Wilson in last chance saloon?

[grafikhaus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21338533

Another case where the fans could have done a better job picking the manager, guess most would have stuck with what they had and binned the chairman!

Absolutely right, Grumps. (you don't mind if I call you Grumps, do you?)

Not hindsight. Not bad luck. Anybody with the slightest knowledge of football knew what would happen with MacLeish.

Anyway, back to StarBlade and 'short-termism is alive and well...'

OK. I'm not going back to 1962 when I first saw the Blades (it was in sepia then). Let's just take the last 20 years - a period most of us can remember:

1993. FA Cup Semi-Final v. Wednesday (Wembley) Lost
1997. Play-off Final v. Palace (Wembley) Lost
1998. FA Cup Semi-Final v. Newcastle (Old Trafford) Lost
2003. League Cup Semi-Final v. Liverpool (Anfield) Lost
2003. FA Cup Semi-Final v. Arsenal (Old Trafford) Lost
2003. Play-off Final v. Wolves (Cardiff) Lost
2009. Play-off Final v. Burnley (Wembley) Lost
2012. Play-off Final v. Huddersfield (Wembley) Lost

Throw in a couple of last-day relegations and you accuse some of us of 'short-termism' FFS!

 

[grafikhaus]

I'll go back to Wednesday as an example of short-termism; Who did they have? Chris Turner, Paul Sturrock, Alan Irvine, Brian Laws, Megson. It's rarely a step forward; it's usually just a change for change sake, and then when nothing improves in a year or so, change again, and when that doesn't work out in a year or so, change again.

Exactly the folly of employing 'managers' who are a disgrace to the profession.
Chris Turner. Don't know if you've seen 'Orient. Club For Sale for a Fiver'? I have never, ever seen a bloke so out of his depth as Turner.
Paul Sturrock. Had one good season at Plymouth (including thumping Wednesday at Hillsborough). And that's qualifications for the job?
Alan Irvine. Again, a 'flavour of the month' after a few wins at Preston. Soon went back to Father Ted.
Laws. A prime example of a bloke not knowing his limitations. Very good at Scunthorpe (where he should have stayed). But no. 'Let's go and fuck up at Wednesday and Burnley before sinking back to my natural level.'
Megson. Like Dichov, a cunt, pure and simple. Oh, and you forgot...
Paul Jewell. Another 'I can manage at a higher level' merchant. Fucked up at Hillsborough and Ipswich. But the real jewel in the crown. The one which should be on his gravestone. Lowest PL points total ever at Derby.

StarBlade, we ain't going to agree on this one. There is short-termism. But its the fucking chairmen, not the long-suffering fans!!!

 

[stannyblade]

Is DW the reason we are in League 1? No, it was Micky Adams.

Actually its both. Adams took us there and DW failed to get us out. With what was at his disposal last season we failed big time.

Not sure who we bring in I just feel we will get nowhere with Wilson in charge. I hope Im wrong but I dont think I will be.

 

[alcoblade]

But he also had pretty large resources at his disposal at United - I don't think any other United manager had comparable resources - Beattie, Hendrie, Naysmith, Sharp, Cahill, Bardsley, Speed, Ehiogu etc - how much did that little lot cost in fees and wages?

Agreed, my point was that he was shite. He won things at Boro in spit of his shite ness.

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[alcoblade]

We can't have a manger that splits the fan base.

I'd have Davis, but you are right about that. A few bad results and the cycle would continue.

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[StarBlade]

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[StarBlade]

Can someone name me the last decent manager at United? When we had better finances, had better prospects, weren't staring into the abyss, and then have a go at who we'll go for next who would be an improvement?

Short-termism is giving someone a 3 year contract and then telling them half-way they are out because they've failed. Short-termism is losing a few games and demanding people lose their jobs. As I said, Alex Ferguson was once in a similar position and look at him now.

It's fine for people not to rate DW, that's fair enough, but for God sake, listen to your head, look at what McCabe thinks a good manager is, look at what McCabe will do with players if the phone rings, and then ask yourself what the replacement will be, at what cost in time and money and deep down, whether it will improve the results?

I think DW is doing "ok" this season, and I thought last season he did much better with a better squad obviously. We were overtaken at the end after Wednesday appointed a decent manager. Decent, manager, appointed.... with McCabe at the helm? Exactly!

 

[alcoblade]

Can someone name me the last decent manager at United? When we had better finances, had better prospects, weren't staring into the abyss, and then have a go at who we'll go for next who would be an improvement?

Short-termism is giving someone a 3 year contract and then telling them half-way they are out because they've failed. Short-termism is losing a few games and demanding people lose their jobs. As I said, Alex Ferguson was once in a similar position and look at him now.

It's fine for people not to rate DW, that's fair enough, but for God sake, listen to your head, look at what McCabe thinks a good manager is, look at what McCabe will do with players if the phone rings, and then ask yourself what the replacement will be, at what cost in time and money and deep down, whether it will improve the results?

I think DW is doing "ok" this season, and I thought last season he did much better with a better squad obviously. We were overtaken at the end after Wednesday appointed a decent manager. Decent, manager, appointed.... with McCabe at the helm? Exactly!

Some don't like his style, many don't like his gob, most know he loves himself more than us - but there's no realistic case that can be put to counter the concrete fact that Neil Warnock is a very good manager.

We jumped too soon in reality and I too was ready for a change. But look at the mess several replacements have made.

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[borbokis]

Last "decent" manager we had was probably Kendall. You could say Warnock but his limitations are well documented.

 

[Pinchy]

Said it before but Billy Davies? NOt my ideal choice but would get us out of the shit-hole we are in.

And whilst we are at it the boobs have gone again and have been replaced by X-Factor loser Christopher Maloney.

When we next taste victory the boobs will return.

Cut this out and paste it on the dressing room wall tonight Mr Wilson.

Now that's what I call motivation!! I think we've found our next manager.

Picture the scene: It's the last match; 3 points for promotion, only a win will do; An anxious, expectant dressing room waits nervously for the manager to deliver the speech of a lifetime. He clears his throat.....he fixes his players with a steely gaze.....he looks around with a purpose.....

"Mrs. Torrix, ask not what your club can do for you....."

 

[JohnDenver]

Last "decent" manager we had was probably Kendall. You could say Warnock but his limitations are well documented.

Can't believe we're having this discussion again, but I can't help myself.

Never really liked Warnock's ways, and he's probably not suited to dealing with the big time charlies you get in the Premiership...

...but Lordy, we didn't half have some good times. Appointing him was probably McCabe's best decision, just as replacing him was his worst.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Can't believe we're having this discussion again, but I can't help myself.

Never really liked Warnock's ways, and he's probably not suited to dealing with the big time charlies you get in the Premiership...

...but Lordy, we didn't half have some good times. Appointing him was probably McCabe's best decision, just as replacing him was his worst.

McC's?

I say it was Dooley

 

[HoodedClaw]

IMO it's not this season that has shown up DW's deficiencies but last season. The squad we had with a striker in the form CE was in, we should have been home and dry well before CE got sent down.

I've been pleasantly surprised that it's taken until the new year for the wheels to start looking wobbly on the Blades promotion train.

I agree that McCabe must shoulder some responsibility, but at the same time he gave DW ample opportunity last season by bank rolling the squad we had.

My problem is I'm not a fan of the Blades changing their manager part way through a season. It may well work for other sides but I dont think it would work for us, we all know the Bladesway. If we are to replace DW then I feel it would need to be at the end of the season if he doesnt get us up, there may also be a better choice with regards to available managers 'cos none of them currently (that would be realistic) inspire me with any great hope/confidence.

 

[Guesty]

There's a piece in the mail claiming DW could get the push if we lose tomorrow.

The weather would appear to have come to his rescue then!

It's a sign.

 

[Kenilworth]

And whilst we are at it the boobs have gone again and have been replaced by X-Factor loser Christopher Maloney.

Still a big tit, meh

 

[JohnDenver]

McC's?

I say it was Dooley

You're probably right...

 

[borbokis]

Can't believe we're having this discussion again, but I can't help myself.

Never really liked Warnock's ways, and he's probably not suited to dealing with the big time charlies you get in the Premiership...

...but Lordy, we didn't half have some good times. Appointing him was probably McCabe's best decision, just as replacing him was his worst.

Yeah he's definitely the best manager we've had whilst I've been a blade but like I said I think Kendall was probably better

 

[StarBlade]

Right, so the last decent manager was appointed 14 years ago, and before that 18 years ago. So, instead of asking those who choose the crap managers to choose one more after so many mistakes, perhaps we should be looking at those who choose. Just a thought.

I think DW can take us further, I accept others don't. But I think the problem is above him.

 

[alcoblade]

Yeah he's definitely the best manager we've had whilst I've been a blade but like I said I think Kendall was probably better

Not for us he wasn't.

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[Deleted member 875]

The last decent manager was Dave Bassett.

Not had a manager since who has come anywhere near.

 

[Bergen Blade]

With the continual lack of forward planning from the sitting SUFC manager (due to expectation of immediate success) I'd like us to consider getting a Director of Football. I know a lot of people are totally against such an appointment and still prefers Kevin McCabe to make vital football decisions, but I think we should consider it.

What are people's thoughts on Gary Johnson? What are his teams' style of play? He was part of Cambridge's rise in the early 90s, worked under Graham Taylor at Watford, had success twice with Yeovil, and brought Bristol City up when others couldn't, managed Latvia for a while. Would a guy like him be a decent candidate for a Director of Football role - experienced, but maybe hungrier and more hard working than some of the bigger 'names' that we may have considered for such a role?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson_(footballer)

Any other suggestions?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

There's only one man who can get us out of this shit hole.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Last "decent" manager we had was probably Kendall. You could say Warnock but his limitations are well documented.

I'd take Warnock back. I think he's learnt a lot since he left us, and his QPR side were certainly very easy on the eye. He wouldn't come back in a million years though.

 

[mekkyblade]

Now, onto more serious matters, who wants Boobs back in my avatar.....?[/quote]
There's already one tit in there pal.

 

[BladeFisher]

I'd take Warnock back. I think he's learnt a lot since he left us, and his QPR side were certainly very easy on the eye. He wouldn't come back in a million years though.

I am not so sure. I think Warnock's biggest frustration is that he has not managed to achieve any modicum of success in the top tier. Each time he has lasted just one season or part of a season.

On the face of it Leeds have access to far greater funds than SUFC and it is this, as well as McCabe, that would probably prevent him coming back. I would hazard a guess he might well get the boot from Leeds in the close season if they don't go up, and even if they do, harsh as it is, I wouldn't employ him as a PL manager.

 

[blade too long]

sack him quick , Alex McLEISH IS AVAILABLE

 

[blade too long]

I am not so sure. I think Warnock's biggest frustration is that he has not managed to achieve any modicum of success in the top tier. I wouldn't employ him as a PL manager.

Luckily theres little chance of us becoming one of those in a rush, so he has a chance

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

What are people's thoughts on Gary Johnson? What are his teams' style of play?

I watched his Bristol City team a few times (have a mate who supports them). His teams play a similar way to Warnock's I would say. It's all about team spirit and work ethic. Getting the ball forward quickly and getting lots of crosses in. Nothing wrong with it but it only gets you so far in my opinion. Both managers seem to be good at getting the best out of ordinary players and creating a team greater than the sum of it's parts.

In other words Johnson (as shown at Yeovil) is great at our current level. Not so sure about the next.

 

[Ollessendro]

Since when has McCabe ever made a decision at the right time, never mind the right manager. He got lucky having Warnock as manager for years and took advantage of him being a Blade. He could have sacked Warnock half way through the Prem season, but opted to do it when we had been relegated. We'd have sailed back up under Warnock, but McCabe sacked him.

It then took too long to get rid of Robson and King Kev came in. Blackwell did well at first and came close the season after. But everyone (including KB) knew that we had gone as far as we could go under Hoofy. However McCabe talked him out of his resignation. Then sacking Blackwell after 3 games was just ludicrous. It was just plain daft not giving Speed the whole pre season and sacking Blackwell earlier. Or at least seeing Blackwell see another dull season out and us finish n lower mid table. The appointment of Adams was a disaster, but is dismissal is probably the only one that McCabe has got the decision and timing right with. The he appoints Wilson ......

McCabe will get rid of Wilson in November of this year, when we are in lower mid table or sumert, therefore wasting another season in this godforsaken division.

 

[Angef1Blade]

If Wilson gets the push what about Phil Brown ex hull boss.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo