Wilder not 'appeh......

[blade67]

He's been forced to say that by McCabe, pointing a revolver at his temple.

All our bids were decided by McCabe. They were deliberately at a gross undervalue (albeit not a single club in the entire world was prepared to pay more) so as to ensure that we did not have to actually spend anything (the ten players we've brought in this window were free gifts from other clubs and have agreed to waive any wage or salary whatever).

Wilder is a complete patsy who is going along with all this whilst telling lie after lie to the fans in order to cover up his pivotal part in this bizarre and thoroughly dishonest charade.

You'd think they'd just make no offers at all, rather than conducting a transparent publicity stunt that our intellectual fans see through anyway. What's the point? It would save a great deal of time and trouble all round.

Oh my god. That's awful. What a nasty man, and he runs our football club too?

 

[The Crab]

Nothing a bit of Alpecin shampoo and a few bags of salad won't fix Easy done.

My salad usually comes with a burger

 

[Cassius Kray]

Thanks CK. I have read it and a great read it is. Yes it does look like a loan. Obviously I really have no idea but they could have been talking wages. Say its a season loan, maybe Watford were offering him for 'free this morning' (ie paying all his wages). But now Watford want a contribution either all or a percentage of his wages. It is quite feasible that United would have to pay £10k a week to Watford so this is maybe where the £500k comes from. It just doesn't ring true that we would have to pay an agent £500k for 'arranging' a season long loan. Obviously I am only guessing and the article good as it is doesn't quite make it clear.

I think it's pretty clear when something is down to the club - such as with Fleetwood and Cole, or United and Hanson - and in the case of Sinclair it's clearly the agent who is cited as the problem. The agent would not be deciding how much United pay in wages, and if it were Watford who changed their mind then Wilder wouldn't be directing his ire towards the agents.

I don't know how agent fees work, but it seems highly likely that the agent would expect some sort of payment for 'arranging' a loan, as with any other sort of contract the player signs. I agree that 500k sounds unlikely (Sheffsteel was probably just uing that as a hypothetical figure), but however much it was the article suggests he hiked the fee by 50% at the last minute, with the result that everyone ended miserable.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Regardless on whether there are some 'good' agents that can benefit an individual to get them a better deal, they are clearly a stain on the game adding another layer of potential corruption and extortion.

 

[Hurby]

Sorry if this link to Chris Wilder's transfer day has already been published on any of the many topics here without me noticing - if not, it makes an insightful read: https://syndication.bleacherreport....hris-wilder-on-transfer-deadline-day.amp.html

 

[Isar]

why will it be them over us

Ive already said over the past decade clibs with smaller budgets have matched in number those blowing millions in going up
You cant gaurentee anyone being above us purely on what theyve spent

villa are a prime example
birmingham sending money they dont have
Cardiff got off to a flyer but arent guarenteed keeping it up
Ipswich won 4 then came unstuck

weve beaten brentford and derby who have possibly spent more than us
even barnsleys brought in a few

we should fear no one purely on the basis their players cost more than ours

be absolutely no point ever getting promoted to the prem if you take that stance

Where are Birmingham sending their money to? Can anyone apply? If they dont have it where does it come from?

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Think it is Roberto de Fanti who caused problems at Sunderland and Leyton Orient, I think (only did a quick google search)

 

[blade67]

It's difficult to be too critical of agents as they are a result of clubs screwing young players for decades. If you were 21, you'd go and get someone with business experience to fight your corner in a negotiations too. People suggesting that it's left to lawyers are missing the point that a lot of agents are lawyers or accountants in training.

 

[Pinchy]

I don't care who we sign or don't sign and am certainly not having a paddy about it

I just find Uniteds pathetic excuses funny. I had a right laugh last night

It was the agents
It was the fax machine
We tried......but
Boo hoo hoo !!!!

Only a gullible fucking idiot would believe any of it if you want the truth

Have you read the article JJNon-Blade?

We do want the truth. Tell us what it is please. We're all in need of a "right laugh". I really chortled at the fax machine gag and I want more.

 

[blade too long]

https://lh9sport.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/rating-sheffield-uniteds-201718-summer-transfer-window/

interesting article

 

[RammyBlade]

wonder if Chris Wilder will go back in for the players we "lost" or refuse to deal with those agents ?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Just shows that agents only care about the cut they can make from transfer deals, and not the career of their client. Parasites.

 

[RammyBlade]

I wouldntmind going back in for Sinclair and Cole in January if CW can deal with the agents ?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

why will it be them over us

Ive already said over the past decade clibs with smaller budgets have matched in number those blowing millions in going up
You cant gaurentee anyone being above us purely on what theyve spent

villa are a prime example
birmingham sending money they dont have
Cardiff got off to a flyer but arent guarenteed keeping it up
Ipswich won 4 then came unstuck

weve beaten brentford and derby who have possibly spent more than us
even barnsleys brought in a few

we should fear no one purely on the basis their players cost more than ours

be absolutely no point ever getting promoted to the prem if you take that stance

Let's have a look at the teams who have recently won the championship.

Newcastle- brought in a top striker for this level in Gayle for about £12 million or so.
Burnley- Brought in a top striker for this level in Gray for about £12million
Bournemouth- brought in a top striker for this level in Wilson for £3million
Leicester- Brought in the likes of Vardy, Mahrez and Wood.
Cardiff- Brought in the likes of Mutch, Bellamy, Maynard etc. for a lot more than we've spent
Reading- brought in a proven, quick, powerful forward in Roberts
QPR- massive wage bill with the likes of Taarabt. Having chucked money at it for about 2-3 years.

Teams with budgets like ours don't win this league. Now and again, one sneaks into the playoffs and might even win them (like when Burnley beat us in 09) but even then, people kid themselves that Huddersfield are a relevant comparison. They're not. They spend about £2 million on a centre half the season they went up. They also had the likes of Nahki Wells for about £1.5 million and made great use of the German market.

 

[blade too long]

Let's have a look at the teams who have recently won the championship.

Newcastle- brought in a top striker for this level in Gayle for about £12 million or so.
Burnley- Brought in a top striker for this level in Gray for about £12million
Bournemouth- brought in a top striker for this level in Wilson for £3million
Leicester- Brought in the likes of Vardy, Mahrez and Wood.
Cardiff- Brought in the likes of Mutch, Bellamy, Maynard etc. for a lot more than we've spent
Reading- brought in a proven, quick, powerful forward in Roberts
QPR- massive wage bill with the likes of Taarabt. Having chucked money at it for about 2-3 years.

Teams with budgets like ours don't win this league. Now and again, one sneaks into the playoffs and might even win them (like when Burnley beat us in 09) but even then, people kid themselves that Huddersfield are a relevant comparison. They're not. They spend about £2 million on a centre half the season they went up. They also had the likes of Nahki Wells for about £1.5 million and made great use of the German market.

for every club youve mentioned theres 5 or 6 in that league in those years that spent more except newcastle , and got nothing to show for their outlay

burnley spent very little first attempt blackpool virtually nothing huddesfield very little
brighton went up despite being 11th in the spend list

the only thing spunking millions does is add to your debt
every season 8 to 10 spend way more than they can realistically afford and only 1 maybe 2 might make it

 

[1danewhitehouse]

for every club youve mentioned theres 5 or 6 in that league in those years that spent more except newcastle , and got nothing to show for their outlay

burnley spent very little first attempt blackpool virtually nothing huddesfield very little
brighton went up despite being 11th in the spend list

the only thing spunking millions does is add to your debt
every season 8 to 10 spend way more than they can realistically afford and only 1 maybe 2 might make it

I mentioned Burnley and Huddersfield and agreed that sometimes these teams get on a run and get in the playoffs. They don't tend to win the league. The league winners are almost always amongst the top few spenders (maybe top 5 or 6 spenders). Money doesn't guarantee success. But it helps massively. Money plus good management is the formula.

 

[Harrisblade]

I mentioned Burnley and Huddersfield and agreed that sometimes these teams get on a run and get in the playoffs. They don't tend to win the league. The league winners are almost always amongst the top few spenders (maybe top 5 or 6 spenders). Money doesn't guarantee success. But it helps massively. Money plus good management is the formula.

And theres your problem.
5 or 6 spenders, max 3 winners.
Leaving probably 3 shit or bust for the next season

 

[blade too long]

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/cha...r-league-tables/championship-last-five-season

says here weve spent 5 million
but look at what vast sums some have spent, in failing to go up

claims wednesdays blown 27 m in last 5 years to tread water

people moan about us selling dcl FOR 1M
YET VILLAS SOLD 75M POUNDS WORTH OF PLAYERS

 

[1danewhitehouse]

And theres your problem.
5 or 6 spenders, max 3 winners.
Leaving probably 3 shit or bust for the next season

Yes. That's true. Only now there are more than 5 or 6 spenders. Compared to us there are about 16-17 spenders. If we can break into that pack and finish mid-table, it will be an incredible achievement.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/cha...r-league-tables/championship-last-five-season

says here weve spent 5 million
but look at what vast sums some have spent, in failing to go up

claims wednesdays blown 27 m in last 5 years to tread water

people moan about us selling dcl FOR 1M
YET VILLAS SOLD 75M POUNDS WORTH OF PLAYERS

£5million over 5 years with a large chunk of that being John Brayford. A surplus overall of over a million when set against player sales. I don't think many would complain about selling £75million worth of talent if it meant we could bring in £160million worth like Villa. That list you've posted shows that we have spent more on players during that period than a total of 3 out of 24 clubs.

 

[finlaytheblade]

We've gone for players with offers that have been rejected by their clubs because they were not sufficient to tempt them to sell

These deals wouldn't have even got as far as the players agent having to do anything because they were rejected out of hand.

And you are ITK. ? pathetic

 

[JJBlade]

And you are ITK. ? pathetic

Ok all our bids were accepted then and Leonard, Holmes, Coady etc all play for us now

 

[blade too long]

£5million over 5 years with a large chunk of that being John Brayford. A surplus overall of over a million when set against player sales. I don't think many would complain about selling £75million worth of talent if it meant we could bring in £160million worth like Villa. That list you've posted shows that we have spent more on players during that period than a total of 3 out of 24 clubs.

actually its what weve spent in the championhip in the last 5 years which for us is this season . not the 4 in league one
quite rightly they reckon our purchases and loans so far account up to 5 m . which is about right

 

[1danewhitehouse]

actually its what weve spent in the championhip in the last 5 years which for us is this season . not the 4 in league one
quite rightly they reckon our purchases and loans so far account up to 5 m . which is about right

No. It's not. It's what we've spent over the last 5 years. It says so quite clearly in the article. But just for a laugh, why don't you give us the breakdown of the £5million you reckon we've spent this summer on transfer fees?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

actually its what weve spent in the championhip in the last 5 years which for us is this season . not the 4 in league one
quite rightly they reckon our purchases and loans so far account up to 5 m . which is about right

Also, by this bizarre logic you're working with, Sunderland have spent £103million this summer alone on transfer fees. Please tell us how they managed that as well as Millwall spending over £6million.