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This is Wilsons team. One of the biggest wage budgets in league 1.
Its time for action. If we end up in the play offs then weve had it.
 



Highbury_Blade said:
I BLAME THIS BITCH!!!!!

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No mate she was someone who had balls and could motivate and inspire. Left to all the other wet bastards the bloody Argies would be ensconced in the Falklands, we would be part of the sodding Euro, our industrial relations would have made the 70's look like a picnic and we really would be a laughing stock. The right person at the right time and she went at the right time too.

Blair and Brown were arses by comparison and we are in a sodding mess because of it. Mind I don't think she is the greatest team player but a legend of a leader.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
We are in the position of challenging for the play offs because of DW and the team he is putting together.
On the other hand, a couple of years ago, we had four different managers in one season, and that was the most successful season in recent history. Wasn't it?
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Sorry, TD but the time for such pedantry is long gone. Firstly, DW did NOT get us into a play-off position last season. (I know you didn't say he did, but his ever-dwindling band of supporters keep clinging to that myth). We had a once-in-a-generation scorer who put us there. Secondly, we were in the position of challenging for the play-offs. Make no mistake, mid-table at best this season.
And sarcasm about the time we had four equally-useless managers doesn't help.

The main problem about Wilson is his utter failure to fire the team up. Today was even worse than previous examples. We amble down the tunnel at the start, while Yeovil go into a huddle. Small things, but who do you think are showing more commitment?

Most home games this season, we're lucky if we test their goalie once in the first 45 minutes. Today, I left on the hour and we still hadn't had a shot on target. At home. To Yeovil. While the opposition manager is bawling and shouting, DW stands there like a tailors dummy.

I knew we'd had it within 5 minutes of the second half starting. After the utter ineptness of the first half, you'd have thought at least Wilson would have torn into them and they come flying out to resume. Wilson hasn't got it in him.

Comparisons with previous crap managers don't let Wilson off the hook. His record was poor when he came and we can now see why.
 
grafikhaus said:
The main problem about Wilson is his utter failure to fire the team up. Today was even worse than previous examples. We amble down the tunnel at the start, while Yeovil go into a huddle. Small things, but who do you think are showing more commitment?.
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Hit the nail on the head there Grafikhaus.
 
Absolute disgrace today. As bad as anything under Adams, Blackwell, Robson, Heath etc. Hartlepool was shite but this, incredibly, was even worse. No quality, no effort. Second best for the entire match. Higginbottom apart not a single player was fit to wear the shirt. Our wage bill is probably 4 or 5 times theirs - the players are taking the p!ss and Wilson needs to sort it. We've been poor at home most of the season but the last two matches have been unacceptable.
 
Deleted Member said:
post: 465792, member: 875"]It's more than a bad spell. If you'd seen it today you would know exactly where I'm coming from.

It's not just a bad spell, it's more than that, and make no excuses, this is Wilsons team and they quite clearly aren't good enough. Huddersfield and Wednesday didn't do too badly after sacking their managers last season did they?
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You base your argument on the above, but then I find that you only saw two thirds of the game yourself. Thought it was suspect that you started this thread midway through the 2nd half, but gave you the benefit of the doubt...

Swinging like the wind & mocking Long
 
I blame property speculators. Those with football grounds, and those living in local authority housing while renting out private property. ;)
 
the thing with danny is, he doesnt like taking chances. his plan is to keep every game tight and scrape a 1-0. whilst we were doing that, it was hard to fault him. he's obviously under pressure to get us up, so doesnt want to cock it up. but now were losing to shite teams every week, its looking less good. if we arent good enough, we may as well just bung more youngsters in and attack with reckless abandon. treat this season as a learning experience. it all depends on how you see it. if we decide to pretty much throw in the towel, he probably isn't the right man for the job. theres not much to gain from staying on this safe route if we end up halfway down the league anyway.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what are we going to DO about it? We need to get back in that car park, it's the only way we'll get any real change.
 
I knew we'd had it within 5 minutes of the second half starting. After the utter ineptness of the first half, you'd have thought at least Wilson would have torn into them and they come flying out to resume. Wilson hasn't got it in him.
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Very good point. OK we don't have the personnel to change things to any great degree but doing something, anything at half time would surely have seen us come out with more fire in our bellies second half or at least a tactical change to improve things.

All getting a bit worrying this, we're scraping results, we're looking vulnerable against shite teams and we still don't have a replacement for Ched. Surely we can't fuck it up again can we?

Edit: Danny Wilson was a dour one dimensional player. He comes across as that kind of bloke and unfortunately in the main the teams he puts out only serve to mirror his persona.
 
Small Mendonca said:
Hit the nail on the head there Grafikhaus.
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Well give us a 'like' then! :)

SwissBlade said:
You base your argument on the above, but then I find that you only saw two thirds of the game yourself. Thought it was suspect that you started this thread midway through the 2nd half, but gave you the benefit of the doubt...
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Swiss, you address that to brownie but, trust me, I thought I did well lasting for 60 minutes but that doesn't disallow me from commenting on what I saw. (in fact, I left the SS via Bramall Lane at about 4.20 and there we about 20 people drinking beer and watching it on the screens - it was that bad.)

Hartlepool is where reality finally caught up with us. Imagine Yeovil's manager in his pre-match talk? 'Fuck me, lads! Hartlepool won here the other week. Get out there and do the same!'

The Crewe, Stevenage and Pompey games were entertaining. Today was dross on an entirely different level.
 
grafikhaus
1. Wilson managed to get the best out of Ched that several other managers (4/5 previous have failed to)
2. It wasnt wilsons fault that Ched got sent down. But he had a replacement that did not hit form and got an injury I the game he needed to come good (Hoskins)
3. Wilsons pitch side manner. Funny how this now is Danny's failing. When the results were good (90% of the time at a guess) this never gets a mention. In fact this was praised when he came in as many don't want a ranter and raver.
4. Huddles. If they were so good then we would do it. Some teams do things that work for a while then change when things don't go so well. I've played in teams that did pre match huddles, it may look I'm impressive, but they are forgotten within 10 seconds by the players
5. Wilsons record. One of the best win ratios of any manager we've had. Very effective. Have you had a look how his managerial record has changed now? Or are you still looking pre sheff utd?
6. Creativity. Your one decent point.
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
the thing with danny is, he doesnt like taking chances. his plan is to keep every game tight and scrape a 1-0. whilst we were doing that, it was hard to fault him. he's obviously under pressure to get us up, so doesnt want to cock it up. but now were losing to shite teams every week, its looking less good. if we arent good enough, we may as well just bung more youngsters in and attack with reckless abandon. treat this season as a learning experience. it all depends on how you see it. if we decide to pretty much throw in the towel, he probably isn't the right man for the job. theres not much to gain from staying on this safe route if we end up halfway down the league anyway.
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Some good points there KMcN. Trouble is, can you see an incredible 20k + turning up next season in the Third? Some huge decisions coming up for McCabe. While the current managerial merry-go-round seems crazy, the stakes are too high to just sit there and do nothing.
 



grafikhaus said:
Swiss, you address that to brownie but, trust me, I thought I did well lasting for 60 minutes but that doesn't disallow me from commenting on what I saw. (in fact, I left the SS via Bramall Lane at about 4.20 and there we about 20 people drinking beer and watching it on the screens
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The point I was making to brownie was that he made an issue of defending his argument in a Vietnam veteran style "you wouldn't know man, you weren't there" but he actually didnt see it all. Sure he and you saw more than me today. But then again I was at the awful Hartlepool game, so I know we're having a crap spell.

Don't read anything into seeing people drinking on the concourse at 1620, this happens most games.
 
SwissBlade said:
grafikhaus
1. Wilson managed to get the best out of Ched that several other managers (4/5 previous have failed to) No he didn't, most strikers have a purple patch, Ched's just happened whil he was with us.
2. It wasnt wilsons fault that Ched got sent down. But he had a replacement that did not hit form and got an injury I the game he needed to come good (Hoskins) It wasn't Wilsons fault and you couldn't replace a player on the form Ched was on.
3. Wilsons pitch side manner. Funny how this now is Danny's failing. When the results were good (90% of the time at a guess) this never gets a mention. In fact this was praised when he came in as many don't want a ranter and raver. Wilson looks like Robson on the sideleine.
4. Huddles. If they were so good then we would do it. Some teams do things that work for a while then change when things don't go so well. I've played in teams that did pre match huddles, it may look I'm impressive, but they are forgotten within 10 seconds by the players Why does it not suprise me that you played in teams involving pre-match huddles?
5. Wilsons record. One of the best win ratios of any manager we've had. Very effective. Have you had a look how his managerial record has changed now? Or are you still looking pre sheff utd? He failed to get us promoted from an almost unassailable position last year, this year looks like following the same path. Recrds are about the past, we need to be looking ahead.
6. Creativity. Your one decent point.
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Didn't read the original post so can't comment on this one.
 
Main problem - who replaces him? We all thought mid-table, play-offs at best this season anyway. People saying we 'should' walk the league based only on stature etc and all this kind of thing. We were doing well, then injuries to 2 starting 11 one game, then another of the starting 11 a few games later, and as people have said young goalies will make mistakes. Losing Matt Hill for me is a big loss, I know he isn't tactically great but I feel he always one of our most committed, whole-hearted players. Mixture of bad luck and a false dawn (we haven't played well, consistently, all season, despite lead up to the new year) leaves us right where we thought we would be. Still depressing as hell but we've been expecting it a long time.
 
ya know reading the comments im starting to turn more to the feeling mccabe needs to sack him. shortly before putting someone in charge who actually understands football who can find a proper manager, and getting himself and his cronies as far away from bdtbl as possible. jupiter would be a good start. weve all been sucked into this "oh its all gone shite but we dont wanna upset kev in case he takes his ball back" mentality. right now, we may as well just go bankrupt and start again. the club no longer feels it has anything to do with the fans. mccabe has fucked up the ground, and the club. i feel like saying ok just keep it, build a big fucking tescos on the pitch and we'll all go and start our own club. if wilson gets the sack we'll only get someone even worse, and not let him sign any players, so just what is the point anymore? the board have no passion, no direction, no plan, no clue. why should the manager or players be any different?
 
SwissBlade said:
grafikhaus
1. Wilson managed to get the best out of Ched that several other managers (4/5 previous have failed to)

If it was down to Danny, I'll give you that.

2. It wasnt wilsons fault that Ched got sent down. But he had a replacement that did not hit form and got an injury I the game he needed to come good (Hoskins)

True, Danny was not the (bent) judge who sent Ched down, but my point is it was Ched more than anything or anybody who nearly got us promoted last season. Whether that is down to DW getting the best out of him is unknown. All I know is, most managers are crap - relying on the law of averages to keep them in a job, and even the worst gambler gets the odd lucky streak.

3. Wilsons pitch side manner. Funny how this now is Danny's failing. When the results were good (90% of the time at a guess) this never gets a mention. In fact this was praised when he came in as many don't want a ranter and raver.

Warnock was a ranter and it definitely communicated itself to the players. While 'ranting' is no guarantee of success (Martin O'Neill looks ridiculous with his poncy prancing), I would definitely say that an animated manager is better than a tailor's dummy. It shows passion. It shows he wants to win. You might as well argue that a passive crowd is as effective as one that shows passion. At this level, where skill is woefully lacking, effort by players and managers is the minimum requirement.

4. Huddles. If they were so good then we would do it. Some teams do things that work for a while then change when things don't go so well. I've played in teams that did pre match huddles, it may look I'm impressive, but they are forgotten within 10 seconds by the players.

As I said, a minor point. But add together the committment, passion, belief, preparedness (I reckon you can tell who is 'up for it' by watching most pre-match routines) and it totals EFFORT, surely enough at this level? You may as well argue that players acknowledging or failing to acknowledge the travelling fans doesn't matter. But it does to those who've made the effort.

5. Wilsons record. One of the best win ratios of any manager we've had. Very effective. Have you had a look how his managerial record has changed now? Or are you still looking pre sheff utd?

Ditto Blackwell. One of the best points-per-games ratios in recent years. Trouble was, the football was dire and it couldn't, and didn't count when it mattered.

6. Creativity. Your one decent point.

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Swiss, you've more or less said that people (brownie) leaving early means they can't comment on the match. I don't know if you were there or not, it doesn't affect whether you can give your opinions. All I know is today was an absolute disgrace even by this seasons standards.
 



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