Wilder to Sunderland?

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Sheffsteel said:
I keep repeating myself here.

What are we hoping to achieve by giving Wilder a new contract?

We could double it but Sunderland would pay him off and double.
So how about us trebling his contract but Sunderland would pay that off and double that.
What if we quadrupled his contract? Sunderland would pay that off and double it again.

Imagine if Nathan Thomas plays brilliant for his 1st three matches of the season.
So then he approaches Wilder saying he wants to renegotiate his contract and double it.

Wilders reply will be "work hard.... perform well on a consistent level... then the financial rewards will naturally follow, let's see how you perform over the full year".

The same view applies to Wilder himself.
If he's as good as we all think, then money is the last of his worries.
We also need to consider "2nd season syndrome". Blackwell, Wilson and Clough were all great in their first seasons, we thought we'd finally found the right man BUT in their 2nd season they went very cautious, almost negative.

The main concern for Wilder should be is SU a club that he can use as a vehicle to help him fulfil his potential?
At the moment Wilder and SU is a great match.

Another issue is why are the managers of Aberdeen and Preston refusing large pay rises by moving to far bigger clubs like Sunderland? Wilder is probably about 4th choice as manager. They are close to being taken over by new owners, so no doubt Wilder would be "dead man walking" at Sunderland as the new owners would want their own appointments.

We are probably insulting Wilders character by even thinking he might go to Sunderland.
It's the wrong club at the wrong time
BUT if Wilders main focus is short term financial gain then it's a great move for him.
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Why would it be an insult to say he might go to Sunderland?

It's not just the decent contract they can offer, having sold Pickford and parachute payments, they might be looking at a transfer budget of £30m - £40m! They need to sort out the owner situation, but if they do they could become a very attractive club to plenty of managers.
 

YES Blade said:
Why would it be an insult to say he might go to Sunderland?

It's not just the decent contract they can offer, having sold Pickford and parachute payments, they might be looking at a transfer budget of £30m - £40m! They need to sort out the owner situation, but if they do they could become a very attractive club to plenty of managers.
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It's an insult because we are saying Wilders main motivation is money, being his own salary.
On numerous occasions he talks about talking to transfer targets and if their desire to play for SU.
If that players main motivation is only money then they are the wrong type and Wilder moves on.

Sunderland are currently in a total mess and are struggling to attract an half decent manager even when their targets are offered huge pay rises. Why is that?

Agree though that once they have new owners THEN they may become a very attractive propostion but no one knows and the new owners will have their own manager targets, so any manager appointed now could be unwanted by the new owners and could easily be sacked welll before Xmas even if performing well, remember Gary Monk at Brum, new owners instantly sack Monk and bring in Zola.

Sunderland is currently a poisoned chalice of a job with a huge salary.
I think Wilder has similar principles to the Aberdeen and Preston managers and is more bothered about the bigger picture rather than a short term instant financial windfall.

I really don't believe that MONEY is Wilders overriding motivation.

Anyway Wilder doesn't need a pay rise.
I reckon since the promotion he struggles to spend his money in Sheffield.
Imagine when he walks into a pub? I'd certainly offer to buy him a pint or 3 ha ha
 
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Sheffsteel said:
It's an insult because we are saying Wilders main motivation is money, being his own salary.
On numerous occasions he talks about talking to transfer targets and if their desire to play for SU.
If that players main motivation is only money then they are the wrong type and Wilder moves on.

Sunderland are currently in a total mess and are struggling to attract an half decent manager even when their targets are offered huge pay rises. Why is that?

Agree though that once they have new owners THEN they may become a very attractive propostion but no one knows and the new owners will have their own manager targets, so any manager appointed now could be unwanted by the new owners and could easily be sacked welll before Xmas even if performing well, remember Gary Monk at Brum, new owners instantly sack Monk and bring in Zola.

Sunderland is currently a poisoned chalice of a job with a huge salary.
I think Wilder has similar principles to the Aberdeen and Preston managers and is more bothered about the bigger picture rather than a short term instant financial windfall.

I really don't believe that MONEY is Wilders overriding motivation.

Anyway Wilder doesn't need a pay rise.
I reckon since the promotion he struggles to spend his money in Sheffield.
Imagine when he walks into a pub? I'd certainly offer to buy him a pint or 3 ha ha
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when was Gary monk at. brum?? ooops!
 
I would guess CW is looking for recognition and belief from the club. He deserves both, in the way of more wages and an extended contract.

If McCabe has not sorted it yet it could look like he is waiting to see if CW can cope with the Championship and doesn't want to have to pay out too much if he decides to pull the trigger.

I am sure CW will stick to the same principals he uses to with players' negotiations regarding wages and contract terms, so will not be asking for anything more than what he feels he deserves and will not be looking to take the club to the cleaners.

McCabe and Co really need to give this some priority and give the guy the recognition and security he deserves so that everything can remain sweet.
 
Couple of things to add from reading the posts on here.

1. I would be very surprised if Wilder isn't on a shortlist for every club looking for a manager from now until he eventually does leave us. He's earned that respect. We are going to have to get used to it.

2. Sunderland are a basket case. Club in huge debt, owner wants shut, team full of very excessively paid shit, expectations that someone will come in and shift the dross and spend the parachute payments and Pickford monies to buy their way straight back up.
They might have a trnasfer budget of £40m....but how far does that get you when you have the wages they have, and the fans and board expecting high profile signings to keep them happy?

Wilder may well be a consideration, he may well go and see what they have to say. But he would be a fool to even give it a second thought when you look what he has going at United.
He has the club how he wants it, his club, and the backing of every person associated with the club. His scouting network is set....he has complete control of that and it simply wouldn't be compatible to take with him to Sunderland and get the right results they want. It's not geared up for that level of spending, and is an evolving process.

I said some time back, it would be a special opportunity which will take Wilder to leave. Not just money, but something that is too good to turn down professionally. He's one successful season from having pretty much a pick of most clubs in the premier league, baring Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham, Liverpool.
And as things stand, does he have the chance of a great season with us? Or with Sunderland?
 
Alright Grizzly I will play devil's advocate, maybe Wilder knows there's no 'championship money' available to invest and that's why he's scrapping around offering 250k for division one players and his philosophy is based on needs must and nothing else ? If that's the case he knows it's gonna be hard to push on to the next level and before long his reputation is tainted.

Then a club like Sunderland come in with a 40m transfer budget and 3 times the wages. The decision isn't quite so clear cut in that case. Now I'm hoping this isn't the case but we don't know for sure it's not so I wouldn't rule Sunderland out
 
FriethBlade said:
Alright Grizzly I will play devil's advocate, maybe Wilder knows there's no 'championship money' available to invest and that's why he's scrapping around offering 250k for division one players and his philosophy is based on needs must and nothing else ? If that's the case he knows it's gonna be hard to push on to the next level and before long his reputation is tainted.

Then a club like Sunderland come in with a 40m transfer budget and 3 times the wages. The decision isn't quite so clear cut in that case. Now I'm hoping this isn't the case but we don't know for sure it's not so I wouldn't rule Sunderland out
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I can do a simpler one than that. By not ruling himself out immediately he's sending a signal to other clubs he may consider a move; don't rule him out. And sending a signal to the board; don't take me for granted.
 
FriethBlade said:
Alright Grizzly I will play devil's advocate, maybe Wilder knows there's no 'championship money' available to invest and that's why he's scrapping around offering 250k for division one players and his philosophy is based on needs must and nothing else ? If that's the case he knows it's gonna be hard to push on to the next level and before long his reputation is tainted.

Then a club like Sunderland come in with a 40m transfer budget and 3 times the wages. The decision isn't quite so clear cut in that case. Now I'm hoping this isn't the case but we don't know for sure it's not so I wouldn't rule Sunderland out
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I don't believe he is scrapping about, but sticking to a formula that has served him very well up to now. How can anyone argue with his results using that method?
So he knows there's no Championship money? I don't think anyone really believes that after all the interviews and statements regarding the prince and the funds already part of the initial investment upon promotion. I don't believe it's in the huge bracket...but I reckon it will be more than the likes of Barnsley have available.

As for the £40m budget and triple salary....I have covered that before. £40m doesn't go far when you are EXPECTED to shop in Harrods. He will be expected to take on expensive foreign players nobody has heard of, expensive premier league players with expensive salaries.....and all the egos that come with them.
Ok....at Sunderland he's getting paid to a level he's set for life and set for his family too....I suspect he's already being paid at least £200k a year basic at the moment! He's at an age where he could possibly set himself for life with a few years at the blades, even better if successful.
But the point is, does anyone really think that money is his first priority? A consideration certainly when the football matters are right first. But not his main thought.
Success will bring the rewards, and his chances of that are far better where he is than Sunderland (at the moment at least)
 
If he stays with us, at least until his contract is up, And we don't get to the "promised land" the budgets for transfers should increase gradually, as will his salary. His stock won't take a big hit, considering what he's achieved on the resources he's had here and at other clubs.
But going to the likes of Sunderland, with a huge budget for this league, who, I would imagine will want back into the premiership 1st time of asking, and not getting close to it, as many are suggesting. Then while he may be financially better off, his ambitions may well take a hit, which seems a tad more important to him than money at the moment. Don't know off-hand how long his contract is, but I think he'll want a pop at the premiership with us. Unless, like others have said a premier club comes in for him.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Their squad is a mess and the ownership situation is up in the air.

I'm sure they can offer him more money but it's a big risk for him. He won't be afforded any time to get it right, he will have to hit the ground running and they will expect automatic promotion. Any manager in that situation with their squad could find himself sacked by October.

His stock is very high at Sheffield United and we are upwardly mobile. Provided we give him a pay rise he won't go to Sunderland. I would be far more worried if Southampton or Palace came calling.
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Well I hope you're right, but they will find a new manager ultimately, just hope its not ours.
 
FriethBlade said:
Alright Grizzly I will play devil's advocate, maybe Wilder knows there's no 'championship money' available to invest and that's why he's scrapping around offering 250k for division one players and his philosophy is based on needs must and nothing else ? If that's the case he knows it's gonna be hard to push on to the next level and before long his reputation is tainted.

Then a club like Sunderland come in with a 40m transfer budget and 3 times the wages. The decision isn't quite so clear cut in that case. Now I'm hoping this isn't the case but we don't know for sure it's not so I wouldn't rule Sunderland out
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That's what I'm thinking, does Wilder really want to be signing the players he has so far? Looking at last season he was signing players that were proven at League One level, so no doubt he would rather be signing players that have proven Championship quality and be able to really challenge for promotion next season.

Sunderland aren't in the best of shape right now, but they still have parachute payments and £30m from the Pickford sale. They could definitely be in a position to mount a serious challenge next season especially with Wilder as manager.

If Wilder is ambitious and wants to manage in the Premier League and even the Champion's League, he might see Sunderland as a risk worth taking.
 
BushBlade said:
I can do a simpler one than that. By not ruling himself out immediately he's sending a signal to other clubs he may consider a move; don't rule him out. And sending a signal to the board; don't take me for granted.
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After what's happened in the last ten years don't believe Mccabe or the prince will take Wilder for granted we finally got it right the owners for sure will take care of messrs Wilder and Knill and there coaches ,they would be complete fools if they allowed them to move on.
Don't believe for a minute Wilder head would be turned by money,he's a fan (blade)that counts for a lot.
 
Blade58 said:
A statement of intent from the board of the club wouldn't go amiss

A statement of intent from CW wouldn't go amiss either

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I don't think there's a need for a statement from either just yet. There has been nor formal approach, its just rumours. However, I do think, like everyone else, that its time we gave Wilder a new contract and it would put to bed all of this talk. Sunderland is in a mess right now but sometime soon another club will come for him who are not in a mess, just need a few results or they themselves have lost a manager and we need to give ourselves the best chance to keep Wilder, when that situation arises.
 

Sheffsteel said:
It's an insult because we are saying Wilders main motivation is money, being his own salary.
On numerous occasions he talks about talking to transfer targets and if their desire to play for SU.
If that players main motivation is only money then they are the wrong type and Wilder moves on.

Sunderland are currently in a total mess and are struggling to attract an half decent manager even when their targets are offered huge pay rises. Why is that?

Agree though that once they have new owners THEN they may become a very attractive propostion but no one knows and the new owners will have their own manager targets, so any manager appointed now could be unwanted by the new owners and could easily be sacked welll before Xmas even if performing well, remember Gary Monk at Brum, new owners instantly sack Monk and bring in Zola.

Sunderland is currently a poisoned chalice of a job with a huge salary.
I think Wilder has similar principles to the Aberdeen and Preston managers and is more bothered about the bigger picture rather than a short term instant financial windfall.

I really don't believe that MONEY is Wilders overriding motivation.

Anyway Wilder doesn't need a pay rise.
I reckon since the promotion he struggles to spend his money in Sheffield.
Imagine when he walks into a pub? I'd certainly offer to buy him a pint or 3 ha ha
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There's a world of difference between 'main motivation being money' and feeling like you're being taken advantage of. Yes, Sunderland could always offer him more than we could, but we're not even paying him what we paid Adkins- that's the difference.

I'm sure that Wilder would stay with United if he felt he was being looked after, but I fear that he feels he's being taken advantage of, at the moment. He could end this speculation by saying he's going nowhere, he hasn't.

He expects a better deal, and he should get one, and whether he goes to Sunderland or not, if he doesn't sign a new contract, we'll always be vulnerable.
 
Surely promotion would have seen him get a pay rise? The players all get pay rises and I can't see managerial contracts being any different.
 
YES Blade said:
That's what I'm thinking, does Wilder really want to be signing the players he has so far? Looking at last season he was signing players that were proven at League One level, so no doubt he would rather be signing players that have proven Championship quality and be able to really challenge for promotion next season.

Sunderland aren't in the best of shape right now, but they still have parachute payments and £30m from the Pickford sale. They could definitely be in a position to mount a serious challenge next season especially with Wilder as manager.

If Wilder is ambitious and wants to manage in the Premier League and even the Champion's League, he might see Sunderland as a risk worth taking.
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You could argue that proven Championship players cost a hell of a lot more than proven League One players, as our recieved fees for the likes of Maguire, McDonald etc. Come to The Championship and you're talking the best part of 10 million. So I think we have to be Shrewd especially this season, and then build on next season's hopeful success!
 
Jehovah said:
Well I hope you're right, but they will find a new manager ultimately, just hope its not ours.
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Put it this way, if he goes there he's a fool. Their immediate prospects look bleak.

If he gets a better offer from the Premier League at a club with good prospects then who could blame him. At the end of the day it's up to the club to keep him at United. I think it would take something extraordinary to take him away.
 
I can't see CW going anywhere without having a couple of stabs at getting us into the Prem.
He is now living out his life long dream of managing HIS club. To throw that away at the first sniff of extra cash would not make any sense. Chris is all about 'The Team' and as he has said about players wages - playing for the club comes first - playing for a salary is secondary. That's the type of player he brings into the club so why should he be any different himself?

I can honestly see CWAK managing us in the Prem and probably within 3 years. This year should be about consolidation but you can put money on us going out to win EVERY game! Draws are no good to anyone.

CWAK are with us for a long long time!
 
Take this spam off the board, fed up of seeing this unrealistic shit. People moan about far fetched signings on here, this is a far fetched departure to match any of them.
 
ChipButtyBlade said:
You believe what you want to,if they wrote Sky "understands" that shit tastes nice toasted would you believe them.
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No, when they say a football club is interested in signing a manager I believe them.
 

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