Wilder's interview tonight

[Johnstreet John]

usually.. won't happen here i don't think. Wilder has too much respect

I respected my boss until he turned the other cheek and pretended he didn't know anything about something he'd asked me to do. Now I hate the twat and am trying to set the tosser up.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Well I must be one of Wilder’s biggest fans but I think that he needs to have a good look at himself after that shower of shite.

How many if us thought that a midfield three of Fleck, Evans and Leonard had enough attacking flair and why did every player just hoof it out of deference especially in the first half? That has to be down to Wilder’s instructions, not one player tried to consistently pass the ball out of defense until the second half, but they scored the goal and that killed it just as it looked like we’d started to play.

Chris and Alan are as much to blame for that shocker.

We played that same midfield three against Norwich and played well.

 

[Lawrence]

My thoughts...

1. Something is not right behind the scenes.

2. It needs sorting quickly

3. For the first time I now seriously think we may lose CW at the end of the season.

Because he is ambitious, he may have thought that he can ‘walk on water’ with the budget he was given, but now has come to realisation he can’t with these league one players, he has ambition, do the board have ambition? he said (on radio Sheff) that he thought that maybe these players could do it, but now he doesn’t and he will look at what he can do next season. Will he leave if they don’t show some ambition?
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/budget.61116/page-5

 

[Carlton Blade]

You can only give out so many bollockings before people start tuning them out. It's just human nature.

Lots of pressure on everyone to get things right before kick off now. Can't rely on retrospectively fixing things all the time

 

[GrayBlade]

Stevens has left him marooned a few times recently i don't blame him

Agree with your observation mate but are we saying there wasn’t one opportunity for him to get forward especially when we were behind?

I suppose that’s my biggest gripe/query, even when we were chasing the game we still didn’t really chase it. Is that down to individual players making their own minds up or doing what they were told to do?

 

[The Fox]

I don't buy this "he,s a fan " , honesty bollocks .. he's the manager , his team, his players , his tactics ... tonight was utter shit .. his entire job is to acquire , train , organise and motivate a bunch of footballers ... by coming out and saying what he did he's basically saying I've bought / selected the wrong players and failed to organise and motivate them ... then do your fucking job you knob !!

 

[itsinyerblood]

Wilder's response was exactly right. He's put the player's on alert, it's time they took their jobs to heart, or admit that they. individually, are taking money under false pretences.
My take is that Wilder is deflated, having bought what he considered were decent players, only to find that they don't share his desire and ambition. Personally I hope that tonight was a one-off, and that it acts like a line in the sand, ensuring that we never see a repeat of tonight's embarrassment.

 

[Foxy]

Regardless of selections and tactics, I've not seen a collection of players collectively fail to do such simple tasks for a long time... So many diabolical first touches and simple passes straight to opposition.

So many strange decisions made on the ball.

Lack of movement in the centre and no one taking responsibility to get on the ball and control things.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I don't buy this "he,s a fan " , honesty bollocks .. he's the manager , his team, his players , his tactics ... tonight was utter shit .. his entire job is to acquire , train , organise and motivate a bunch of footballers ... by coming out and saying what he did he's basically saying I've bought / selected the wrong players and failed to organise and motivate them ... then do your fucking job you knob !!

You appear to have all the answers pal. At what point did Wilder fail us? You clearly consider this state of affairs began long ago, so when exactly was it that he failed in his job?

 

[Roygbiv]

Wilder's response was exactly right. He's put the player's on alert, it's time they took their jobs to heart, or admit that they. individually, are taking money under false pretences.
My take is that Wilder is deflated, having bought what he considered were decent players, only to find that they don't share his desire and ambition. Personally I hope that tonight was a one-off, and that it acts like a line in the sand, ensuring that we never see a repeat of tonight's embarrassment.

Totally agree with that. I dont think he was spinning anything, I think he was genuinely let down by the desire of the team. As Wilder said, It really felt like that by winning the last 2 they had done their bit and they didn't really have the desire to win the next one. I think that's what Wilder was getting at when he said the team has gone as far as it can. I don't think he meant it in terms of quality, i think he meant in terms of ambition. Tonight they didn't play anything like a side who really thought they had a chance of promotion. As he said there is no way Cardiff lose there tonight no matter how poor they play.

 

[Mendi]

Wilder has had some tough results. I slightly fear for his job, if Prince gets the club outright.

 

[Rusty]

I love Wilder, but that was bollocks. Clarke was in Dawson’s pocket all night, and Billy missed the one half chance we had. They don’t deserve any more credit than the rest of them - I’d give Blackman and Baldock a pass mark tonight, and that’s about it.

Very much the way I saw it...

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Not making for excuses, but did anyone else think the pitch was really poor tonight ?
It seemed to me that the ball was bobbling about alot and the pitch seemed Heavy.
I know its the same for both sides and Hull certainly deserved their win.

 

[mosbolad]

 

[PokerBlade]

The RS interview is absolutely brutal.

My issue with it is that these warning signs have been around for a while now. He was willing to say he was comfortable and the team did well in the last twenty vs. QPR but that was exactly the same as what happened tonight. We've been doing this overly predictable thing with far too much long ball for a few games now. Clarke isn't a target man. If you want to hoof balls up to heads then don't send Hanson out on loan. Even if our passing game is weak at the moment it'll always be better for us than hit and hope. Tired legs or not, we didn't look like we were even trying to play the same system that we started the season with.

I won't write any player off this early but watching Leonard was just sad. Never seen a player look so lost and confused as to what he's supposed to be doing. I don't really blame the strikers because I waited 90 minutes and didn't see a decent cross. Fleck was poor by his standards. The defence not only went long, but went aimless with is. What happened to the team that put twenty pass moves together to make a goal? What happened to the team that got players forward and moved it around at pace? Where was any kind of pressure on the ball?

I hate to criticise a manager who's done as much, cares as much, and tries as hard for us as Wilder, but unless he's telling me that his players have decided to stop listening to him overnight, I have to put some blame at his door. While our league position is a huge over achievement, and I'm more than willing to accept finishing outside the play-offs, some of the recent performances are way below the standards we've set for ourselves. If we're getting the maximum from our players then don't have a go at them. You can't have it both ways.

I'm behind Wilder all the way. He's achieved amazing things in a job that was starting to look cursed. And I want to get behind what he's said tonight because there's a lot of truth in it. Still, it's far too emotional. I don't want to hear about desire. I want to hear whether your instructions have changed over the season or whether the players have stopped listening, because that wasn't the system I recognise or the one that's brought us success. I want to hear that we're going back to the kind of football that had everyone raving about us.

And a big part of me thinks, fuck all of that I just wrote. If we come out the traps on Tuesday night like I know we can then Wilder will have proven me an idiot and himself a genius yet again. I'd shit myself if I even imagined what would happen to us without him so all we can do is sit back and hope we get back on track.

 

[Baxters left nostril]

Absolutely spot on in everything he said, that was fucking dire at best. Second all over the pitch, no intensity and a severe lack of quality. The first 45 minutes was piss poor from both sides really, probably the worst 45 minutes I’ve seen all season. Busy schedule recently but that’s no excuse, be interesting to see the line up for the next game. Not having a dig here at all but I was disappointed to see Lundstram on the bench after Tuesday, and Leonard did nothing to help his case, he was awful in the first 25 minutes, gave the ball away every time he got it. Let’s hope it was just a bad day at the office and we bounce back quickly, after wilders comments after the game, the boys have a big point to prove UTB

 

[mattco2001]

Just listened to his interview and I cannot argue against anything he has said. It is very unusual in football nowadays to hear a manager come out and really give an honest and negative view of his players. But I think that's why he is and had been as successful as he has been and is respected by fans and players alike. We as fans are the ones that raise expectations, we can't argue with 7th place at the end of February after getting promoted last season. Look at all the threads slamming the team, selection etc. He's absolutely right, we aren't good enough to finish in the top 6. But, that wasn't our aim pre-season and it still isn't, it's our raised expectations along with media and a "back to back" promotion fantasy like Norwich did that lets us get carried away and then feel let down when a result like tonight occurs. It was our worst performance of the season, they were awful. I thought Wilder got team selection and subs wrong this evening but he's absolutely allowed that, remember this is first season at this level and he is also learning every step of the way.
That interview was brutally honest. I think it was a way of telling the fans and media to lower their expectations of what this squad can achieve. I personally find it refreshing to hear a manager have the bollocks to come out and say how he feels without "offending" these poor blokes earning £7/8/9k per week when they don't perform or are in the wrong. He has a no nonsense attitude which I love.
Always constructively criticise the team, players, management, tactics etc but lets not get carried away. We are punching above our weight and exceeding expectations this season, lets not forget that!
Disappointing night and poor performance but what a season and past couple of years we've had! At least we're not Wendy eh?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Agree , he seems to be trying to justify buying leonard and evans at the expence of duffy and lundstrum who must be well pissed off.

Who's lundstrum?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Good interview and whatever he says he’s just looking for a reaction.

 

[grafikhaus]

Whether CW interview was a 'rocket up the arse' for the players I don't know. But I wish he hadn't alluded to (more or less) seeing the season out. This is a critical time of the season as how we perform will directly impact on the enthusiasm/season ticket sales going into next season.

Anyway, he's right about not finishing in the top six and I said it after the QPR game. We've not got any leeway after dropping too many points since Coutts got injured. We'll have more evenings like last Tuesday when there were four matches in the Championship - most featuring our rivals. Some will lose or only draw, but not all of them. Therefore we've got to win and keep on winning which, to be frank, we've not been doing (it's October 27th - the win at Leeds - since we won more than 2 on the trot).

But I'm not surprised. Nobody is 'letting CW down' or 'couldn't be arsed'. We're witnessing the end of an era that started when CW arrived and it's finally caught up with us. I don't want to single out individual players but I'll just name Basham. He's been performing to the very limits of his ability for most of this season and when up against the better players at this level (Wolves away, for example) he looks pitifully exposed. It's only natural.

So did any of our players go into last night's game thinking the team 'only had to turn up'? I doubt it, but it seems some of our fans did. Regardless of their position, Hull can still put out a tidy side - McGregor, Irvine, Dicko, Diomande, Larsson, Bowen, Dawson would all walk into our squad. There are no easy games in the Championship. (Think next Saturday at home to Burton will be a walkover? Don't bet on it).

Fitness is another consideration. While it would be ludicrous to say that our players 'aren't fit', there are degrees of fitness. A lot of the Hull players have recent PL experience and that makes them a different animal. (When we played Hull in the 2014 Semi, one of our players said that - up close - a lot of Hull's players were built like Welterweight/Middleweight boxers). Despite our staff's best efforts, you're simply not going to change players such as Duffy, Baldock, Stevens, Fleck etc. (who have spent most of their careers in the lower leagues) into something they aren't.

A mid-table finish - while disappointing given where we've been all season - is still creditable for a first season back in the Championship. And probably a fair reflection.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Is Wilder himself totally absolved from blame?

 

[Johnstreet John]

Is Wilder himself totally absolved from blame?

I didnt hear him pulling himself down. Only his squad. So perhaps he thinks he's doing everything possible and others are letting him down. Including them paying his wage.

 

[The Crab]

He was in the dressing room for a while and I doubt he was offering them a Peroni.

Only if it's Italian for "a round of fucks" which frankly, they deserved after that performance.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Last night was a real WTF game for me, as others have said, everyone seemed to forget how to pass, recognise a teammate, they left their desire in the dressing room, it was a very very un-Wilder like performance and definitely the worst I've seen under him.

As for the interview, doubtless too soon after the game but he's definitely put a marker down for Tuesday and it's up to the players to put it right. Psychology, maybe but I don't doubt for a minute that he's given up. I'm not quite sure why he absolved the front two either, thought they were as bad as anyone else and I thought Baldock was probably the only one who kept going from start to finish (the two runs where Leonard ignored him summing up the night for me).

Our tactics were a bit strange last night, I've not seen us play so many balls from the back up to the front 2, was that Wilder, did the defenders themselves realise what a bad night the likes of Evans and Leonard were having or were they just taking the easy way out ?

All in all a very bad night, just have to wait and see how it pans out.

 

[The Crab]

Is Wilder himself totally absolved from blame?

No, nor should he be. Him and AK must shoulder some of the blame. But for me the bigger part of the blame is with the players who didn't produce last night against a team that can't buy a win.

 

[super_pig]

Very strange interview. I'm confused what he means by maxed out since he started 2 players he signed last month. I can understand Duffy not being fit (he hardly looked enthusiastic to come on!) and Holmes and Brookes injured that the formation changes, but still.

Vastly unfair on Blackman, Stearman and Baldock, the latter was our attacking threat.Also, to a lesser extent, O'Connell and Basham.

I thought we were putting a shift in as well, as a team. We were just woeful on and off the ball.

If it's aimed at the Boardroom then it's oddly time and phrased.

i don't think it is. he was just disappointed.. his opinion reflected everything said on here tbf

 

[Rodley]

The RS interview is absolutely brutal.

My issue with it is that these warning signs have been around for a while now. He was willing to say he was comfortable and the team did well in the last twenty vs. QPR but that was exactly the same as what happened tonight. We've been doing this overly predictable thing with far too much long ball for a few games now. Clarke isn't a target man. If you want to hoof balls up to heads then don't send Hanson out on loan. Even if our passing game is weak at the moment it'll always be better for us than hit and hope. Tired legs or not, we didn't look like we were even trying to play the same system that we started the season with.

I won't write any player off this early but watching Leonard was just sad. Never seen a player look so lost and confused as to what he's supposed to be doing. I don't really blame the strikers because I waited 90 minutes and didn't see a decent cross. Fleck was poor by his standards. The defence not only went long, but went aimless with is. What happened to the team that put twenty pass moves together to make a goal? What happened to the team that got players forward and moved it around at pace? Where was any kind of pressure on the ball?

I hate to criticise a manager who's done as much, cares as much, and tries as hard for us as Wilder, but unless he's telling me that his players have decided to stop listening to him overnight, I have to put some blame at his door. While our league position is a huge over achievement, and I'm more than willing to accept finishing outside the play-offs, some of the recent performances are way below the standards we've set for ourselves. If we're getting the maximum from our players then don't have a go at them. You can't have it both ways.

I'm behind Wilder all the way. He's achieved amazing things in a job that was starting to look cursed. And I want to get behind what he's said tonight because there's a lot of truth in it. Still, it's far too emotional. I don't want to hear about desire. I want to hear whether your instructions have changed over the season or whether the players have stopped listening, because that wasn't the system I recognise or the one that's brought us success. I want to hear that we're going back to the kind of football that had everyone raving about us.

And a big part of me thinks, fuck all of that I just wrote. If we come out the traps on Tuesday night like I know we can then Wilder will have proven me an idiot and himself a genius yet again. I'd shit myself if I even imagined what would happen to us without him so all we can do is sit back and hope we get back on track.

I thought that interview is a bit of a mistake from Wilder. Say that stuff in the dressing room, not in the press.

The difference is teams are setting systems up to stop us playing. We need to switch the personnel or tweak the system to overcome it. Like we did bringing in Hanson last year.

The key changes for me are playing Brooks in the front two and always having Holmes or Duffy in the ACM role. We need that pace up top from otherwise teams keep a high defensive line and compress the midfield with numbers. They press the life out of us. We’d need a Wolves level of quality to blow teams away with a straightforward 5-3-2. Unfortunately there’s only a handful of clubs in UK football with that level of resource, let alone the Championship.

 

[Chali 2na]

I don't buy this "he,s a fan " , honesty bollocks .. he's the manager , his team, his players , his tactics ... tonight was utter shit .. his entire job is to acquire , train , organise and motivate a bunch of footballers ... by coming out and saying what he did he's basically saying I've bought / selected the wrong players and failed to organise and motivate them ... then do your fucking job you knob !!

What a completely needless post.

No matter how poor the performance was, or how dissapointed you are, calling the players "utter shit" and Wilder "a knob" is inexcusable.

Plenty have posters on this thread have criticised the selection, tactics and performance without managing to be completely derogatory.

I find it hard to believe you'd say that to Wilder's face, and if you did, you'd perfectly represent some of the aspects of a football fan I hate.

Again, dreadful post.

 

[super_pig]

I thought that interview is a bit of a mistake from Wilder. Say that stuff in the dressing room, not in the press.

The difference is teams are setting systems up to stop us playing. We need to switch the personnel or tweak the system to overcome it. Like we did bringing in Hanson last year.

The key changes for me are playing Brooks in the front two and always having Holmes or Duffy in the ACM role. We need that pace up top from otherwise teams keep a high defensive line and compress the midfield with numbers. They press the life out of us. We’d need a Wolves level of quality to blow teams away with a straightforward 5-3-2. Unfortunately there’s only a handful of clubs in UK football with that level of resource, let alone the Championship.

what 'cos the poor little players might be upset?? fuck that. he's never said anything like that 'ever' before. they need to get their shit together. that was a fucking disgrace to the shirt. i won't have it. you won't have it. Chris won't have it.

 

[super_pig]

I don't buy this "he,s a fan " , honesty bollocks .. he's the manager , his team, his players , his tactics ... tonight was utter shit .. his entire job is to acquire , train , organise and motivate a bunch of footballers ... by coming out and saying what he did he's basically saying I've bought / selected the wrong players and failed to organise and motivate them ... then do your fucking job you knob !!

congratulations.. first ever anti Wilder post..
not something to be proud of. it's started.