Wilders comments

[FTPE]

As always... PERFECT response and quotes from Wilder.

Its slightly depressing that our second string aren't pushing our starting 11 much, but screw the cup anyway.

 

[Bartleby]

It can be interpreted in whatever way people choose to suit an argument, as pommpey has done. However, the reality is that he has played on loan since August/ September, done really well and the deal was always going through in Jan on a permanent deal. Theres nothing wrong with doing what the club has done and announce that it has been ratified. They've certainly not dressed it up as a new signing.

and there were plenty on here shitting themselves summat had gone wrong before it was confirmed.

 

[Almosthuman]

Did we win? Did we play well?

Of course it was the wrong team. You can't just throw 11 players together who have never played together before in a formation that some of them can't play in and expect it to work.It's not like we have a reserve side where they all play together regularly

Did we win? Did we play well?

Of course it was the wrong team. You can't just throw 11 players together who have never played together before in a formation that some of them can't play in and expect it to work.It's not like we have a reserve side where they all play together regularly.

They train together in this formation with these tactics day in day out. A lot play in the 23s regularly.

They’re not a bunch of strangers dragged in off the street. They’re pro footballers signed BECAUSE THEY CAN PLAY THIS WAY. So signed to play in this way, train to play in this way and every player better than none league. In what world do you think this is wilders fault?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

That is exactly right, but we as supporters condone it because we don't want any of our main players getting injured etc in the search for the holy grail of premiership football. I've wasted the last of my money today on what was back in the day, our premier cup competition. I expect in a few years for it to have quietly faded away.

I don’t consider today a waste of money. I bought a ticket. It cost only a fiver and I got 150 loyalty points for it. I didn’t go to the match - no intention of going. I went for a lovely walk and had a nice pub lunch and a couple of pints. It was a beautiful day for a walk y’know?

 

[BLADES1988]

Do they allow eleven subs in the f.a cup ?

Haha my thoughts aswell! What a silly sausage

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I don’t consider today a waste of money. I bought a ticket. It cost only a fiver and I got 150 loyalty points for it. I didn’t go to the match - no intention of going. I went for a lovely walk and had a nice pub lunch and a couple of pints. It was a beautiful day for a walk y’know?

I know Cerberus, most of our team spent 90 minutes walking around on the pitch.

 

[BushBlade]

Dowell has been playing week in week out for Everton U23s.

He has had more than enough minutes this season. Baring in mind the Premiership U23s are a higher standard than Barnet. Or at least similar.

First game for a new club, he should have been busting his bollocks off in effort. Sorry but I didn’t see it .

I don’t agree with that. U23s isn’t comparable to National League. Premier League U23s is almost a non contact sport played by kids who get paid too much, the conference is full of men who have bills to pay and who know how to leave one on you.

 

[Kev Gee]

Great comments from Wilder. However he picked that team so some of the blame also lies with him.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Great comments from Wilder. However he picked that team so some of the blame also lies with him.

It was a team largely made up of players he’s signed as well.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I've no problem at all with what Wilder said. If the players ignore the pre-game plan, dont put any effort in, then he is right to have a go. He did make too many changes though, which is on his head. My concern is not really that the reserve 11 today were rubbish, but more that when the first 11 resume next week, we will see the usual slow re-start we get after every international break.

Not sure where Wilder has supposed to have written off Dowell, he was one of only two players praised in the post match comments.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Did we win? Did we play well?

Of course it was the wrong team. You can't just throw 11 players together who have never played together before in a formation that some of them can't play in and expect it to work.It's not like we have a reserve side where they all play together regularly.

I am old enough to remember the old Central League,a full 42 match season,midweek matches every week for the reserve team players against top teams in the North and Midlands.It was good quality 'mens' football and if needed the players were 'match' fit,nowadays the senior second string players might get a few minutes of first team football or the odd game with the U23's.It is ok to accommodate the odd fringe player without too much disturbance,but to put eleven together and expect them to perform as a team is ridiculous.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

He said he felt sorry for dowell and that he will be a really good player for us.

I feel sorry for him if that's the best he can do against a non-league team.
Maybe he'll turn out to be half decent but he hardly looked like a challenge for Duffy.

 

[Weasel]

I have to disagree with a lot of the comments on this thread.

Yes of course CW picked the team, and yes he made 10 changes. However the team should still have been more than good enough to beat non league opposition. The reason they weren't was down to their attitude pure and simple. Yes, playing together can add cohesion and help performance, but that wasn't the issue today. It was a case of the players going through the motions and showing arrogance. Wilders comments perfectly reflected my summing up of the game with my lads afterwards in the car home.

Wilder isn't a bloody mind reader. He isn't to know what the attitude is going to be from the players until they cross that white line on the day. He's given them a chance today and the vast majority let him down. I have no issue at all with the side he picked today, cos believe it or not, we do have bigger fish to fry this season. If I have the choice between losing today or losing at Wigan away last game, I would choose today all day long. The league is our priority all day long and we have given most of the first team a day off after a busy period and given game time to the lads on the edge of things. Some didn't take that chance, but to hear some on here have a pop at Dowell and Bryan, is fkin ridiculous. They just made their fkin debuts.

Imo CW was bang on correct in his team selection today, and the game was to be played again tomorrow, I would want him to pick the same team again. The vast majority have let him and us down today.

What today did show me was that again, we can have a tendency to over play things and be so slow to break and have a slow tempo when things aren't going well. There was fuk all urgency today and part of the problem today was Coutts and Lundstrum. Why take 3 touches when 30 will do....oh and Clarke had a fkin shocker as well.

 

[Foody]

A fairly cowardly response from a manager.

A manager who picked the wrong team yet has accepted no blame.
A manager who has just written off his new loan signing and a player making his debut
A manager who has written off a player whose contract he has recently extended
A manager too cowardly to answer a direct question about his next signing

There needed to be a strong response, but to merely chuck the whole team under a bus is a bit pathetic.

Have you actually listened to the interview? Judging by your ill informed comments I'd say you haven't. How can you possibly claim he's 'written off his new loan signing' when he actually singled him out for praise and said 'he'll be a big player for us'. Anyone with common sense knows he was specifically targeting senior players, who are (or rather were) pushing for a start.

If you wish to actually listen to the interview so your post is based on facts I suggest you head to the football heaven website.

 

[blade53]

Big thanks to Leicester City for deflecting a bit of the Nations attention off our embarrassing defeat!

 

[Weasel]

Have you actually listened to the interview? Judging by your ill informed comments I'd say you haven't. How can you possibly claim he's 'written off his new loan signing' when he actually singled him out for praise and said 'he'll be a big player for us'. Anyone with common sense knows he was specifically targeting senior players, who are (or rather were) pushing for a start.

If you wish to actually listen to the interview so your post is based on facts I suggest you head to the football heaven website.

We said fella. I also heard CW's interview on radio Sheffield and for me, once again he got it bang on. I was sat here scratching my head at some of the bollox I've read on here tonight from some posters who seemingly either don't bother to actually listen to what CW says, or just make up bollox for some weird reason.

Nowt as queer as folk.

 

[Foody]

The backlash at Wilder on here is beyond ridiculous. We are third in the league and playing some of the most entertaining football we've seen. Against Barnet almost everyone on here has called for a changed starting 11. If you look at today's team they've almost been key players for us at some point.

Moore: 61 blades appearances, massive player in our promotion season..
Freeman: 105 blades appearances; including being one of the players of the season in league 1.
Cranie. very experienced pro played 100s of l1 And championship games
Stearman: ditto, and was first choice last season..
Bryan: one of very few gambles in the starting 11, highly rated young player
Johnson: not impressed in his short time at the lane, but Boro payed a few mill for him not long ago.
Coutts: His injury derailed us last season, that's how good he has been.
Lundstram: A debatable one, but played a lot of games for us already.
Dowell: England U21, really impressive first half of last season at championship level.
Clarke: Last season's top scorer
Washington: An experienced championship striker

So yeah Wilder has every right to expect that team to win. They have let him down, he's correct.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I have to disagree with a lot of the comments on this thread.

Yes of course CW picked the team, and yes he made 10 changes. However the team should still have been more than good enough to beat non league opposition. The reason they weren't was down to their attitude pure and simple. Yes, playing together can add cohesion and help performance, but that wasn't the issue today. It was a case of the players going through the motions and showing arrogance. Wilders comments perfectly reflected my summing up of the game with my lads afterwards in the car home.

Wilder isn't a bloody mind reader. He isn't to know what the attitude is going to be from the players until they cross that white line on the day. He's given them a chance today and the vast majority let him down. I have no issue at all with the side he picked today, cos believe it or not, we do have bigger fish to fry this season. If I have the choice between losing today or losing at Wigan away last game, I would choose today all day long. The league is our priority all day long and we have given most of the first team a day off after a busy period and given game time to the lads on the edge of things. Some didn't take that chance, but to hear some on here have a pop at Dowell and Bryan, is fkin ridiculous. They just made their fkin debuts.

Imo CW was bang on correct in his team selection today, and the game was to be played again tomorrow, I would want him to pick the same team again. The vast majority have let him and us down today.

What today did show me was that again, we can have a tendency to over play things and be so slow to break and have a slow tempo when things aren't going well. There was fuk all urgency today and part of the problem today was Coutts and Lundstrum. Why take 3 touches when 30 will do....oh and Clarke had a fkin shocker as well.

It's his job to put a team out to play well, have them know their roles and be motivated to put a shift in - they didn't.

He even rightly put some of the blame on himself.

 

[pommpey]

Big thanks to Leicester City for deflecting a bit of the Nations attention off our embarrassing defeat!

74 places between LCFC and the Exiles

Slightly less embarrassing for the Foxes

We were shit today, and we know we were

pommpey

 

[sitwell]

Have you actually listened to the interview? Judging by your ill informed comments I'd say you haven't. How can you possibly claim he's 'written off his new loan signing' when he actually singled him out for praise and said 'he'll be a big player for us'. Anyone with common sense knows he was specifically targeting senior players, who are (or rather were) pushing for a start.

If you wish to actually listen to the interview so your post is based on facts I suggest you head to the football heaven website.

Be fair to him ,hes been dying to post that for 2 and a half years ,since he told us all wilder was rubbish and we should never have him as manager.

 

[Almosthuman]

Wilder picked the side and takes no responsibility?

Puts all the blame on the players?

Ok. In Wilder we trust I guess (unless he's on about signing Public Enemy Number One of course, then he's not quite the Messiah)

Nah he’s still the messiah, there is no reason not to trust in him. It feels like People are looking for things to get angry about because things are so good.

In the grand scheme of where we are as a club it’s amazing. If he says sign Madine the sign the fucker. Could care less what he’s done or played for. End of the day if CW says this is who we need to take us to the prem then what reason has he given me to doubt him?

 

[DaleHillBlade]

Nah he’s still the messiah, there is no reason not to trust in him. It feels like People are looking for things to get angry about because things are so good.

In the grand scheme of where we are as a club it’s amazing. If he says sign Madine the sign the fucker. Could care less what he’s done or played for. End of the day if CW says this is who we need to take us to the prem then what reason has he given me to doubt him?

Well, I've read the comments and it seems you're right. Wilder sent out a hugely changed team who, totally surprisingly, didn't play as a coherent unit (useless wankers!).

But the good news is that he had the good sense to take no responsibility for himself.

Phew.

After all, it's just the Cup, and we don't give a flying fuck about it.

 

[Weasel]

It's his job to put a team out to play well, have them know their roles and be motivated to put a shift in - they didn't.

He even rightly put some of the blame on himself.

It's his job to put together a squad of players and to try and get the highest levels of performance out of those individuals over a period of time. That's what management is all about. Maximising the performance of the individuals who you manage.

Wilder's given the players the platform and the resources for them to be able to fulfil their potential today, given them his trust, overseen them in training and given them advice during the game. He knows his squad and done what he thought was the right thing to do today.

However, sometimes individuals who you manage have bad days, don't do what you expect them to do, or may even let you down (I know because it has happened to me occasionally in my many years of man management in my business). It happens. Sometimes when you least expect it.

What's important is how you react and what you do to ensure that mistakes arent repeated, including a kick up the arse for some of your staff from time to time if it's deserved. You can believe in your team, give them all the tools they need to do the job, and give them advice and encouragement, but if they choose to ignore you or they can't be arsed, then that's when a good manager knows how to sort it. Wilder will sort it.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Great comments from Wilder. However he picked that team so some of the blame also lies with him.

The blame lies with the players. CW was entitled to expect a much, much better performance from them.

 

[AWetFlannel]

It's his job to put together a squad of players and to try and get the highest levels of performance out of those individuals over a period of time. That's what management is all about. Maximising the performance of the individuals who you manage.

Wilder's given the players the platform and the resources for them to be able to fulfil their potential today, given them his trust, overseen them in training and given them advice during the game. He knows his squad and done what he thought was the right thing to do today.

However, sometimes individuals who you manage have bad days, don't do what you expect them to do, or may even let you down (I know because it has happened to me occasionally in my many years of man management in my business). It happens. Sometimes when you least expect it.

What's important is how you react and what you do to ensure that mistakes arent repeated, including a kick up the arse for some of your staff from time to time if it's deserved. You can believe in your team, give them all the tools they need to do the job, and give them advice and encouragement, but if they choose to ignore you or they can't be arsed, then that's when a good manager knows how to sort it. Wilder will sort it.

I believe he will sort it, just also think when you lose to a team more than a division bellow you, the team are not properly motivated. He takes some blame for that, as well as the players who played like shit.

 

[itsinyerblood]

A fairly cowardly response from a manager.

A manager who picked the wrong team yet has accepted no blame.
A manager who has just written off his new loan signing and a player making his debut
A manager who has written off a player whose contract he has recently extended
A manager too cowardly to answer a direct question about his next signing

There needed to be a strong response, but to merely chuck the whole team under a bus is a bit pathetic.

Funny, pathetic is the response I had after reading your post. The use of the word cowardly is the least appropriate I can think of.

There's very little grey area where Blades are concerned, it's either fair weather or a gale is blowing. You've demonstrated that this quality was never truer, and to refer to our manager as cowardly demonstrates that you lack the ability to reflect clearly in a mature manner, or that you consider it correct to label Wilder as an individual who would shirk from the responsibilities of his office. Based on what he saw today he's entitled to say exactly what he wants. Yes, he signed these players, which means that he's responsible for the same players receiving a wage from SUFC. As paid employees he's the man who chooses whether to make his discontent public or private. He's chosen to make his feelings public, and whether you agree with the content of his criticisms, or even the fact that he aired his thoughts in public, one game seems to have caused an over-reaction based on spite, irrationality, and the suggest that Wilder is cowardly is as spectacularly wrong as I can recall.

 

[Almosthuman]

Well, I've read the comments and it seems you're right. Wilder sent out a hugely changed team who, totally surprisingly, didn't play as a coherent unit (useless wankers!).

But the good news is that he had the good sense to take no responsibility for himself.

Phew.

After all, it's just the Cup, and we don't give a flying fuck about it.

Just because it’s a changed squad makes no difference whatsoever, they train together all the time they should have enough to beat a fucking none league team.

Last season we played heavily changed squads against Ipswich and Preston and won twice, no one gave a shit. In fact I think Nathan Thomas bagged a goal and what happened to him????

Only reason people are getting knickers in a twist is because we lost. But it’s not because he made changes

 

[DaleHillBlade]

Just because it’s a changed squad makes no difference whatsoever

Really? Ok.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

So you’re using today’s result and performance to have a go at general recruitment which hasn’t yet happened. Gotcha now

The fact remains that we’ve rubber stamped the Norwood deal this week and why not celebrate it. He’s a hell of a signing for a side that just does budget cheapo loans

As for today’s XI, many or most of them have played their part already this season. So there is some depth to the squad. They were just shit today.

Old agendas getting a good airing today. They can’t wait to come out of the cupboard