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Tough injury run but one way or another Wilder's not found a way.
At the moment it's hard to see where another win's coming from and it's not clear Wilder knows how to set us up in the absence of key players.
Maybe there's simply nothing he can do but going a bit more negative, even a bit long ball, scrapping a few draws might not be a bad idea in the short term.
 

Whatever he did today we would have lost. We were punching above our weight before the injuries. Now we are literally playing a League One team in the championship.

The biggest fault you could aim at Wilder or the board is believing we could get by when injuries hit. The injuries have been ridiculous and the stand ins haven't taken their chances.
 
Let be honest we given the complete lack of any substantial investment in the squad, compared to the rest in the division, we would all have taken mid table before the season started and that looks like where we will end up

Wilder has worked miracles
 
FriethBlade said:
Wilder is not surprisigly struggling with half a team out but it also reinforces the fact that if the board don' t invest 'Championship money 'it will be difficult to take the club further.
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Know we need reinforcements but we're in danger of writing off the rest of 2017 the way we're going.
Shame if we chucked away a chance at the play-offs.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Tough injury run but one way or another Wilder's not found a way.
At the moment it's hard to see where another win's coming from and it's not clear Wilder knows how to set us up in the absence of key players.
Maybe there's simply nothing he can do but going a bit more negative, even a bit long ball, scrapping a few draws might not be a bad idea in the short term.
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Tough injury run, end of.
 
It's not hard to see where another win's coming from. If we play like we did against Bristol City a mere 8 days ago we'll turn over a fair few teams in this division. We've had some shitty luck and a couple of genuinely poor performances but no reason to give up yet.
 
Will be a different game against Villa next week. Shouldn't be fearing it, whatever injuries we've got.

Apart from everything else, we're really not suited as things stand for going up against these scrappy, in-your-face sides on their own patches. QPR, Millwall, now Preston - flopped each time (even with Coutts, even with Fleck).

We need a Ryan Leonard type, with an engine but who can play a bit. Just hope that him getting himself sent off today is a sign he's on his way out at Southend.
 
We need to buy in January and I don’t mean the plans to spend about £3m on two or three players, in the current market you won’t get much better than the quality we have in the back up squad now.

We need to spend around £7 - 8m on three players (two midfielders and a forward) if that is beyond the currrent owners limits then they have taken us as far they can.
 
dc_blade said:
It's not hard to see where another win's coming from. If we play like we did against Bristol City a mere 8 days ago we'll turn over a fair few teams in this division. We've had some shitty luck and a couple of genuinely poor performances but no reason to give up yet.
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We're alternating promising but ultimately fruitless games at home with terrible performances away.

However even against Bristol City we gave away stupid goals and seemed like we couldn't hit a barn door down the other end. These factors do not make for a good run of results.
 
Guesty said:
We're alternating promising but ultimately fruitless games at home with terrible performances away.

However even against Bristol City we gave away stupid goals and seemed like we couldn't hit a barn door down the other end. These factors do not make for a good run of results.
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I'm not saying there aren't some problems and we were shocking today and against Milwall, but this "can't see where another win will come from" is a massive exaggeration.
 

Pedro's Winger said:
Tough injury run but one way or another Wilder's not found a way.
At the moment it's hard to see where another win's coming from and it's not clear Wilder knows how to set us up in the absence of key players.
Maybe there's simply nothing he can do but going a bit more negative, even a bit long ball, scrapping a few draws might not be a bad idea in the short term.
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Wilder knows how to set us. The difference this season is the lads who've not been in the side much aren't stepping up now that they're getting a run. Last season fringe players all contributed to a significant degree. Not the case at this current point in time.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Exactly. The point is Wilder hasn't yet met the challenge of overcoming adversity.
There's every chance we'll lose again against Villa unless Wilder finds a way of putting a more solid 11 out.
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'Wilder hasn't yet met the challenge of overcoming adversity'.

What about the adversity he faced (without the benefit of any brownie points) after the first four games last season.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Tough injury run but one way or another Wilder's not found a way.
At the moment it's hard to see where another win's coming from and it's not clear Wilder knows how to set us up in the absence of key players.
Maybe there's simply nothing he can do but going a bit more negative, even a bit long ball, scrapping a few draws might not be a bad idea in the short term.
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Do one Pig,concentrate on your own team,languishing in mid table
 
bornablade said:
'Wilder hasn't yet met the challenge of overcoming adversity'.

What about the adversity he faced (without the benefit of any brownie points) after the first four games last season.
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bornablade said:
'Wilder hasn't yet met the challenge of overcoming adversity'.

What about the adversity he faced (without the benefit of any brownie points) after the first four games last season.
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Yes he did but we've now got one point against the bottom of the league team since Coutts' broke his leg.
I bet I'm not the only one who had Preston on their coupon today and Wilder needs to find a way of overcoming what currently seems inevitable.
Doesn't mean Wilder hasn't done a great job, just means he has to find a way to meet the current challenge and so far he hasn't.
 
Roygbiv said:
Whatever he did today we would have lost. We were punching above our weight before the injuries. Now we are literally playing a League One team in the championship.

The biggest fault you could aim at Wilder or the board is believing we could get by when injuries hit. The injuries have been ridiculous and the stand ins haven't taken their chances.
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I agree to a certain extent but Stevens, O'Connell, Sharp, Basham have to all do much better than that. Probably add a few more. They were all dominated in individual battles. So even with poor contributions of Lundstram and Carruthers, we cannot carry 8 or 9 players. I felt other than stearman, Clarke and Moore and the lad who came on, the rest were pathetic today. They did not even harry, tackle or press and tossed the ball away in possession.

He says he is not changing the formation and we have noone else to bring in other than kids (can only think of Thomas and Hanson as senior players not involved today - they cannot be seen as any part of our future if the lad Slater is getting in ahead of them and that is no offence to him).

I think we just have too grin and bear next 3 or 4 games and hope we can nick a win veruss maybe Sunderland or Bolton.
 
Wilder out..........??????

Peaks and fucking troughs, didn't anyone expect them to happen? Yet when we lose the basis of our midfield with 3 players of significance missing, why is anyone surprised? Yet contrary to what I'd suggested, some of us are!

Not too long ago we achieved wonders, we'd beaten the pigs, were well placed in this division, and generally deserved what we achieved, but Coutts breaks a leg and we begin to unravel.
Anyone questioning Wilder's competence given what's happened must have bypassed all of this. Look at any successful manager, put them under the cosh, and see how they perform. This is a learning curve for CW, so my advice is give the guy some support. Just because he doesn't reflect a supporter's opinion doesn't suddenly make him mediocre. What it does is offer a test that he'll respond to, it might take a little time, but for fuck's sake please don't panic. I wrote a thread elsewhere suggesting that it won't be the end of the world if we don't achieve promotion this season. If this happens to be what coming up from Division 1 means, then I'll take it and see how we strengthen for next season.

Reading some opinions on here is like observing those parents who shout at their kids for not doing as the parent's expected. That's the way to improve your kids, give 'em a bollocking! So it is with critiquing a manager. For what it's worth, I hold Chris Wilder in high esteem. He may prove me wrong, he may disappoint, but I'll wager that he'll learn from this and become a better manager, and as a result we'll benefit.

We lost a game today, and by all accounts most of the players offered very little that impressed. So, let Wilder deal with this. If the likes of Carutthers, or anyone else, can't take their chance then it's likely they'll be moved on. It's not the mistakes that concern me, it's the way we respond to them. This is where CW will earn his corn. Don't forget, this time last season we were a Division 1 fixture, a part of that division's scenery, and a year on we're in the Championship, so panic if you want, but if you think that panicking will help you're wrong.
 
A reminder of the 8 game run Huddersfield went on last season between 16th October and 3rd December

Lost 1-0 Home v Pigs
Lost 3-1 Away at Preston
Won 1-0 Home v Derby
Lost 5-0 Away at Fulham
Drew 1-1 Home v Birmingham
Lost 3-2 Away at Cardiff
Lost 2-1 Home v Wigan
Drew 1-1 Away at Blackburn

5 points in 8 games. With some familiar names in there (along with a couple of ultimately relegated sides)!

Good sides go through challenging periods.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Know we need reinforcements but we're in danger of writing off the rest of 2017 the way we're going.
Shame if we chucked away a chance at the play-offs.
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Drama Queen alert
Did you actually expect to get more than a point out of todays game with a mid field of Basham Lundstram and Carruthers
 
I wish people would just calm the fuck down!!!!!!!! Who really thought we would be in the top 6 come Christmas. I for one am enjoying the ride, don't get me wrong it hurts when we lose a game but in all honesty we do not have a divine right to be up there. Wolves have spent MILLIONS and we have spent peanuts in comparison but we spanked them at the Lane. We were always going to have a dodgy spell and combined with an awful injury list the squad is threadbare but the remit for this season was always about staying in the division and kicking on from there the following season. Already the taken us as far as they can comments are popping up!. Get real. We are 10 points above the pigs and I for one will be happy if the season ends with the same gap. This is when we will find out how good a manager Wilder is and how committed the board are to backing him, but fuckin hell just let em get on with it !!!!!!!!! UTB!
 
Deadbat said:
I think we just have too grin and bear next 3 or 4 games and hope we can nick a win veruss maybe Sunderland or Bolton.
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Whilst I agree with that a problem looming is hot on the heels of Bolton comes the Pigs game on the 12th of January and history shows we will probably not have done our Transfer business before then.

I don’t think many will simply be able to grin and bear it if we produce a performance like today in that one, we are at some point going to have to get better out of what we have as well.
 
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Deadbat said:
I agree to a certain extent but Stevens, O'Connell, Sharp, Basham have to all do much better than that. Probably add a few more. They were all dominated in individual battles. So even with poor contributions of Lundstram and Carruthers, we cannot carry 8 or 9 players. I felt other than stearman, Clarke and Moore and the lad who came on, the rest were pathetic today. They did not even harry, tackle or press and tossed the ball away in possession.

He says he is not changing the formation and we have noone else to bring in other than kids (can only think of Thomas and Hanson as senior players not involved today - they cannot be seen as any part of our future if the lad Slater is getting in ahead of them and that is no offence to him).

I think we just have too grin and bear next 3 or 4 games and hope we can nick a win veruss maybe Sunderland or Bolton.
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Fair points though I would maybe cut Basham a bit of slack as he has been all over the place recently. It must be hard having to adapt to a different position every week up against players who are obviously far better than you in those positions. Stevens has been poor for over a month now and whilst I'm no big fan of Lafferty , he deserves a chance now. O' Connell could easily be taken out for Wright too.
 
Pedro Verde said:
Drama Queen alert
Did you actually expect to get more than a point out of todays game with a mid field of Basham Lundstram and Carruthers
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Without wishing to go OTT, I think that's rather the point - We were top six games ago, now with a couple more players missing we're going to the likes of Preston hoping that we don't get beat too heavily. The reason is simple, beyond the first 11 our squad isn't great.
 

'The challenge' being? Continue to push for promotion will a newly promoted side on one of the smallest budgets in the division, whilst having injury/illness/suspension problems?

The challenge for Wilder, quite simply, is to avoid relegation this season. Anything else is a bonus.
 
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