Wilder wants to know what direction the club is going

[Fraggle Blade]

Gone reight well since he was appointed?

He's not brought his boots over yet, or got International clearance to play.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So to sum everything up -
The Prince isn't prepared to match McCabes investment, so he's forcing him out.
McCabe isn't prepared to match the Princes investment, so he's forcing him out.
If McCabe stays we're buggered cos he's not investing.
If the Prince takes over we're buggered because he's foreign and knows nothing about our club and heritage.
McCabe wants to leave anyway and has a string of investors waiting in the wings to take over.........(but they're ok because they're all English and know about our club and heritage).
The Prince doesn't communicate so he's evil.
McCabe communicates but apparently just lies.
Wilder hasn't a clue which direction we're going in.
We've had bids for Brooks from Spurs and Liverpool, everyone knows about this other than Wilder.

Confused, you soon will be!

Can I add - Brooks isn't injured, The Prince has only invested a pound anyway. McCabe won't give it him back. It's all Leon's fault.

 

[super_pig]

i work with a bunch of Rangers lads in Scotland. because of our banter .. and Jamie Murphy, they've almost become closet Blades. they were mightily impressed with Wilders interview on friday.. the comment was 'you'll be lucky to keep him'

 

[Tommoblade66]

You do realise that Wilder has never said he’s taken the club as far as he can and that you’ve just made it up don’t you?

I haven't made anything up, it's what they said on radio sheffield last night. Having listened to the interview again, he says he wants more from the players and that they would have done better with more financial backing in the TW. That amounts to the same thing.

 

[coolhandluke]

I haven't made anything up, it's what they said on radio sheffield last night. Having listened to the interview again, he says he wants more from the players and that they would have done better with more financial backing in the TW. That amounts to the same thing.

It amounts to far more than that and only a fool can't see it . His interview is the clearest indication yet that he's unhappy with the ale in the railway and the pies on the south stand make his blood boil .

Thank you for some wonderful times Chris . Please turn the lights out when you leave .

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Dare I say I also think he came across a bit arrogant, 'take us up, done it', 'keep us in this league, done it'. No-one knows what has been said, what promises may or may not have been made and what's going on behind the scenes but as much as a fantastic job he's done so far, he can't rest on his laurels either nor completely absolve himself from any blame for some of the results in the last few months. Yes, he can say we could have done better with more backing but then again, 90 League managers will say the same. I still think it's all psychology and games but interesting to see how it pans out, and we may not like the outcome.

 

[bartman]

I haven't made anything up, it's what they said on radio sheffield last night. Having listened to the interview again, he says he wants more from the players and that they would have done better with more financial backing in the TW. That amounts to the same thing.

He also says every other manager in the league their team would have done better with more money. Does that mean every manager is unhappy ?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Where could he go?

A manager that hasn’t been sacked yet
Back to back promotions
199 points in 2 season
Been promoted from conference and reached number 1 spot in Championship with a bottom half budget.

Carlos (Swansea) Rowett (Derby) Heckinbottom (Leeds)

Your deluded if you believe your statement.

I think it's you who are deluded if you think any of those clubs would be more appealing. How many managers have they burnt through in the last 5 years????

Like I say, if Wilder is disillusioned by this Mgt structure, wait til he goes elsewhere! Maybe he should speak to Rowett and maybe Gary Monk and get their view on how green the grass is....

 

[N20 Blade]

Dare I say I also think he came across a bit arrogant, 'take us up, done it', 'keep us in this league, done it'. No-one knows what has been said, what promises may or may not have been made and what's going on behind the scenes but as much as a fantastic job he's done so far, he can't rest on his laurels either nor completely absolve himself from any blame for some of the results in the last few months. Yes, he can say we could have done better with more backing but then again, 90 League managers will say the same. I still think it's all psychology and games but interesting to see how it pans out, and we may not like the outcome.

It’s a risky career game he’s playing; clearly an aspirational manager which is good but will he have impressed potential future employers with that outburst? The second interview yesterday was more measured and sober but with the same message and an underlying tone that could deter more than attract job offers in today’s game.

Also, he has now backed himself into a corner and tonight’s game is huge. In the unlikely event of it going well, he takes the plaudits. If it doesn’t then, what does he do next? In a few years time wherever he is, Wilder will look back and regret this approach. Irrespective, good luck to the man and thank you for the last 18 months.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Realistically though, break it down into the component parts that could have caused Wilder to be abrupt and outspoken these past few days since Hull.

Then break down the bigger reasons as to why there'd be more serious concerns about him staying longer term...

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

...or are we mithering over nowt?

The way I see it:

1. Say our playoff chances are over after Hull. That takes the pressure off the players publicly but goads the players privately to want to prove him wrong. He's asking them, are we all up for this?
2. Asks for an ownership update. He's putting pressure on the owners too, to say are we all up for this? Tell me its sorted now or that you'll sort it in the summer, either way don't let it be a distraction now. He's asking as a fan as well don't forget.

He cares, because he's a Blade and he wants promotion and he wanted his club to turn up last Friday on Sky and close the gap on the Playoff places. They didn't. He's admitted that when we lose it hurts more because of his Blade roots. It doesn't mean that anything more severe is at hand.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It’s a risky career game he’s playing; clearly an aspirational manager which is good but will he have impressed potential future employers with that outburst? The second interview yesterday was more measured and sober but with the same message and an underlying tone that could deter more than attract job offers in today’s game.

Also, he has now backed himself into a corner and tonight’s game is huge. In the unlikely event of it going well, he takes the plaudits. If it doesn’t then, what does he do next? In a few years time wherever he is, Wilder will look back and regret this approach. Irrespective, good luck to the man and thank you for the last 18 months.

Without a doubt there was a hidden dig at the owners and as you say, a risky game to play. I've no doubt the relationship / reaction of the players will be fine, it's this bubbling issue in the boardroom that is worrying, particularly given the fantastic 'coming together' we've had in the last 18 months.

 

[coolhandluke]

...or are we mithering over nowt?

The way I see it:

1. Say our playoff chances are over after Hull. That takes the pressure off the players publicly but goads the players privately to want to prove him wrong. He's asking them, are we all up for this?
2. Asks for an ownership update. He's putting pressure on the owners too, to say are we all up for this? Tell me its sorted now or that you'll sort it in the summer, either way don't let it be a distraction now. He's asking as a fan as well don't forget.

He cares, because he's a Blade and he wants promotion and he wanted his club to turn up last Friday on Sky and close the gap on the Playoff places. They didn't. He's admitted that when we lose it hurts more because of his Blade roots. It doesn't mean that anything more severe is at hand.

3. Makes us a less attractive proposition for potential investors .

 

[grafikhaus]

Now, if only Kev and the Prince could be persuaded to put aside whatever's causing this spat and give all of us - me, you, Wilder and Knill, and uncle Tom Cobley and all - the lead we've all hoped they were capable of delivering.

But is it just a 'spat'? Of course CW wants more money - which manager wouldn't? But it can't just be conjured up out of thin air. K Mc has funded losses down the years, 'The Prince' doesn't look like being the answer, so where does this magic 'foreign investment' come from?

We've been here before and, if CW decides to go, he will. But McCabe will not be held over a barrel.

 

[blade too long]

Come on, he's a fan of course he's pissed off that;

we lost to his predecessor Adkins

on reflection that is a major point
he wanted it rubber stamped how much better hes been than Adkins
its damaged his status as obviously much beter than him
petty ? hell yes ,but managers are very competitive

his wants a reaction video shows how single minded he is, and his burning ambition
losing to Adkins team hurt , he has hurt him bad,
Players must be training on hot coals today

 

[blade too long]

I think it's you who are deluded if you think any of those clubs would be more appealing. How many managers have they burnt through in the last 5 years????

Like I say, if Wilder is disillusioned by this Mgt structure, wait til he goes elsewhere! Maybe he should speak to Rowett and maybe Gary Monk and get their view on how green the grass is....

its a conundrum being a manager
look at Chris Coleman
thought he was on a winner , turn round Sunderlnd , hero to 45000, not going so good
Alan Pardew , all the credentials to save West Brom sadly hes waiting for his P45

the average life span of a manager is 10 months these days
is it worth leaving somewhere your appreciated, to risk a 10 month debacle where you might earn a bit more for 10 months but blow your future chances of more long term wealth with a club your comfortable with

its a fine line between burning ambition and burning your bridges in football

 

[LJBlade]

I haven't made anything up, it's what they said on radio sheffield last night. Having listened to the interview again, he says he wants more from the players and that they would have done better with more financial backing in the TW. That amounts to the same thing.

Yes you've made it up because Wilder never said it. Saying he would do better with more money is not the same as saying he has taken this club as far as he can.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

its a conundrum being a manager
look at Chris Coleman
thought he was on a winner , turn round Sunderlnd , hero to 45000, not going so good
Alan Pardew , all the credentials to save West Brom sadly hes waiting for his P45

the average life span of a manager is 10 months these days
is it worth leaving somewhere your appreciated, to risk a 10 month debacle where you might earn a bit more for 10 months but blow your future chances of more long term wealth with a club your comfortable with

its a fine line between burning ambition and burning your bridges in football

That's exactly my point. Coleman is a case study for letting your ego/arrogance get in the way of a sensible career decision.

Similarly Gary Monk, who seems to be a bright young Manager has had two car wrecks if spells in charge of Leeds and Middlesbrough and is now facing having to start all over again.

Tufty is as lucky to be here, as we are to have him.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

its a conundrum being a manager
look at Chris Coleman
thought he was on a winner , turn round Sunderlnd , hero to 45000, not going so good
Alan Pardew , all the credentials to save West Brom sadly hes waiting for his P45

the average life span of a manager is 10 months these days
is it worth leaving somewhere your appreciated, to risk a 10 month debacle where you might earn a bit more for 10 months but blow your future chances of more long term wealth with a club your comfortable with

its a fine line between burning ambition and burning your bridges in football

Without wishing to seem unfairly critical of Chris Coleman, but he's a joke. WBA need a relegation & subsequent clear out to move on.

I would hazard a guess that if CW went to a recently relegated prem side or a side still on parachute payments next season, he'd increase his salary at least 5 fold, if not 10 fold on a 4yr deal. If it turns sour, his bank account would be full to the brim of what the late, great Brian Clough called 'fuck you money'.

We might all be letting our imaginations run away with us at the moment, but CW is more than aware of what he has done at BDTBL this season and the budget he has done it on. I sat in a talk pre-season by KM, where he said significant monies would be invested if we were there or there abouts in January. He also said that the Prince was more interested this season due to us being in champ & his domestic duties. I've sat in similar over the years. I have listened to KM at lot since he took over & used to believe what he had to say. Now I don't. Now I won't waste another minute of my life listening to that twat.

We were there or there abouts & our star midfielder was injured and it appears that we had to borrow the money to fund our business, all £2.5m of it. Perhaps CW feels like he's done what was asked of him and is worried about what the team can do next year without serious investment. Perhaps he's also pissed off that two of the three teams coming up from the 1st Division will probably be operating on bigger budgets than us, so it gets harder again next season.

 

[TJB.]

...or are we mithering over nowt?

Quite possibly, Koz.

As I've said before, us lot can be worse than a sewing circle on here. All we have to go off is a shit defeat and a miserable interview, which obviously equals armageddon. Summet's happening behind the scenes, we know this, but we simply don't know enough about the whole picture to decipher what's really going on.

We'll know a bit more after information from the shareholders meeting on Saturday filters through onto here. A battling performance tonight will certainly make that wait a little shorter. Lose again and it could be a very, very long week.

Over to the players.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Quite possibly, Koz.

As I've said before, us lot can be worse than a sewing circle on here. All we have to go off is a shit defeat and a miserable interview, which obviously equals armageddon. Summet's happening behind the scenes, we know this, but we simply don't know enough about the whole picture to decipher what's really going on.

We'll know a bit more after information from the shareholders meeting on Saturday filters through onto here. A battling performance tonight will certainly make that wait a little shorter. Lose again and it could be a very, very long week.

Over to the players.

Donald Rumsfeld. There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.

 

[blade too long]

Without wishing to seem unfairly critical of Chris Coleman, but he's a joke. WBA need a relegation & subsequent clear out to move on.

I would hazard a guess that if CW went to a recently relegated prem side or a side still on parachute payments next season, he'd increase his salary at least 5 fold, if not 10 fold on a 4yr deal. If it turns sour, his bank account would be full to the brim of what the late, great Brian Clough called 'fuck you money'.

We might all be letting our imaginations run away with us at the moment, but CW is more than aware of what he has done at BDTBL this season and the budget he has done it on. I sat in a talk pre-season by KM, where he said significant monies would be invested if we were there or there abouts in January. He also said that the Prince was more interested this season due to us being in champ & his domestic duties. I've sat in similar over the years. I have listened to KM at lot since he took over & used to believe what he had to say. Now I don't. Now I won't waste another minute of my life listening to that twat.

We were there or there abouts & our star midfielder was injured and it appears that we had to borrow the money to fund our business, all £2.5m of it. Perhaps CW feels like he's done what was asked of him and is worried about what the team can do next year without serious investment. Perhaps he's also pissed off that two of the three teams coming up from the 1st Division will probably be operating on bigger budgets than us, so it gets harder again next season.

I think theres a distinction between ambition and money that wilder adheres to
I think hes ok for money and his ambition is to do well and earn respect above a few extra million
His burning desire is still to get his big money as a blade manager in the prem
he is first and foremost a blade , earning a fortune being one is the ultimate dream
a 4 year contract at Burnley might make him a bit richer , but all his family wins in sheffield if he becomes successful here
theres powers, acclaim and respects money cant buy

 

[derfblade.3]

I reckon Wilder wanted Forshaw and/or Lolley

Maybe why he said this then.......



Wilder, whose team travels to Reading later today ranked eighth in the Championship table, was questioned on the funds at his disposal during the recent transfer window during the pre-match media conference. “That’s not a question for me,” he responded. “That’s a question for other people. With more, of course we’d have been in a healthier position. But I don’t write the cheques. No manager does.”

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-clarity-regarding-takeover-attempt-1-9036344

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think theres a distinction between ambition and money that wilder adheres to
I think hes ok for money and his ambition is to do well and earn respect above a few extra million
His burning desire is still to get his big money as a blade manager in the prem
he is first and foremost a blade , earning a fortune being one is the ultimate dream
a 4 year contract at Burnley might make him a bit richer , but all his family wins in sheffield if he becomes successful here
theres powers, acclaim and respects money cant buy

I agree with your general view, BTL. But what if he's slowly come to the conclusion over the course of this season, that those ambitions cannot currently be achieved due to the general fuckwittery & shithousery of others? And that possibly, from his viewpoint, the chances of achieving it peaked on 1st December last year and are diminishing on monthly basis thereafter? As bigger blade as he is, he's not the type of bloke to waste his time. Also a few million extra, used correctly guarantees the financial safety of you, your children & your children's children.

 

[blade too long]

I agree with your general view, BTL. But what if he's slowly come to the conclusion over the course of this season, that those ambitions cannot currently be achieved due to the general fuckwittery & shithousery of others? And that possibly, from his viewpoint, the chances of achieving it peaked on 1st December last year and are diminishing on monthly basis thereafter? As bigger blade as he is, he's not the type of bloke to waste his time. Also a few million extra, used correctly guarantees the financial safety of you, your children & your children's children.

think its more a watershed moment to tease the board into stop puttng up temporary road signs of the way forward and set out a clear unequivocable plan, Its clear mccabes trying to cajole princey into invest or leave, until then its a frustration that needs nipping in the bud.
Wilder wants certainty, not it may be this or maybe that , If its just going to be mccabe alone he knows the backing he will get and can figure out whether he can make it work or not. I hope theres another investor waiting in mccabes waiting room

 

[itsinyerblood]

But is it just a 'spat'? Of course CW wants more money - which manager wouldn't? But it can't just be conjured up out of thin air. K Mc has funded losses down the years, 'The Prince' doesn't look like being the answer, so where does this magic 'foreign investment' come from?

We've been here before and, if CW decides to go, he will. But McCabe will not be held over a barrel.

Your right graf, of course it's far more than a spat, but given the serious nature of what appears to be happening (after all, apart from KM and the Prince, who knows exactly what's going on?) my take is that the Prince is the one who's falling short in the 'promise' department. Like most of us, the only reference I have is when the Prince first came on board. Then it was suggested that it was only when we reached the Championship that more substantial investment for players would be provided. Of course, what seems to be a promise can also be denied and re-interpreted to suit whatever purpose seems apt. So here we are, doing well, but with the potential to do so much better, and we, the supporters, none the wiser about the who's, why's, or whatever's that would throw light on the mystery surrounding whether we were meant to get further investment for further recruitment?

Something's wrong that's for sure, and if Wilder does leave it would suggest that the momentum we've enjoyed for the last 18 months would come to a halt. Of course that may not be the case, but that's the appearance we're left with. We're probably in the best shape I can recall, yet out of the blue we're presented with a dire set of circumstances that seem intent on wrecking the good work that has happened under Wilder's management.

I hope I'm wrong, but there's far more grey surrounding United's affairs at the moment than the clarity we'd all hope would be the driving force behind our progress..

 

[ghandi]

I’m not saying your wrong but it’s pure conjecture as it stands because how can Wilder have what McCabe or the HRH doesn’t seem to have?

Wilder said he knew the budget in October for the January transfer window so he’s had ample time to sort that out and negotiate a bigger one if he could’ve got one but he knows he couldn’t so there’s no point in getting the face on about it now and keep mentioning it every week in every interview he does, it’s sounding very bitter from him. Every manager wants more money!

How do we know that the total promised budget in Oct materialised in Jan?

 

[bertieblade]

Initial promises assumed we would get into the championship within one or two seasons, unfortunately this was not the case and £17 million of the Princes money was wasted treading water.
It’s an expensive pastime just to keep your head above water in anywhere other than the premiership.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Watching Adkins’s interview after Friday’s game made me wonder how differently he might have approached this issue had he been asked about it while he was still manager.

Adkins: “Do you know what the most important ship in the fleet is Andy?”

Giddings (confused): “errr....the battleship? The frigate? No, wait, the aircraft carrier surely?”

Adkins (smiling): “no Andy, no.....why it’s the ownership of course”

 

[wizadry]

How do we know that the total promised budget in Oct materialised in Jan?

I suppose the real answer is I don’t know but he got who he’d been chasing for ages and seemed really happy after it so if he wasn’t happy he should’ve perhaps stated so earlier instead of now when we start losing a few games whilst he’s playing the players he’s brought in and benching the ones who helped get us where we are today? Or maybe he’s playing the players he’s brought in to make the point of needing better players on purpose? My guess is the former.