Wilder's new deal...

[wizadry]

Wenger is at Arsenal

That's why they've hardly won owt for years.

#playerpowerwengerout.

 

[DifferentClass]

That's why they've hardly won owt for years.

#playerpowerwengerout.

blud.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Tha 'rong A

Help me G........'rong A? Please throw some light so that an old geezer can understand.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Help me G........'rong A? Please throw some light so that an old geezer can understand.

You are not correct Sir.

"I may be wrong but I seem to recall that we're supposed to be paying Brayford £10 thousand a week? And yet Wilder's new agreement offers him £4K a week? If that's close to correct then something is wrong."

 

[itsinyerblood]

You are not correct Sir.

"I may be wrong but I seem to recall that we're supposed to be paying Brayford £10 thousand a week? And yet Wilder's new agreement offers him £4K a week? If that's close to correct then something is wrong."

How much then?

 

[blade67]

Surely it's just a piece of paper that says..
"As long as you want" and
"As much as you want" written on It!?

Wilder deserves an improved contract and I'm glad it looks like they are almost there. The last twelve months have been terrific, but we must remember Ian Porterfield and the crazy contract he was given. Never again

 

[LenTednTony]

Is any manager in the world the highest paid? Chelsea,Man u, city, real, barca? Etc. No way near, not saying whether Wilder should or shouldn't but it doesn't work that way, I am sure Wilder and Knill will get an offer they are both happy with, keep the faith, onwards and upwards

I think Arsene Wenger is......

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

How much then?

I've no idea but I'm sure Wilder will be pulling in more than 4K.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I've no idea but I'm sure Wilder will be pulling in more than 4K.

Hope so mate. It's all relative, and someone used the example of Porterfield as a reminder of how not to do things. I just hope that the club are on top of this and respond quickly in future. I expect interest in a successful manager, and if Wilder leaves so be it. I just hope a contributory factor if this happens isn't our sloppiness in offering Wilder enough to let him know he's where he was meant to be.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Hes on £3500 per week plus bonuses. New contract is £7000 per week plus bonuses. Iam not sure how much the bonuses are yet.Thats all ive got. UTB

 

[Sheffsteel]

A wage rise to £200,000 a year, half that we were paying Nigel Adkins.

Wouldn't you give him a big pay rise after the subsequent phenomenal success? We'll lose him otherwise, despite the over confidence of far too many people.

Taking off the Blades red and white spectacles
Adkins achievements piss all over what Wilder has achieved in respect of honours/ promotions.
Any normal club owners can only pay out a salary based on achievement and I'm sure Wilder would understand that.

Also the "we'll lose him comment" makes no logical sense. If you believe that Wilders main priority is salary then how does giving him a large pay rise change anything. We could triple his wage and Sunderland could still easily afford to double it. So alcoblade thinks we'll lose him sooner or later to a PL club because if we're doing well there's a good chance a PL will pay off his contract and offer a huge pay rise.

I suspect Wilder has principles (that's what he always says) and he'll only leave when he's outgrown the club and it's our transfer policy that's holding him back. Don't think personal salary is the top of Wilders prioritys.

If we struggle next season you can bet some fans on here will give McCabe load season of criticism and say they knew all along that Wilder was only capable in the lower division/ non league.

Personally I agree with the pay rise.
Even if we're crap next season I'd still support Wilder, for me he's won himself a full season to make a total mess and I'd still support him. Last season is contender to being the most enjoyable seasons I've had watching United in 40 years. However doubt my fellow Blade are so understanding and loyal.

 

[tincan]

I'm in the "could not give a damn what they pay him" - none of my business. He's done well so pay him what it takes to stay - but if we're losing next season , on the way back to the pub league with third division players then get rid - that's the price of those salaries - nowt to do with bladesness..

 

[boo radley]

Why does he need more money? He got a wage rise when he joined and signed a 3 year deal didn't he?

You forgot to mention all the free beer the likes of you and me dream of!

 

[Blade56]

Surely it's just a piece of paper that says..
"As long as you want" and
"As much as you want" written on It!?

And "must do better"..........





What? I've got feckin high standards.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

...is imminent according to Alan Biggs.

Best signing of the summer for me.

Leonard and Holmes next hopefully, then a centre half and we're on track for another belting transfer window.

"Sugar Ray" and "Larry" you mean?

 

[alcoblade]

Taking off the Blades red and white spectacles
Adkins achievements piss all over what Wilder has achieved in respect of honours/ promotions.
Any normal club owners can only pay out a salary based on achievement and I'm sure Wilder would understand that.

Also the "we'll lose him comment" makes no logical sense. If you believe that Wilders main priority is salary then how does giving him a large pay rise change anything. We could triple his wage and Sunderland could still easily afford to double it. So alcoblade thinks we'll lose him sooner or later to a PL club because if we're doing well there's a good chance a PL will pay off his contract and offer a huge pay rise.

I suspect Wilder has principles (that's what he always says) and he'll only leave when he's outgrown the club and it's our transfer policy that's holding him back. Don't think personal salary is the top of Wilders prioritys.

If we struggle next season you can bet some fans on here will give McCabe load season of criticism and say they knew all along that Wilder was only capable in the lower division/ non league.

Personally I agree with the pay rise.
Even if we're crap next season I'd still support Wilder, for me he's won himself a full season to make a total mess and I'd still support him. Last season is contender to being the most enjoyable seasons I've had watching United in 40 years. However doubt my fellow Blade are so understanding and loyal.

I'm not going to reveal any sources, but I have a bit of 2nd hand ITK here.

I'm fairly sure of my facts. The pay gap between Wilder and Adkins was perfectly justifiable. The point being, it isn't now.

Wilder is human. I remain stunned at the number of people who are oblivious to how money plays a key role in just about everyone's decision making.

I've no doubt he'd stay with us for less than he could screw elsewhere. I've even less doubt to there being a limit to that loyalty.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

It's a topic that needs consideration. Most of us regard Wilder as crucial to any progress we make in the short to midterm, and the suggestion that he either doesn't need, or deserve, a pay rise is immaterial to what paying him will do for the Blades. Letting Wilder know he's wanted is a self-evident statement of intent. I'm not talking a ridiculous figure like a 10-year contract, but certainly a hefty rise on his current salary and an increase in the length of his agreement.

I may be wrong but I seem to recall that we're supposed to be paying Brayford £10 thousand a week? And yet Wilder's new agreement offers him £4K a week? If that's close to correct then something is wrong. Whatever the reasons, the pros and cons, without Wilder we'd almost certainly still be considering which Division 1 ground we'd be visiting this coming season. It was Wilder that signed almost a new team, yet we value him at £4K per week? I hope I'm wrong, but if that figure is correct we will, at some point, get gazumped and not know what hit us.

It's the same at all clubs isn't it? The top players earn more than the gaffer - and by some margin. Which is why they get beyond motivation.

Blame Jimmy Hill for this - he started it. He did a lot of good things for football, but when he scrapped the maximum wage for footballers he opened a Pandora's box which has ruined the game as players can now hold clubs to ransom and basically, do what they hell they like, because they don't need to earn a living from the game for long to be entirely comfortable for the rest of their lives. So to hell with management and the club and the fans and anything else. (Thankfully we don't have any like that in our team - but the higher up we go the more chance that we will run into this).

 

[Maidenhead]

Why does he need more money? He got a wage rise when he joined and signed a 3 year deal didn't he?

Which will also have included performance bonuses that I assume he was happy with, so what's changed ?

 

[Maidenhead]

A wage rise to £200,000 a year, half that we were paying Nigel Adkins.

Wouldn't you give him a big pay rise after the subsequent phenomenal success? We'll lose him otherwise, despite the over confidence of far too many people.

Doesn't matter what we pay him, someone will always offer more of they want him

 

[alcoblade]

Doesn't matter what we pay him, someone will always offer more of they want him

It does matter what we pay him if he really feels undervalued right now

That's a separate point to being offered more elsewhere.

Do you believe you could earn more elsewhere? I do, and I'm not looking to move. It's two different subjects.

 

[Maidenhead]

It does matter what we pay him if he really feels undervalued right now

That's a separate point to being offered more elsewhere.

Do you believe you could earn more elsewhere? I do, and I'm not looking to move. It's two different subjects.

If money is not a motivator for him then why would he feel undervalued when he signed his existing contract lowing the terms and presumably including set performance bonuses

I have never been motivated by money and actually gave up a 6 figure salary to take a job as a postman because it's what I wanted to do and I could afford to

I would guess that Wilder is in a similar position, enjoying his job and his lifestyle, and I very much doubt that he felt "undervalued " apart from in the minds of those people that are solely motivated my money, and there's a lot of em.

If he is motivated by money he'll be off at some future time because he will get better financial offers, whatever we pay him.

 

[alcoblade]

If money is not a motivator for him then why would he feel undervalued when he signed his existing contract lowing the terms and presumably including set performance bonuses

I have never been motivated by money and actually have up a 6 figure salary to take a job as a postman because it's what I wanted to do and I could afford to

I would guess that Wilder is in a similar position, enjoying his job and his lifestyle, and I very much doubt that he felt "undervalued " apart from in the minds of those people that are solely motivated my money, and there's a lot of em.

I hope I'm wrong, and you're right. From what I'm told, I'm fairly sure you are wrong my friend, it's that simple.

I have taken pay cuts myself. That doesn't alter the fact that money is a motivator to everyone. It's just a case of how much.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It's the same at all clubs isn't it? The top players earn more than the gaffer - and by some margin. Which is why they get beyond motivation. ).

Just playing devils advocate but I'm sure Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Guardiola are the top earners at their clubs - and I bet the reason Sanchez and Ozil's contracts are dragging is Wenger's reluctance to have players earning more than him.

It's a basic principal that once clubs diverge from, the inmates start running the asylum.

 

[grafikhaus]

It would most definitely be the signing of the summer.

When you think back to the squad he inherited progress we've made as a club over the last year, it's hard not to think that Wilder is the club's greatest asset.

The rapport with the fans, the style of play, the team spirit, the tenacity of the players, everything is looking good, mainly in thanks to Wilder.

Excellent post. Yeah, he could just leave 'cos the money is better, but we're only here once and must try to enjoy our time on earth. Would CW do a 'belly slide' if Sunderland scored? Nah. Leave that to mercenaries like di Canio.

We could be on the brink of something very special here.

 

[grafikhaus]

Poor Nyron. Of all the "not really footballers" we saw at the Lane in the decade of decline before Wilder, I think Nyron remains one of the most bonky mad.

I'll see your Notworthy and raise you Claude Davis. We paid £3m for that useless lump and - even more incredibly - Derby gave us our money back. Bonkymadness!

 

[Maidenhead]

I hope I'm wrong, and you're right. From what I'm told, I'm fairly sure you are wrong my friend, it's that simple.

I have taken pay cuts myself. That doesn't alter the fact that money is a motivator to everyone. It's just a case of how much.

Not me.

I've never taken on anything just for the money

I've taken on jobs because I wanted the challenge and I've walked away from them when I wasn't getting any satisfaction from them.

I've also taken on many unpaid jobs because I wanted the challenge and to benefit the community.

Like Wilder I've never been sacked, and like me I don't believe that Wilder would walk for more money.

Now if his managers started not delivering on promises they have made to him, that would be a completely different kettle of fish and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take the same actions that I did on a couple of ocassions.

 

[Chali 2na]

It's the same at all clubs isn't it? The top players earn more than the gaffer - and by some margin. Which is why they get beyond motivation.

Blame Jimmy Hill for this - he started it. He did a lot of good things for football, but when he scrapped the maximum wage for footballers he opened a Pandora's box which has ruined the game as players can now hold clubs to ransom and basically, do what they hell they like, because they don't need to earn a living from the game for long to be entirely comfortable for the rest of their lives. So to hell with management and the club and the fans and anything else. (Thankfully we don't have any like that in our team - but the higher up we go the more chance that we will run into this).

http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

 

[Yoonited]

SUFC's greatest assets are its supporters. Don't let's ever forget that.

It could be argued that Chris is a supporter too, so perhaps we are all greatest assets because we all" Sing from the same song sheet".
To me that's what makes our club all the more special because of our unique position.It is collective energy which finds us in a division higher, nah let's ave them wendies first up.

UTB

 

[Lane Ender]

Taking off the Blades red and white spectacles
Adkins achievements piss all over what Wilder has achieved in respect of honours/ promotions.
Any normal club owners can only pay out a salary based on achievement and I'm sure Wilder would understand that.

Also the "we'll lose him comment" makes no logical sense. If you believe that Wilders main priority is salary then how does giving him a large pay rise change anything. We could triple his wage and Sunderland could still easily afford to double it. So alcoblade thinks we'll lose him sooner or later to a PL club because if we're doing well there's a good chance a PL will pay off his contract and offer a huge pay rise.

I suspect Wilder has principles (that's what he always says) and he'll only leave when he's outgrown the club and it's our transfer policy that's holding him back. Don't think personal salary is the top of Wilders prioritys.

If we struggle next season you can bet some fans on here will give McCabe load season of criticism and say they knew all along that Wilder was only capable in the lower division/ non league.

Personally I agree with the pay rise.
Even if we're crap next season I'd still support Wilder, for me he's won himself a full season to make a total mess and I'd still support him. Last season is contender to being the most enjoyable seasons I've had watching United in 40 years. However doubt my fellow Blade are so understanding and loyal.

Agree with the above the Championship is much like the Premiership for us next year avoiding relegation to me would be a success I'll take it.

 

[itsinyerblood]

@Cerebus Blade, My point wasn't to suggest parity of pay between manager and players, but to reward Wilder for last season's success and strike while the iron is still hot. We currently have a management team and a set of players we're proud of. By rewarding Wilder it will send a message that for the foreseeable future the club is prepared to act decisively, in turn it offers the manager, the players, and the supporters, the knowledge that Wilder is committed to the Blades for the foreseeable future. Whatever happens after an agreement is signed, at least moves have been made to offer assurances that the club is solidly behind the manager who achieved substantially more than a previous set of managers. Hopefully it will offer Wilder the assurance that the grass isn't always greener, and that he already has all he needs at this club. Beyond those points we'll just have to consider should anything else happen. Being on the front foot should be our director's default position, so let's see how things pan out.

As for Jimmy Hill, if it hadn't been Hill some other player representative would have broken the previous plantation strangle-hold that club's held over players. Like many other things, I doubt Hill could have foreseen what was to come with the advent of Jack Walker and then the transformative money offered by Sky. There once was what might be called a working class sport, now I'm not sure what you'd call it. You have young, relatively ignorant but talented footballers earning better than average money, and at the very top of this particular tree, well we're all gobsmacked with the amounts paid each week to these, often divorced from reality, young players. I used to think this bubble might burst, and should the public lose interest with football then Sky and BT then maybe the bottom will fall out of this boom. Of course should this happen we may return to a few weekly magazine programmes on terrestrial television. Imagine that barren landscape compared to the current overkill where football is a push of a button away!