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A couple of contiguous but unrelated articles in today's Mail on Sunday.

In one, Bielsa is hinting to leave Leeds if/when they don't go up. Should Leeds fans be worried?

Ahead of Sunday's visit of Aston Villa, the 63-year-old raised doubts about his future in charge of a squad he says is not capable of replicating their efforts of 2018-19.

'It's not up to me and I don't have any more response to that. It's not a decision we have to take now and it's not the right time to give my opinion,' said Bielsa.

Leeds have the option to retain him but two factors will be crucial - how much investment there would be, and whether one of world football's most revered coaches :rolleyes: retained the appetite after a season in which he believes fate has conspired against him.

Leeds chairman Andrea Radrizzani has provided major cash injections over the past two years and Bielsa is paid £3.4million annually, but it is to be remembered that the journey to the upper echelons of the league has been undertaken with scant use of the cheque book for new signings. This is the same Leeds squad, more or less, that dwelt in mid-table this time 12 months ago. (Yeah, tell us about it. Didn't United finish last season in 10th place? Did Leeds lose their star player at the start of the season? Has Wilder 'splashed the cash' in the last 2/3 years?)

One of the questions Leeds fans are asking after consecutive defeats by 10-man Wigan and Brentford altered the complexion of their season is why the club did not pursue a prolific goalscorer in January.

Bielsa has regularly referenced the inability to convert chances throughout their recent nosedive and promotion rivals Norwich, Sheffield United, Aston Villa and West Brom all possess strikers who have broken the 20-goal barrier.

In mitigation, injuries have restricted the appearances of both leading scorer Kemar Roofe, who misses today's game through a hip problem, and Patrick Bamford (thank God the Blades never have any injuries).

'The game against Wigan illustrates the trend that the team has been suffering all season because we have had many games that we deserved to win and didn't win.' (Gerraway! It's called 'football'.)

'We need twice as many chances as our opponents to score.'

Tellingly he added: 'Remember what I am going to say right now: you won't have one single player of our team who would re-produce the same performance, being that constant, in another season because we have been very demanding with them and they gave everything.'

And CW has let our team put their feet up for the last 3 years? I've said it on here before, Bielsa is all 'Emperor's New Clothes', a bullshitter who has the media in his pocket and who blames everything/everybody but himself. Here's his stellar managerial career:

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In the article about Wilder, the reporter - not a self-pitying manager - points out that:

'they have been away (from the PL) a dozen years after West Ham broke rules to sign Carlos Tevez and he kept them up at Sheffield's expense.

The club have hired 10 managers since to try and get back to the promised land, including Bryan Robson, Nigel Clough and the late Gary Speed, but it's taken one of their own, Chris Wilder, to do it.

He has squeezed every ounce of effort and energy from one of the Championship's more modest budgets and had to overcome plenty of hurdles.

The team were bottom of the table in August after defeats in their opening couple of games and internal squabbles between co-owners Kevin McCabe and Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia haven't helped either.

Sheffield is synonymous with steel but the men in red-and-white stripes have a lot more to their game as well.'

Thank fuck we didn't hire 'one of world football's most revered coaches' in 2016...
 

Leaving CW out of it, I think that Bielsa is a good manager. I think he's a football obsessive, who borders on the extreme. He basically devotes his life to it. His level of emotional input and the level of emotional and physical input he demands of his players means that his tenures aren't going to last long. He's been complimentary about us and the way we play. I have no time for Leeds United as a club, but I welcome Bielsa's presence in the english game, however fleeting.
 
Fat lot of good it's done 'em. Although entertaining, to hire a manager who has to use a translator isn't the height of constructive thinking.

Maybe the play-offs will see Leeds make the breakthrough they seem to think is theirs as of a right, we'll see.

Overall, the teams that achieve promotion are those that deserve the accolade, let's see who joins us.
 
He'll be off and if so Leeds will fall away again. Shame as ANY club of that size really should be in the Prem no matter what our 'rivalry' is with them.

A bit OT but a club the size of Wendy should really stay where it is and it where belongs :D:D:D
 
So Leeds stuck what they had into the coach rather than the players.

Bielsa was an interesting experiment and it might still pay off for them. Certainly he has had that squad playing better than the sum of their parts, but he's right to say he can't replicate that - exactly that happened after he got a fantastic season out of Athletic Bilbao, they were shot the season after.

And, to be fair, their best player in my view was Saiz, and he left in December.

So, in conclusion, fuck 'em.
 
That report highlights the difference between Wilder and Bielsa.

In league 1 we massively dominated possession and created loads of chances every match.

Wilders response was it’s no good dominating matches and he never blamed bad luck. He blames the poor finishing and suggested that because teams are parking the bus we need a plan B and plan C.

This season Wilder brings in on loan a big target man Madine and against certain tactic he’s been great. Hogan gives us much needed pace.

Leeds are very good but are one dimensional and have no plan B when teams park the bus. They can only play 1 way and have no tactical variety.

Thinking about it, this proves that Bielsa is limited compared to Wilder.
 
Their owner has also come in for some grief too from their supporters.

He wouldn't pay the required money to Swansea City for Daniel James*, who they're convinced would have taken LUFC to the PL.

*Wouldn't be surprised if CW/AK had him down as a potential signing now we're in the PL.
 
Sheffsteel said:
That report highlights the difference between Wilder and Bielsa.

In league 1 we massively dominated possession and created loads of chances every match.

Wilders response was it’s no good dominating matches and he never blamed bad luck. He blames the poor finishing and suggested that because teams are parking the bus we need a plan B and plan C.

This season Wilder brings in on loan a big target man Madine and against certain tactic he’s been great. Hogan gives us much needed pace.

Leeds are very good but are one dimensional and have no plan B when teams park the bus. They can only play 1 way and have no tactical variety.

Thinking about it, this proves that Bielsa is limited compared to Wilder.
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Exactly it's fine just drilling your players into doing the same things at a million miles an hour every game but when you are creating 30 chances a game and not scoring maybe you need to adapt your tactics
He's just an Argentinean pullis
 
I was talking to a mate about the interpreter and he claims that the manager does speak English and it is a ruse.
I noticed last night on the SKY coverage that they were saying that if Wilder was from overseas the media would be fawning over him (like they do Bielsa).
 
grafikhaus said:
A couple of contiguous but unrelated articles in today's Mail on Sunday.

In one, Bielsa is hinting to leave Leeds if/when they don't go up. Should Leeds fans be worried?

Ahead of Sunday's visit of Aston Villa, the 63-year-old raised doubts about his future in charge of a squad he says is not capable of replicating their efforts of 2018-19.

'It's not up to me and I don't have any more response to that. It's not a decision we have to take now and it's not the right time to give my opinion,' said Bielsa.

Leeds have the option to retain him but two factors will be crucial - how much investment there would be, and whether one of world football's most revered coaches :rolleyes: retained the appetite after a season in which he believes fate has conspired against him.

Leeds chairman Andrea Radrizzani has provided major cash injections over the past two years and Bielsa is paid £3.4million annually, but it is to be remembered that the journey to the upper echelons of the league has been undertaken with scant use of the cheque book for new signings. This is the same Leeds squad, more or less, that dwelt in mid-table this time 12 months ago. (Yeah, tell us about it. Didn't United finish last season in 10th place? Did Leeds lose their star player at the start of the season? Has Wilder 'splashed the cash' in the last 2/3 years?)

One of the questions Leeds fans are asking after consecutive defeats by 10-man Wigan and Brentford altered the complexion of their season is why the club did not pursue a prolific goalscorer in January.

Bielsa has regularly referenced the inability to convert chances throughout their recent nosedive and promotion rivals Norwich, Sheffield United, Aston Villa and West Brom all possess strikers who have broken the 20-goal barrier.

In mitigation, injuries have restricted the appearances of both leading scorer Kemar Roofe, who misses today's game through a hip problem, and Patrick Bamford (thank God the Blades never have any injuries).

'The game against Wigan illustrates the trend that the team has been suffering all season because we have had many games that we deserved to win and didn't win.' (Gerraway! It's called 'football'.)

'We need twice as many chances as our opponents to score.'

Tellingly he added: 'Remember what I am going to say right now: you won't have one single player of our team who would re-produce the same performance, being that constant, in another season because we have been very demanding with them and they gave everything.'

And CW has let our team put their feet up for the last 3 years? I've said it on here before, Bielsa is all 'Emperor's New Clothes', a bullshitter who has the media in his pocket and who blames everything/everybody but himself. Here's his stellar managerial career:

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In the article about Wilder, the reporter - not a self-pitying manager - points out that:

'they have been away (from the PL) a dozen years after West Ham broke rules to sign Carlos Tevez and he kept them up at Sheffield's expense.

The club have hired 10 managers since to try and get back to the promised land, including Bryan Robson, Nigel Clough and the late Gary Speed, but it's taken one of their own, Chris Wilder, to do it.

He has squeezed every ounce of effort and energy from one of the Championship's more modest budgets and had to overcome plenty of hurdles.

The team were bottom of the table in August after defeats in their opening couple of games and internal squabbles between co-owners Kevin McCabe and Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia haven't helped either.

Sheffield is synonymous with steel but the men in red-and-white stripes have a lot more to their game as well.'

Thank fuck we didn't hire 'one of world football's most revered coaches' in 2016...
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In my view it's class act versus cheat.
UTB
 

RossoDeltic said:
I was talking to a mate about the interpreter and he claims that the manager does speak English and it is a ruse.
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When Pochettino was in charge at Southampton he was with an interpreter, soon as he's at Tottenham Hotspur, he's conducting interviews with a David Niven voice.
 
Apart from post spygate, where Bielsa openly discussed FLDCs tactics to make a point, we are the only team he has really talked about in any detail.. Heaping huge praise on Wilder and our system. Admitting that he had tried and failed to replicate some elements of it. That speaks volumes to me.

Over to you Pep.
 
There's been some press articles at the start of the season saying that Bielsa's sides always tend to run out of steam at the latter end of the season. This is apparently because he drives them hard, playing at a fast pace and they tend to run of steam

Whilst one could argue they have failed to take their chances of late in games, it's worth noting that since the turn of the year they have lost 9 league games from 20 matches. That's not promotion form
 
Whilst I pretty much hate Leeds as a club, I like their team this year. They are entertaining, if a bit flawed and they are a reflection of the manager in that regard. Bielsa seems a decent if crazy sort of Latin American. As for the cheating stuff, I think Wilder's reaction to that summed it all up, meh!

It is interesting that form dropped off after that, but I'd wonder why. Is it due to reduced knowledge of the opposition or just the impact of the fallout or coincidence.
 
Lazarus said:
Their owner has also come in for some grief too from their supporters.

He wouldn't pay the required money to Swansea City for Daniel James*, who they're convinced would have taken LUFC to the PL.

*Wouldn't be surprised if CW/AK had him down as a potential signing now we're in the PL.
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I have wondered how things would have panned out if Hugh Jenkins hadn’t pulled the deal at the last minute.
 
Everything they do is so formulaic, they just play the same way over and over repetitively. Crossing Into the same areas ( with far too much pace on the ball ) or the pull back ,it's like watching two good players on pro evo
 
For me Bielsa is a great manager. Has a brilliant football brain and has done well at Leeds. He has openly praised us and rightly so.

We’re just lucky that our manager is better. Far better and the difference between is Chris ability to to learn, adapt and prosper with different ways of playing football.

It’s as close to total football I’ve ever seen at Bramall Lane.
 
I have found the Bielsa obsession so weird. The media have been fascinated with him from the beginning and I actually think it’s been there undoing.

A few weeks ago I watched several programs which touched on Championship promotion and not one mentioned us. Every one said Leeds and Villa to go with norwich. Essentially highlighting Bielsa as some sort of genius. Now don’t get me wrong he’s done a decent job and got them going, but if you look at his resources and squad compared with ours, it’s actually a failing that they’ve missed out.

The media circus surrounding him has essentially allowed us to submarine through without a word and an ounce of pressure, whilst Leeds have struggled to cope and thrown it away.
 
Leeds are clearly not easy to manage. He’s done a pretty good job for his first season in the most demanding second tier in the world.
 
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