Wilder skulking off at the end of the game

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Sheffsteel said:
He was on the Talksport show with Tony Cascarono and Natalie Sawyer at 9.35am.

He sounded really down, said last night was very difficult for him, his family and the players.
He said they stayed at the Hilton last night and he can still see the Wembley Arches from where he’s standing, said he bumped into Nathan Jones (the Charlton Athletic manager), last night and told him it’s place for losers, so wishes them the best of luck for their game today against Leyton Orient.

Wilder thanked the owners for their kind words of support last night and said he’s confident they are very much committed and here for the long haul.
He also said he’s received a text last night from his friend Paul Heation who has invited him to his concert today at Bramall Labe, so he may go there.

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family, he then thanked his family and friends (Unitedites) for their support. Said he’ll return with batteries refreshed and up for the fight and mentioned all the positives at the club, regards the stature of the club and the young players coming through. Wilder also said he understood the negativity he’s receiving on social media,

When the interview finished Cas and Natalie praised Wilder for showing leadership by showing his face the morning after a defeat.
They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.
They also read out a text from a Liverpool fan praising Wilder for giving an interview so soon after a bad defeat.

To be honest…it’s true….it does show leadership to face the music so quickly after a massive disappointment.
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So fucking what?
 

It must be very difficult for him atm as he is one of us and cares so much. He probably feels that he's partly responsible for letting the fans and the club down. I think mistakes were made yesterday tactically so he has to own those, but he wasn't responsible for the mistakes made on the pitch by individual players. I know i could hardly speak to anyone after the match and just wanted to be left alone. I bet he probably felt the same. I'm just starting to come round again and feel so bit better about it all.

He's right, he needs a rest, a change of scenery for a week or two, go away on holiday etc, and then go again. Use the disappointment as fuel for next season, where it will be more satisfying as a fan than getting pumped every week in the PL with VAR involved.

I still think he's the right man for us atm (i can understand others having a different opinion mind) but he does need to learn to play 2 up top every game, play people in their natural positions, have the team attacking more with quicker tempo yo our play, and get the players being able to do 90 mins. That and start getting rid of done of his favourites like JLT. If JLT is ever present next season again then we won't do anything again. Fair play to him for fronting up this morning though.
 
Weasel said:
Well some of us are interested to hear what he said this morning. That's fucking what.
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I couldn't really give a toss, actions speak louder than words, if he'd come out and admitted he'd derailed our promotion attempt with a series of disastrous decisions and utterly idiotic ones like putting an injured player on as sub I'd be minded to listen.

5 play off finals now 2 of them managed by "big blades" I'm sick of it now and no words from him nor any of the other series of bottlers is worth listening to. IMO
 
He brought Seriki on right at the end of the match.
He was wide on the touch line with no one in front of him, Choudhury had the ball in our half.
Seriki was screaming for the ball yet it was passed backwards.

And that my friends is why he should go.

We sat too deep,
We invited them on
We played into their hands
We had previously played through midfields when Moore was unfit, today our only plan was lump ball to his head.
Instinct of too many players is safety first, pass it back
Get in front and sit in, in the hope they do not score.
 
I missed the interview and agree it takes strength to go on national radio the morning after such a defeat. However it seems he talked a lot about himself, but did he accept any accountability? After a recent game one championship manager said that he took “full responsibility “and that he was “ accountable for the team's performance, tactics, and player decisions, emphasizing that he does not want to blame the players.“ True leadership is passing on the praise to the team when things go well, and taking on the blame when things go badly.
 
Pollingtonblade said:
I couldn't really give a toss, actions speak louder than words, if he'd come out and admitted he'd derailed our promotion attempt with a series of disastrous decisions and utterly idiotic ones like putting an injured player on as sub I'd be minded to listen.

5 play off finals now 2 of them managed by "big blades" I'm sick of it now and no words from him nor any of the other series of bottlers is worth listening to. IMO
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Big Baby
 
Cheeky Blade said:
Lot for Wilder to weigh up about whether it’s best for him, his family and the club to carry on.

Owners will ultimately have the final say but I think there is a good chance he might draw the line here.
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He said in the interview, he has the backing of owners will dust down and go again..
 
Pollingtonblade said:
I couldn't really give a toss, actions speak louder than words, if he'd come out and admitted he'd derailed our promotion attempt with a series of disastrous decisions and utterly idiotic ones like putting an injured player on as sub I'd be minded to listen.

5 play off finals now 2 of them managed by "big blades" I'm sick of it now and no words from him nor any of the other series of bottlers is worth listening to. IMO
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4 of them managed by people ingrained in old school ways of effort, brawn and a defensive mindset first over technical ability and playing effective attacking football (Warnock, Blackwell, Morgan and Wilder). Wilson was the only one who actually had us playing football despite the play offs ending in disaster.
 
Cheeky Blade said:
Lot for Wilder to weigh up about whether it’s best for him, his family and the club to carry on.

Owners will ultimately have the final say but I think there is a good chance he might draw the line here.
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For his own mental health he should step back, I don't think it's healthy for anyone who's so emotionally invested in the club and community to be in the drivers seat.
 

bertieblade said:
He brought Seriki on right at the end of the match.
He was wide on the touch line with no one in front of him, Choudhury had the ball in our half.
Seriki was screaming for the ball yet it was passed backwards.

And that my friends is why he should go.

We sat too deep,
We invited them on
We played into their hands
We had previously played through midfields when Moore was unfit, today our only plan was lump ball to his head.
Instinct of too many players is safety first, pass it back
Get in front and sit in, in the hope they do not score.
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Can't disagree with anything there except the Wilder should go comment.

Id be inclined if I was the owner to give him another crack at it next season, but he has to learn from his mistakes. The game and the mistakes made were a reflection of the season on the whole. He absolutely needs to reflect, realise his mistakes made and stop repeating them. Be more positive and try getting goals to take games away from the opposition rather than hanging in to 1 goal leads as that can backfire. He learns, then he should get the gig again. He still thinks Robinson is a starter etc, then he needs to bo told to clear out his desk.
 
Sheffsteel said:
He was on the Talksport show with Tony Cascarono and Natalie Sawyer at 9.35am.

He sounded really down, said last night was very difficult for him, his family and the players.
He said they stayed at the Hilton last night and he can still see the Wembley Arches from where he’s standing, said he bumped into Nathan Jones (the Charlton Athletic manager), last night and told him it’s place for losers, so wishes them the best of luck for their game today against Leyton Orient.

Wilder thanked the owners for their kind words of support last night and said he’s confident they are very much committed and here for the long haul.
He also said he’s received a text last night from his friend Paul Heation who has invited him to his concert today at Bramall Labe, so he may go there.

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family, he then thanked his family and friends (Unitedites) for their support. Said he’ll return with batteries refreshed and up for the fight and mentioned all the positives at the club, regards the stature of the club and the young players coming through. Wilder also said he understood the negativity he’s receiving on social media,

When the interview finished Cas and Natalie praised Wilder for showing leadership by showing his face the morning after a defeat.
They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.
They also read out a text from a Liverpool fan praising Wilder for giving an interview so soon after a bad defeat.

To be honest…it’s true….it does show leadership to face the music so quickly after a massive disappointment.
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He showed no leadership at the end or seemingly in the hour or two afterwards.

As for no negativity on social media, it's everywhere without having to look for it. From Blades and then supporters of umpteen clubs taking the piss.
 
I am a Wilder fan and I would keep him here if I believed he:

1. Was capable of learning from his mistakes
2. Has learnt how to better spend money when transfer fees are involved
3. Was able to identify when players are ready to be moved on (and not hang onto them for one or two seasons too many)
4. Had become more tactically astute
5. Had learned to control his emotions, particularly, removing the classless behaviour from his actions.

Unfortunately, I have seen no evidence of this. Hence I think it might be time to let him go.
 
Ok so it’s like this ( in my opinion) if you get to watch a fair bit of football either there or on tv there are ways of playing . Leeds manager attack minded poor defensively. Burnley manager good defensively boring going forward . There ain’t allot of Pep replacements knocking about at this level . I’ve noticed a shift from possession football to a more direct faster pace game plan. See it more in European leagues . We haven’t changed have we . Palace / Tottenham all play on the front foot along with bin dippers . Can we employ a coach who can inspire not be a fan . And let’s be honest our support sometimes. We don’t put a show on do we like Bristol did for home leg . Get bums on seats sell the club as an exciting place to go and support . Promote our important place as a club in the history of football . Sell the fucking dream come on !
 
Sheffsteel said:
He was on the Talksport show with Tony Cascarono and Natalie Sawyer at 9.35am.

He sounded really down, said last night was very difficult for him, his family and the players.
He said they stayed at the Hilton last night and he can still see the Wembley Arches from where he’s standing, said he bumped into Nathan Jones (the Charlton Athletic manager), last night and told him it’s place for losers, so wishes them the best of luck for their game today against Leyton Orient.

Wilder thanked the owners for their kind words of support last night and said he’s confident they are very much committed and here for the long haul.
He also said he’s received a text last night from his friend Paul Heation who has invited him to his concert today at Bramall Labe, so he may go there.

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family, he then thanked his family and friends (Unitedites) for their support. Said he’ll return with batteries refreshed and up for the fight and mentioned all the positives at the club, regards the stature of the club and the young players coming through. Wilder also said he understood the negativity he’s receiving on social media,

When the interview finished Cas and Natalie praised Wilder for showing leadership by showing his face the morning after a defeat.
They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.
They also read out a text from a Liverpool fan praising Wilder for giving an interview so soon after a bad defeat.

To be honest…it’s true….it does show leadership to face the music so quickly after a massive disappointment.
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'Leadership' is about
accepting responsibility
Your part in it
Acknowledging 35k supporters
Not flouncing off
Not being p*ssed up and embarrassing us
Being able to behave properly
Not fronting up other teams players

Chris is about himself and 'his' job
 
54yrblade said:
He's not dealing with the owner he sucked up to and reset his relationship with (digging his tunnel back while Hecky was still in the dugout. Yeah thats our Chris)
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Three cheers I've been saying he stabbed Hecky in the back many times with his not so secret meetings with PA resulting in Hecky getting the boot so "King Mardy Arse" could crawl back into The Lane. But many of his worshippers on here won't have any of it. The same crowd that think it is OK to have had 6 fines totaling £445,000.
 
Wilder still the man for me, but only if (a big if) he changes his ideology. Part of my believes he’s played this style because he was doing a big re-build job and felt like this was the best way to play with who he had at is disposal. The big issue is we are now likely to lose our biggest goal contributor and biggest defensive asset. And for me, he’s going to have to change the style.
 
Blades1971 said:
Question. Why are Campbell and Hamer never completing 90 minutes. It appears there is something wrong with their conditioning
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And yet last summer Wilder made it clear that the pre-season training would be the toughest the players hade ever faced in order to get them in the correct condition.

In addition he said that they would be looking at the issue of too many injuries (an unfair dig at Hecky in my opinion).

As it turns out injuries and fitness of players to play for 90 minutes has been an issue all season.

If Campbell was only going to play his usual 65 minutes yesterday then it was crucial that we took as many of the chances created as possible while he was on the pitch.

Ignoring the VAR 1-0 at half time wasn't good enough.

The substitutions have been criticised but our approach to the whole of the second half was the key factor.

I went yesterday with a real positive view that this was our year believing that if the right United team turned up we wouldn't have any problems.

The right United team turned up in the first half but even though they were the same players it was a completely different team in that second half.

That's what I just don't understand.
 

Wilder has said quite a few worrying things in his interviews yesterday. I get that he was emotional and down. Most shocking for me was 'we are left scratching our heads as to how we've not won promotion'. Er...can he not see that we sat back all second half, we passed it backwards when in decent attacking positions, we played players who are always prone to a mistake, left better options on the bench. These have been problems all season. It is pretty unbelievable he cannot see this.

The whole not spoken to the players in the 90 mins after full time was odd as well.
 
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