Wilder not 'appeh......

[LJBlade]

Not true

You were predicting that we'd sell Brooks in this transfer window. That hasn't happened and you seem to have gone really quiet on that topic.

 

[Chali 2na]

The players and their agents hold too much power and something should be done to deal with the problem.

Agents only have the power given to them by their clients.
I think the players are right to be powerful and make a big piece of the pie - they're the ones we're coming to watch

 

[Carlton Blade]

We've got cover in most places now. Donaldson seems like a candidate to play up top on his own when we are away at better sides. Not a perfect window but we are definitely better now than we were in May.

 

[davidblade]

He's been forced to say that by McCabe, pointing a revolver at his temple.

All our bids were decided by McCabe. They were deliberately at a gross undervalue (albeit not a single club in the entire world was prepared to pay more) so as to ensure that we did not have to actually spend anything (the ten players we've brought in this window were free gifts from other clubs and have agreed to waive any wage or salary whatever).

Wilder is a complete patsy who is going along with all this whilst telling lie after lie to the fans in order to cover up his pivotal part in this bizarre and thoroughly dishonest charade.

You'd think they'd just make no offers at all, rather than conducting a transparent publicity stunt that our intellectual fans see through anyway. What's the point? It would save a great deal of time and trouble all round.

Thanks for the insight Kev

 

[Grizzly blade]

They do. The PFA provide that service for free, or a small fee, if they want it. Some of them don't even use agents: James Milner was a prominent example of that.

But players are told by agents they can get better deals from the PFA. And they are often right, I am sure.

I would rather have agents in the game than have young players being poorly advised and, in some cases, flat out misled on a regular basis.

Personally, I would consider hiring a solicitor who negotiates commercial or employment contracts. Much cheaper and you get someone who will fight your corner.

Use a solicitor and everything will slow to a standstill. They are in the majority as crooked as anyone!
As for young players being poorly advised...the PFA are there and are solely there to look after the interests of their player. That might mean they place more emphasis on the players needs than just money, which as we know is the opposite of most agents.

You know it's disgusting that these scum agents hang around academies, tap up young lads offering them free stuff, claiming they can get them more money, cars...etc etc...if they let them deal with their business. It is them taking advantage of young players and getting in their ear with manipulating talk and taking their eye off the ball.

No surprise to me that two young players were lost due to interference from agents, would love to know what went on but you can bet your mortgage money is the answer!

 

[Tyler Durden]

Agents are massively important for the majority of players.

Most players (sorry to say) aren't that bright, for whatever reason. For these players, someone with negotiating experience, knowledge of contract law and confidence is the difference between getting a good and bad deal.

The problem isn't agents, it's bad agents.

The PFA already fulfills all of those roles, without fucking clubs over and causing strife.

 

[Revolution]

Use a solicitor and everything will slow to a standstill. They are in the majority as crooked as anyone!

Nonsense

 

[Grizzly blade]

Agents only have the power given to them by their clients.
I think the players are right to be powerful and make a big piece of the pie - they're the ones we're coming to watch

By the time these players are at the stage they can start making demands, they have had an agent in their ear manipulating them and making them feel they can't manage without one. It's also seen by some of these kids to be a kind of kudos! You aren't a good player if you haven't got an agent!
Agents have also often managed to tie these kids into contracts with them....where was the legal advice when this was happening? There won't have been any.

As someone said, most these lads have no idea about law, contracts etc. They just want to play football and leave someone else to look after it and they sign. But most of the time we hear that players were happy and yet it still falls through. Something is wrong

 

[Grizzly blade]

Nonsense

Nope.
They get paid for time. As soon as they realise the money to be made they would milk it for all its got, the same as agents.
Politicians....legal profession. Up there as the least trustworthy people you can have and no surprise so many politicians have a legal background.

 

[Revolution]

Nope.
They get paid for time. As soon as they realise the money to be made they would milk it for all its got, the same as agents.
Politicians....legal profession. Up there as the least trustworthy people you can have and no surprise so many politicians have a legal background.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Chali 2na]

The PFA already fulfills all of those roles, without fucking clubs over and causing strife.

You are right, but if you were in court, would you want your own lawyer?

Not all agents fuck clubs over and cause strife.

 

[Grizzly blade]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Really? And you do?
Not going to get into a debate over who knows more..:that's my learned opinion. You won't change it.

 

[grafikhaus]

Agents are about networking, being able to contact clubs and broker deals.

Pimps, in other words.

 

[Tyler Durden]

You are right, but if you were in court, would you want your own lawyer?

Not all agents fuck clubs over and cause strife.

But it's not court, it's a negotiation with your employer. In which case you'd have a representative from a recognised trade union instead of some spiv twat on the make.

 

[PeteBlade]

Hatred of McCabe mainly plus intense dislike of any other member of the Board

Thought as much.
Guesswork and standard negativity dressed up as "telling it like it is".

 

[Revolution]

Really? And you do?
Not going to get into a debate over who knows more..:that's my learned opinion. You won't change it.

Yes, I know a lot about solicitors and how they charge and bill. I suspect more than you do. The statement that a majority of solicitors are crooked is ill informed at best and downright ignorant at worst.

As you say, you won't change your opinion. It's easier to make sweeping statements based on nothing. Best leave it there.

 

[him behind you]

Just seen the interview. Clearly the agents have scuppered the deals with no thought for their players.

CWs comments along the lines of people wouldn't believe what's happened to stop us getting the deals done and it being nothing to do with anything at our club are intriguing. I hope he tells us exactly what's happened.

 

[Harrisblade]

The PFA already fulfills all of those roles, without fucking clubs over and causing strife.

But they're not really pushing the boat out to obtain maximum benefit for THEIR client.
Imperfect as they are. agents are out to get the best deal for one individual.
If clubs get fucked that's not the players problem and nor should it be.
(Anyone who can be convinced to pay £162m for a footballer deserves to be fucked)

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Agents are fucking twats.

I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Chali 2na]

But it's not court, it's a negotiation with your employer. In which case you'd have a representative from a recognised trade union instead of some spiv twat on the make.

Well like I say, they're not all bent - regardless of whether or not you choose to recognise this.

 

[Chali 2na]

Agents are fucking twats.

I think we can all agree on that.

I can't

 

[Torrix1889]

All we can do is speculate what happened.

The Cole deal appeared to break down because Fleetwood upped their asking price to £1m.....Cole was evidently unhappy and wanted to come...is this an agent at work or the selling club playing hardball?

With regards to Quina then this maybe more about playing time rather than an agent holding out for more money....premier league teams send out players on loan for one main reason, to get them playing football, either for their own benefit playing wise or to get them in the shop window........

This was very telling;

Although the exact reason behind United’s decision to abort the deal remains unclear, manager Chris Wilder has previously stated that he will not process any agreement which guarantees a player first team football at Bramall Lane. Cameron Carter-Vickers and Jamal Blackman, signed on loan from Spurs and Chelsea respectively, both agreed to compete for a starting place in United’s squad.

Sinclair would have got regular football, you would have thought, so maybe that one was holding out for a higher salary, (remember Norwich were supposed to have been in for him and maybe offered more) rather than a guarantee of first team football.

 

[8lade]

CWs comments along the lines of people wouldn't believe what's happened to stop us getting the deals done and it being nothing to do with anything at our club are intriguing. I hope he tells us exactly what's happened.

CW offered to do an interview about his dealings on Deadline Day, I would be really interested to hear that!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I can't

Do they benefit the game?
Do they achieve much that is not twattish?

 

[Grizzly blade]

Yes, I know a lot about solicitors and how they charge and bill. I suspect more than you do. The statement that a majority of solicitors are crooked is ill informed at best and downright ignorant at worst.

As you say, you won't change your opinion. It's easier to make sweeping statements based on nothing. Best leave it there.

You might know the few fair and honest solicitors. How do you know it's not you who is ill informed? Perhaps my experience is wider than yours...either way I don't care. I've gathered my opinion based on experience.

Sadly, these people are necessary. Like bankers...politicians...car salesman...estate agents!

 

[Reynoldo]

Agents' interests seem to come well before the players' nowadays.

It must be beyond infuriating dealing with them.

If the agents

All we can do is speculate what happened.

The Cole deal appeared to break down because Fleetwood upped their asking price to £1m.....Cole was evidently unhappy and wanted to come...is this an agent at work or the selling club playing hardball?

With regards to Quina then this maybe more about playing time rather than an agent holding out for more money....premier league teams send out players on loan for one main reason, to get them playing football, either for their own benefit playing wise or to get them in the shop window........

This was very telling;

Although the exact reason behind United’s decision to abort the deal remains unclear, manager Chris Wilder has previously stated that he will not process any agreement which guarantees a player first team football at Bramall Lane. Cameron Carter-Vickers and Jamal Blackman, signed on loan from Spurs and Chelsea respectively, both agreed to compete for a starting place in United’s squad.

Sinclair would have got regular football, you would have thought, so maybe that one was holding out for a higher salary, (remember Norwich were supposed to have been in for him and maybe offered more) rather than a guarantee of first team football.

Did Sinclair end up going to Norwich? I believe Wilder is not one for covering situation up and saying it how it is - clearly the united board had sanctioned another 3 players but it fell through due to outside influences - anyone slagging the board and Mcabe need to remember this and the other business done in this window.

 

[Esablade]

If you step into the fire expect to get burnt...

I keep banging on about it and Wilder himself has said he'd prefer all business to be done pre-season..I don't see why if we were interested in Cole and the West Ham lad, we couldn't get these deals done before the madness of last night/week.

The proviso was the player has to want to come here, remember.

If the money is indeed there and we're weren't waiting to shift Brayford on to free up wages, I don't see why we left things to the last minute at the mercy of 'the evil agents'.

It will be the same circus in Jan if we don't sort our targets out well in advance.

I hope Donaldson and this young lad are up to speed to play in a Wilder team...guess we'll see Donaldson at Sunderland whatever.

UTB!

 

[Chali 2na]

Do they benefit the game?
Do they achieve much that is not twattish?

Yes, some do.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Well like I say, they're not all bent - regardless of whether or not you choose to recognise this.

Even if we accept the premise that they aren't, their role is already filled quite capably by a recognised body.
Which begs the question, why do they exist at all if not to personally profit from any issue that may arise between the player and the club? Whether they're bent or not, they're still parasitic by their very nature.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Yes, some do.

Such as?
And are those actions in the vast majority of cases?

Or are they:

1. Likely to turn players heads?
2. Look after themselves and searching for the best signing on fee?
3. Getting paid a lot for a role that basically isn't needed?
4. Replacable and improved upon by situations like James Milners'? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-alternative-to-exorbitant-agents-317168.html