Wilder

[Eric_Brooks]

Rightly or wrongly, depends where you sit but wilder only has a short leash and it’s a bit frayed still. Losing Sunday wokld put a lot of pressure on him from half the fans

 

[steve26272]

If someone does something unacceptable in their job, what is the suitable action that should be taken?

Was last night below par? Yeah, slightly below average performance, but it's difficult for players that don't regularly play together to look cohesive. In a team sport which contains lots of lucky moments and fine margins, there are constantly upsets, it's why we love it. Every team and every manager deliver under par performances fairly regularly. On this forum it's received as an outrage.

What do I think should be done? Nothing and move on.

As the manager he does carry more responsibility, which is demonstrated by the fact that only managers regularly get sacked for poor results. His earnings are relevant to the extent that they deviate from the norm. If we could hire a manager of a similar calibre for half the price, then it would become relevant. As it stands I can't see why it matters.

His job is to win football matches, when that match is against a team that sits below yours, and you lose, a conversation should take place - A reminder of their responsibility to the company that employs them - that is all atm.

I agree, just think we could/should have done better - outrage is a bit OTT - we threw away a 2 goal lead against a 10 men mid table at best QPR, discontent but no one was calling for his head

 

[sufcben]

Only come on when we lose? Are you really that stupid to make that claim? Clearly untrue but run with it if you need to feel better about yourself. But, you’re the one who hasn’t dealt with my point. Odd that, but running away is probably all you have.

Pleasant day? I hope you shit yourself while driving.

You aren’t a very nice individual are you but definitely see yourself as king pin on this site. Maybe get off here a bit more who knows it may make you a better person.

We lost last night in a cup we aren’t going to win using mostly young lads. Seeing some of the messages on here this morning is embarrassing.

 

[SUFCinks]

I’ve seen small snippets of a team capable of going up this season but also seen huge periods of flat, predictable, slow, unimaginative & wasteful play. Long periods where the manager has witnessed us struggling to stay in games against mediocre opponents and incapable of changing it.

Hated the Wilder signing, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as he’s here.

Overall though I can’t say i’m impressed with what i’ve seen so far, a few games time should be a better time to reflect and judge his impact.

 

[sufcben]

I’ve seen small snippets of a team capable of going up this season but also seen huge periods of flat, predictable, slow, unimaginative & wasteful play. Long periods where the manager has witnessed us struggling to stay in games against mediocre opponents and incapable of changing it.

Hated the Wilder signing, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as he’s here.

Overall though I can’t say i’m impressed with what i’ve seen so far, a few games time should be a better time to reflect and judge his impact.

We won our fist game, went 2-0 up in our second game playing some fantastic football we then pressed the self destruct button in that game. Played a team on Saturday who haven’t lost at home for a long time, completely dominated for an hour and came away with a good point.
We are a new team finding our feet not lost in the league and I’m reading stuff like this. It’s going to be a long hard season by the looks of some of our fans.

Let them bed in for crying out loud before completely wetting the bed.

 

[ColinHill]

Being realistic about it, yes it was only the League cup and if we had progressed much further the chances are we would end up getting knocked out by a 1st team plus some youngsters from a club that have a chance of going all the way such as Villa or Fulham etc. The team on paper put out should be beating a league 1 side regardless though and although good to get more minutes for some, how many more minutes do others need. Least Hamer looked like he actually woke up that night but I don't know if the pre-match talk about "there will be changes" affected attitudes but if we are looking to become an established side we need to have the depth to be able to push aside teams like that. Just putting it our there Fulham made 11 changes from the weekend and beat Birmingham 2-0 away although not the result of the season they were clinical and that is what we are lacking at the moment a clinical convincing performance. Vs Preston away great start to the season but the narrative was it should have been 3 or 4, if Preston could have hit a barn door and snuck a goal the panic would have set in.

Id disagree with the team on paper should beat them - Peck, Sachdev, Hampson, Marsh, i dont think they're at L1 level yet. Coubailly isnt. That's half a team thats L2 or below at present. RND looks rusty as did McCallum. Only really Brewster, Anel, JRS that are Championship quality players who were fit. Barnsley played pretty much their strongest team minus Cosgrove, had a point to prove after so many games without a win at home etc etc and fair play, they took control of a game against an inexperienced and experimental team. Bring Hamer, Souttar,Burrows, Brooks and say Souza on at HT and no doubt we'd win that game.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

It’s been an amazing transfer window compared to what most of us were expecting. This is a very talented team, but wilder needs to show he can keep up with the kids.

All top teams are playing the way we are. Playing 1 up with 2 wide high up pressing hard. There is no go back to 352. This team is getting perfectly built for someone.

 

[SUFCinks]

We won our fist game, went 2-0 up in our second game playing some fantastic football we then pressed the self destruct button in that game. Played a team on Saturday who haven’t lost at home for a long time, completely dominated for an hour and came away with a good point.
We are a new team finding our feet not lost in the league and I’m reading stuff like this. It’s going to be a long hard season by the looks of some of our fans.

Let them bed in for crying out loud before completely wetting the bed.

“Wet the bed”

The most one dimensional response to anything. Really ironic given the drama you put into that last paragraph.

If we play well i’ll give praise, if we play badly i’ll do the opposite. I expect more from this team even at this stage of the season. As per my last paragraph I will judge properly in a few weeks but my initial thoughts on the style of play are quite underwhelming. I think about 40% of our overall play has been decent. There is LOTS still to improve on though, and quickly.

My assessment currently though is that we need to be better.

 

[sufcben]

“Wet the bed”

The most one dimensional response to anything. Really ironic given the drama you put into that last paragraph.

If we play well i’ll give praise, if we play badly i’ll do the opposite. I expect more from this team even at this stage of the season. As per my last paragraph I will judge properly in a few weeks but my initial thoughts on the style of play are quite underwhelming. I think about 40% of our overall play has been decent. There is LOTS still to improve on though, and quickly.

My assessment currently though is that we need to be better.

We are 3 games in of course we will get better, we haven’t lost a game yet and we have stuff like this. I despair at times, do you want us playing free flowing football for 90 minutes with new team 3 games into the season? God help us when we get beat in the league it will be full on meltdowns.

 

[AWetFlannel]

His job is to win football matches, when that match is against a team that sits below yours, and you lose, a conversation should take place - A reminder of their responsibility to the company that employs them - that is all atm.

I agree, just think we could/should have done better - outrage is a bit OTT - we threw away a 2 goal lead against a 10 men mid table at best QPR, discontent but no one was calling for his head

So you really think that every time a club loses to a team below them, the owners/board should drag the manager into a meeting to explain to them what their job is and who is paying them?

I disagree, managers in football know all too well that they are held responsible. You see it on their face after every match, you see it in the papers when one gets sacked every weekend. They don't need reminding constantly and even more pressure put on them.

I appreciate that you probably weren't calling for his head after QPR, but a thread called "sack Wilder" has about 40 pages and plenty of people saying exactly that.

 

[Nick Jansky]

We are 3 games in of course we will get better, we haven’t lost a game yet and we have stuff like this. I despair at times, do you want us playing free flowing football for 90 minutes with new team 3 games into the season? God help us when we get beat in the league it will be full on meltdowns.

This was always going to be one of the problems with reappointing Wilder though. He has been grudgingly accepted back by some whereas there are others who won’t be happy until he’s gone. There is baggage, and he isn’t going to be cut much slack at all. This was all predictable and, indeed, was predicted.

 

[Bladesman]

Basically said the level is higher than some of them expected. This snowflake culture with some on here is so disappointing.

I remember him fully throwing Deano under the bus and he went onto the best goalkeeper we have had for many years.

Well given his reaction he is coming across like he wanted to get one over Barnsley and do it for the travelling fans. To do that you just don't put that side out.

It's just classic Wilder bullshit.

 

[SUFCinks]

We are 3 games in of course we will get better, we haven’t lost a game yet and we have stuff like this. I despair at times, do you want us playing free flowing football for 90 minutes with new team 3 games into the season? God help us when we get beat in the league it will be full on meltdowns.

I think you need to calm down and stop being a drama queen. It’s just my opinion you can still watch and enjoy the game.

My initial opinion is that the patterns of play and tactical changes (or lack of) are a concern. I hope they improve like every other blades fan, unless of course you think we are perfectly structured and drilled just as we are. Wilder is not a new manager to this club, he’s had a lot of time to bed his values, tactics into the team. Lets hope he sorts things out over the coming weeks.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Some players need match fitness
Some youngsters need chance to impress

How can Wilder win here? You've got fans wanting players like Peck and Marsh to be involved with the first team and he's giving them game time.

My only gripe would be that he should've had a mix 11 and players like Coulibaly shouldn't even be in squad.

 

[sufcben]

Wilder isn’t a new manager to the club but most of the players are new. Do you not think these players need a bit of time? By the way you realise we haven’t lost a league game yet don’t you? People on here talking like we haven’t got a point it’s laughable it really is.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Didn’t bother going cos I knew what was coming. This argument to giving minutes to young ones is bullshit . Instead of all this crap of using cup comps for try outs here’s a revolutionary idea Chris - Try using tactical subs early in league games regardless of if we are winning or not ! Start with your strongest team get kids / subs on EARLY problem solved

You've got fans literally wanting youngsters to stay here and not go out on loan so he's giving them game time. (Peck and Marsh)

Plays them and gets shit for it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You aren’t a very nice individual are you but definitely see yourself as king pin on this site. Maybe get off here a bit more who knows it may make you a better person.

We lost last night in a cup we aren’t going to win using mostly young lads. Seeing some of the messages on here this morning is embarrassing.

Maybe you should mind your own business on the amount of time l spend on here. It’s irrelevant. The poster l replied to is an idiot. Have a look at his posts and the arrogant “l’m right” posts. His claim l only come on here when we lose - clearly something you disagree with - sums him up. As for your opprobrium, meh.



I haven’t called for Wilder to be sacked, my concern he’s morphed into the guy we saw in PL2. I have no idea if his job is safe due to the takeover and l have some sympathy with that. The criticism of last night is down to his apparent failure to take any blame yet again. We’ve been there before, it wasn’t pretty. The only other comments are that last night should be it for Coulibaly and RND didn’t look fit. Nothing too desperate there.

 

[sufcben]

This was always going to be one of the problems with reappointing Wilder though. He has been grudgingly accepted back by some whereas there are others who won’t be happy until he’s gone. There is baggage, and he isn’t going to be cut much slack at all. This was all predictable and, indeed, was predicted.

Even I am surprised the the reaction to last night. It’s going to be all out flounce when we lose in the league.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Just seen this. Usual story. He picked the team, but it's everyone else's fault.
Yawn!

 

[sufcben]

Maybe you should mind your own business on the amount of time l spend on here. It’s irrelevant. The poster l replied to is an idiot. Have a look at his posts and the arrogant “l’m right” posts. His claim l only come on here when we lose - clearly something you disagree with - sums him up. As for your opprobrium, meh.



I haven’t called for Wilder to be sacked, my concern he’s morphed into the guy we saw in PL2. I have no idea if his job is safe due to the takeover and l have some sympathy with that. The criticism of last night is down to his apparent failure to take any blame yet again. We’ve been there before, it wasn’t pretty. The only other comments are that last night should be it for Coulibaly and RND didn’t look fit. Nothing too desperate there.

Do you want him to come out everytime we get beat and self flagellate himself screaming that he is sorry and it’s all his fault. You could see him quite clearly on the sideline gesticulating when we played it backwards. He came out last night questioning why we kept playing it backwards. If the players aren’t listening then maybe just maybe it is down to them.
For what it’s worth I think he should take responsibility for last night because of the team he picked he knows it’s always a gamble when you play such a weakened team. But we haven’t lost a game and at times looked a very good side. Everyone needs to chill out and see how it is in 10 games or so.

 

[Bladezz]

Well given his reaction he is coming across like he wanted to get one over Barnsley and do it for the travelling fans. To do that you just don't put that side out.

It's just classic Wilder bullshit.

Of course the manager wanted to win .

That’s our second choice side that needs building fitness. It’s what happens to clubs like ours in the current position.

We have released loads signed a fair amount and different stages. Like Campbell looked massively unfit.

 

[Bladezz]

Do you want him to come out everytime we get beat and self flagellate himself screaming that he is sorry and it’s all his fault. You could see him quite clearly on the sideline gesticulating when we played it backwards. He came out last night questioning why we kept playing it backwards. If the players aren’t listening then maybe just maybe it is down to them.
For what it’s worth I think he should take responsibility for last night because of the team he picked he knows it’s always a gamble when you play such a weakened team. But we haven’t lost a game and at times looked a very good side. Everyone needs to chill out and see how it is in 10 games or so.

The usual bed wetters are out after our second string lost a tight game to league one Barnsley. It’s expected. They always come out.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Even I am surprised the the reaction to last night. It’s going to be all out flounce when we lose in the league.

As I said, it was always going to happen, and is actually one of a few reasons I thought it was a mistake to bring him back.

I’ll happily admit that I didn’t want him back but I haven’t, at any time, called for him to be sacked. I think that will take care of itself in due course, especially with new owners. As a Blade, I hope he succeeds, but we’ll see what happens if & when the pressure really comes on. We saw what happened last time, and I haven’t yet seen anything to persuade me that he’s developed any sense of self awareness or humility.

 

[SUFCinks]

Wilder isn’t a new manager to the club but most of the players are new. Do you not think these players need a bit of time? By the way you realise we haven’t lost a league game yet don’t you? People on here talking like we haven’t got a point it’s laughable it really is.

I think if you read my original post it states i will pass a more robust verdict on him in a few weeks time once, as you state, players are more settled, and we have a bit more substance to critique.

People have every right to communicate there displeasure now, i believe there is lots still to work on myself but i also sympathise with the other side of the argument. When you factor in the quality of opposition though so far, then I’m definately feeling more concerned than trusting in his leadership.

 

[1987]

As I said, it was always going to happen, and is actually one of a few reasons I thought it was a mistake to bring him back.

I’ll happily admit that I didn’t want him back but I haven’t, at any time, called for him to be sacked. I think that will take care of itself in due course, especially with new owners. As a Blade, I hope he succeeds, but we’ll see what happens if & when the pressure really comes on. We saw what happened last time, and I haven’t yet seen anything to persuade me that he’s developed any sense of self awareness or humility.

I think the bit in bold is where a lot of fans are disappointing themselves. In the case on many on here, I honestly don't believe they do.

To me, Wilder PL2 was the same as Wilder Championship promotion and Wilder PL1. It just feels different when we aren't winning. Probably in the championship and PL1, there wasn't the assumption it was Wilders fault, that there is now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Do you want him to come out everytime we get beat and self flagellate himself screaming that he is sorry and it’s all his fault. You could see him quite clearly on the sideline gesticulating when we played it backwards. He came out last night questioning why we kept playing it backwards. If the players aren’t listening then maybe just maybe it is down to them.
For what it’s worth I think he should take responsibility for last night because of the team he picked he knows it’s always a gamble when you play such a weakened team. But we haven’t lost a game and at times looked a very good side. Everyone needs to chill out and see how it is in 10 games or so.

Not at all. He can discuss the game without throwing anyone under the bus. We’ve seen the same reaction in almost every game, including where it was going wrong in front of him and he prevaricated with substitutions. Costing points. As l said, my concern is do we have a manager who can make a fist of it?

There are undoubted over reactions, the other side of that coin being the claims that every critic must want him sacked, despite only a few wanting that.

 

[Nick Jansky]

To me, Wilder PL2 was the same as Wilder Championship promotion and Wilder PL1. It just feels different when we aren't winning. Probably in the championship and PL1, there wasn't the assumption it was Wilders fault, that there is now.

I don’t think that’s the case. I think his whole demeanour changes when things aren’t going well and he starts deflecting. I might be wrong, but I don’t recall him ever accepting blame.

 

[Davalon]

The reality is that we have a new team with a number of new players and that's likely going to take time to gel into the best version of themselves.

Another reality is that despite results, most balanced reasonable fans are going to want to see a purpose, a structure, some evidence of what the manager's plan is to take us forward, and that's not just playing a back four and having some wide players.

We haven't even reached the end of the window yet and being fair, it's not easy replacing so many players in a short space of time.

However, the manager has been backed better pretty well so far. Personally I'm happy with the recruitment on an individual basis but I'm unsure as to how the players are being utilised and if the current system is getting the best out of some of them. I also wonder where enough goals will come from.

Wilder looked like he had the bit between his teeth back at the end of last season and I don't doubt his desire. So far though, we've seen an inability to alter the obvious within games to halt the loss of momentum, the predictability of the same subs at the same times, and the blame passed on to others all too easily.

The difference is this time, the baggage from the previous tenure and his roles since, mean that fairly or unfairly, he won't have the prolonged support of the vast majority of the fanbase if we are perceived as under-achieving come the Autumn imho.

 

[The Crab]

Seeing as only 0.0001% of fans wanted Wilder back, hopefully the new owners will have an idea of who will be an improvement after a few more games. I've read that Mark Robbins is the best manager in the Championship... Surely we should make him an offer? He'd probably love to manage a big club that has ambitions.

Seems settled, loved by the fans and doing a good job. Also at a club on the up.

Maybe he thinks he’s better where he is settled as before he’d had a bit of a journeyman management career but he seems a good fit there

 

[Jan Age]

I will be forever grateful for the league 1… 2 championship seasons and the first PL season under wilder … forever

But from the 2nd PL season onwards it’s been downhill … even away from the club he has had 0 success and been moved on pretty quickly