more to Wiulliamson than keeping KMac on.

I disagree. Even in his "bad" games, it was still clear for most to see (or it should be) that he is our best player. Every time he makes a pass, of which most find their man, he moves into space and is ready to take it back. We don't have many other players willing or able to do this.

I went to every home game last season and regularly saw him carry the ball forward. Most other players in our division wouldn't even realise some of the passes he makes are on, let alone execute them successfully. Get a proper striker in the side, or a midfielder, or full-backs who will make runs into space and he'll excel. In an ideal world, our ball winning midfielder would pass the ball to him, then he'd have some players (Ched, Williamson, Quinn and Lowton?) making a run, looking to receive the ball. Instead he's had McMahon and Hill at full back, who don't cross the half way line, Murphy who isn't a winger and Kitson up front, who is better at receiving the ball in the air.

Then you have the argument "oh, if he was that good, he'd be able to do it all himself, he wouldn't need to rely on players around him" but I can't see even the likes of Beckham or Pirlo looking much cop if they had nobody to cross or pass to. I'm not saying he's in the same league, but he needs people to make intelligent runs and want the ball, just like they do.

I just think that because he doesn't look like he's trying very hard, people assume he must be having a bad game rather than looking at the fact that we keep possession about 98% of the time he gets the ball.

Burley got rid of him because he pissed off to the pub mid game after being substituted against Man City, did they not? Nothing to do with ability. If he leaves us it will be for a higher placed club, because people who are looking for more than "blood and guts passion" can see he's good enough.

A friend and I were discussing and agreed that in our current squad of fit players, McDonald is the only one worth paying to watch, because he actually has footballing ability.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Looks like we will end up with Morgan.

FFS.

Morgan slipped to 14/1 on Betvictor, not looking good for him.

 

[Flakey]

Feeling thoroughly depressed at the fact that various pro managers would either rather stay where they are or on the dole, I can't imagine what the young lads are making of all this.

I for one, if I were Maguire or Long et al would be sending out my business cards to all the Prem and Champ and even L1 and L2 teams because this ship is sinking fast.

Unless our Nigerian friend or some Colombian drug dealer can come up with some money soon, we're bu**ered.

 

[bartman]

I disagree. Even in his "bad" games, it was still clear for most to see (or it should be) that he is our best player. Every time he makes a pass, of which most find their man, he moves into space and is ready to take it back. We don't have many other players willing or able to do this.

I went to every home game last season and regularly saw him carry the ball forward. Most other players in our division wouldn't even realise some of the passes he makes are on, let alone execute them successfully. Get a proper striker in the side, or a midfielder, or full-backs who will make runs into space and he'll excel. In an ideal world, our ball winning midfielder would pass the ball to him, then he'd have some players (Ched, Williamson, Quinn and Lowton?) making a run, looking to receive the ball. Instead he's had McMahon and Hill at full back, who don't cross the half way line, Murphy who isn't a winger and Kitson up front, who is better at receiving the ball in the air.

Then you have the argument "oh, if he was that good, he'd be able to do it all himself, he wouldn't need to rely on players around him" but I can't see even the likes of Beckham or Pirlo looking much cop if they had nobody to cross or pass to. I'm not saying he's in the same league, but he needs people to make intelligent runs and want the ball, just like they do.

I just think that because he doesn't look like he's trying very hard, people assume he must be having a bad game rather than looking at the fact that we keep possession about 98% of the time he gets the ball.

Burley got rid of him because he pissed off to the pub mid game after being substituted against Man City, did they not? Nothing to do with ability. If he leaves us it will be for a higher placed club, because people who are looking for more than "blood and guts passion" can see he's good enough.

A friend and I were discussing and agreed that in our current squad of fit players, McDonald is the only one worth paying to watch, because he actually has footballing ability.

I don't know where the 'I went to every home game' comes into it ? There are many on this forum who will have gone to nearly every game home and away but it doesn't mean their opinion is any less worth while

The player you describe is not the one that played for us and he and Doyle, for me, were the main reasons why we were so poor last season.

A player of his size, stature and potential ability should be box to box, making tackles, trying to score and create chances. He very rarely shoots (and that includes his first season with us) and rarely gets in the opposition box (again both seasons with us).

It is not about 'blood and passion' it is about a player who should influence games on a regular basis but doesn't and he doesn't take the responsibility as a central midfield player should do. He takes the easy option and lets other players (of arguably less potential ability) try and make the 'game changing' decision. He is a luxury (and wage) we cannot afford at this level. For me,Williamson was a better all round player than him which has been shown be the lack of goals from midfield last season.

Burnley got rid of him because they didn't think he was good enough which may have included his attitude. Funny how teams didn't appear to be queuing up for him during the close season ?

 

[Latters]

I don't know where the 'I went to every home game' comes into it ? There are many on this forum who will have gone to nearly every game home and away but it doesn't mean their opinion is any less worth while

The player you describe is not the one that played for us and he and Doyle, for me, were the main reasons why we were so poor last season.

A player of his size, stature and potential ability should be box to box, making tackles, trying to score and create chances. He very rarely shoots (and that includes his first season with us) and rarely gets in the opposition box (again both seasons with us).

It is not about 'blood and passion' it is about a player who should influence games on a regular basis but doesn't and he doesn't take the responsibility as a central midfield player should do. He takes the easy option and lets other players (of arguably less potential ability) try and make the 'game changing' decision. He is a luxury (and wage) we cannot afford at this level. For me,Williamson was a better all round player than him which has been shown be the lack of goals from midfield last season.

Burnley got rid of him because they didn't think he was good enough which may have included his attitude. Funny how teams didn't appear to be queuing up for him during the close season ?

The sentence didn't stop at "I went to every home game last season." I said "I went to every home game last season and regularly saw him carry the ball forward." I never said it made my opinion more worthwhile, I was simply stating where I got my opinion from, actually seeing him do the things you were claiming he didn't do. I don't know whether you go to games or not, so I wasn't saying "I go to games so I'm right". People see different things at matches. As I mentioned, he's one of the only ones I'm happy to pay to watch, so usually pay particular attention, and he does things with the ball in most games I see that none of our other players could.

Williamson was a different player to McDonald. He was more agile due to a lower centre of gravity, and his shooting was better, but his passing and vision weren't as good. Rather than focussing on comparing the two, though, I would look at how they actually complemented each other very well. Rather than an either/or, they worked well as part of the team. Williamson would find space, then McD would find Williamson with a pass. Williamson could then get a shot off. McDonald didn't have those kind of options available this season. This was the reason we were so poor this year. We had a poor squad in terms of its attacking threat (or lack of).

He isn't a box to box player. He isn't fit enough to be one and he doesn't score as many as he should, but if we play good football, on the ground, there's nobody better that we could expect to get at this level.

For once we have a player, still with plenty of years left in him, with ability and vision that we could and should build a good team around. To sell him / let him go before we even try to do that would, in my view, be wasteful.

 

[bartman]

He isn't a box to box player. He isn't fit enough to be one and he doesn't score as many as he should,

and for me,this is one of the main issues with him. In this league,we need to find someone who fits these three qualities

 

[Bladesway]

. Would you work for a company that tied you up before you started?

Theres at least one forum member who would consider that a perk of the job.

 

[Latters]

and for me,this is one of the main issues with him. In this league,we need to find someone who fits these three qualities

I agree we do, but as well as, rather than instead of.

I don't think we're going to agree here, are we?

 

[davidpinder]

Morgan slipped to 14/1 on Betvictor, not looking good for him.

Not according to this http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/sheff-utd/next-permanent-manager

morgan will be appointed our next manager as the other 2 they wanted before him have turned us down, now we need to accept it and move on.