Wilder, Knoll and Mitchell -New contracts surely.

[Woodwardfan]

I think he's more sensible that a fair amount of Chairmen out there. But he's also been a lot more incompetent and made more awful decisions than some.

I agree that struggling in the league above for a few years is not important, staying up should be the main aim for a couple of seasons at least.


But do we really need to 'build a relationship' with Chris Wilder? It's already there, already ingrained.

I don't feel offering him a decade long contract would improve that.

Sadly, football is a business, and who knows how it will change in 10 years.

If we yearn for continuity then let's go for it.

As one who has stated on forum years ago that I would have made Sharp our main man and built a team and a future around him, not sell him for 100k, I think big decisions need bottle and strategies need fuel and continuity is a two way commitment, trust and understanding between club and manager. Stand or fall by a man, don't give up after a year or so.if Warnock had backed Sharp how we would have benefited since. Same applies to Wilder now. Trust him and back him. Everything he says is based on experience and hunger.

I reckon it's worth backing Wilder to the hilt because even if all doesn't go exactly to plan, I dread the lottery of new managerial appointments, new squads, new contracts and hopeful punts on managers well past the ir sell-by date, otherwise why would they come here?

Wilder has over 700 managerial games under his belt and so importantly still has the hunger and so has Knill.

 

[Pinchy]

It'll cost a fortune to sack Wilder with a 10 year contract! We'd have to sell a couple of players to fund that!

Or even a pitch...

 

[bornablade]

It was all over the sports news yesterday on Radio Sheffield that Chris Wilder has made it quite clear that contract talks with players would not commence until the summer.

The thought of Wilder and Knill being offered a contract or a contract with them even being the subject of a conversation at this stage is cringeworthy.

It's a 'David Brent' style of management.

The culture of the club has been turned on its head and this is just the type of thing that would upset what has been a United front by all the staff and players this season.

 

[Smirth]

I remember not too long ago some people were wanting us to tie down Clough to a similarly ridiculous contract, thank god we didn't!

There is absolutely no need to give him a 10 year contract. It's almost like saying he's more important than anyone and anything else at the club. If our ultimate aim is premier league security then I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that if that is acheived it is very unlikely Wilder would be our manager, we would probably have outgrown him by that point.

 

[Smirth]

Also, they haven't actually achieved anything yet to make them worthy of new contracts.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Wolder, Knoll & Motchell

Three omagonary seroal kollers who dwell on WiidwardFan's mond.

#NIISATURDAY

Have a Loke from me .

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sensible Chairmen don't dish out 10 year contracts to any manager.

As much as I like Chris, it would be foolish and sentimental.

I give you Reg and Ian Porterfield.

 

[Harry's Game]

Some of these views are Nol and Void as far I am concerned.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It was all over the sports news yesterday on Radio Sheffield that Chris Wilder has made it quite clear that contract talks with players would not commence until the summer.

The thought of Wilder and Knill being offered a contract or a contract with them even being the subject of a conversation at this stage is cringeworthy.

It's a 'David Brent' style of management.

The culture of the club has been turned on its head and this is just the type of thing that would upset what has been a United front by all the staff and players this season.

David Brent would find a way not to do anything at any given time.

David Brent was not pro-active.

Demotivating players by showing faith in the management team and setting an assured direction for the club, come on, that's not David Brent, is it?

Within a few months only the best will stay withith us anyway, they all know they have a lot to play for these next few games.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I really like the Blade manager, Blade owner, adopted Sheffield Ast.manager , Sheffield? scout, he sounds it - a new recipe for success, the S2 way, a unique strategy that could have plenty of mileage in today's English football.

This is the key bit Woody - it is unique and we should find a way to harness this for the next few years. We should also be very careful with whatever contract is written with CW. He has never been sacked - there is a reason for this probably only known by CW himself.

No one actually knows how the management team will do next season. All the signs suggest that CW & AK will learn as they go along, but long contracts seem to be a thing of the past in football. McCabe has already been seen to be a bit stupid with managers at times, but this management team does appear different and in some ways we need to protect ourselves from approaches - as they will happen if the team and club continue to progress.

It's a difficult call.

UTB

 

[itsinyerblood]

Trouble is, given the obscure nature of Senor Knoll, the contract department would spend days and weeks hunting for Knolly without discovering his presence.

That type of contractual delay would serve no purpose, and should there be a renewed interest in re-signing any of our management team I'd expect a spelling checker included in the incentives, just to ensure we sign the right person.

Knolly, Knolly, wherefore art thou Knolly?

 

[Woodwardfan]

I remember not too long ago some people were wanting us to tie down Clough to a similarly ridiculous contract, thank god we didn't!

There is absolutely no need to give him a 10 year contract. It's almost like saying he's more important than anyone and anything else at the club. If our ultimate aim is premier league security then I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that if that is acheived it is very unlikely Wilder would be our manager, we would probably have outgrown him by that point.

That's the crunch and I disagree. Football is a simple game a nd if you have a seasoned manager who still has the hunger to drive players on then that is worth a hundred overpaid foreign managers who don't necessarily make sense just because they can spend the club's money and talk broken English language, basic football, so basic at times its embarrassing.

Really good debate by the way.

 

[Woodwardfan]

This is the key bit Woody - it is unique and we should find a way to harness this for the next few years. We should also be very careful with whatever contract is written with CW. He has never been sacked - there is a reason for this probably only known by CW himself.

No one actually knows how the management team will do next season. All the signs suggest that CW & AK will learn as they go along, but long contracts seem to be a thing of the past in football. McCabe has already been seen to be a bit stupid with managers at times, but this management team does appear different and in some ways we need to protect ourselves from approaches - as they will happen if the team and club continue to progress.

It's a difficult call.

UTB

How sound that was Fulwood.

Some times in business you have to back a hunch, gamble even. That is what sorts the wheat from the chaff and yes you have to be different.

Before Wilder came we were hopeless ' chaff' , I say ride his wave, the man is on a roll. If he fails then we are back to square one, no further back.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Trouble is, given the obscure nature of Senor Knoll, the contract department would spend days and weeks hunting for Knolly without discovering his presence.

That type of contractual delay would serve no purpose, and should there be a renewed interest in re-signing any of our management team I'd expect a spelling checker included in the incentives, just to ensure we sign the right person.

Knolly, Knolly, wherefore art thou Knolly?

Without wishing to be disrespectful, please mention how your post adds to the debate itsy

Raul likes it so I'm missing the point.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Some people never seem to learn. How hard has it been to unwind the contracts of some of the overpaid dross we have had at BDTBL?

SAF never had a 10 year contract, nor did Wenger, Are you trying to start some kind of CW love contract auction?
"I love him more and I want to give him 15 years"
"No, I'm Spartacus and I want him to have a 50 year contract"

And then when it all eventually goes wrong, as it sadly but inevitably will, the good old money tree picks up the pieces......

(To be clear, I am not against CW or extending his deal, but let's keep it realistic please).

If Wilders stock is high with clubs higher up the pyramid, any contract wouldn't stop him moving on if a job he fancied came along. While a better contract would be ideal short term its a financial long term millstone around the clubs neck, somewhere we've been before , and quite recently - which caused some anger at the stupidity of it. Keeping Wilder as things stand is a great move but why offer a contract the length of which the very best managers in the UK have not been given. While I have total faith in him, let's get up and see how we get on in the Championship before offering any long term deal.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Without wishing to be disrespectful, please mention how your post adds to the debate itsy

Raul likes it so I'm missing the point.

It's an age old problem Wooders, when we are the object of amusement for others it can tire, irritate, and sometimes cause us to even dislike the person who's aiming barbed comments at you. Try not to let my, or anyone else's comments irk you. As raul will know, what's referred to as bantz can often test our patience. let alone humour.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's an age old problem Wooders, when we are the object of amusement for others it can tire, irritate, and sometimes cause us to even dislike the person who's aiming barbed comments at you. Try not to let my, or anyone else's comments irk you. As raul will know, what's referred to as bantz can often test our patience. let alone humour.

No problem, I just didn't want to miss a relevant point being made.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I'd give Wilder and Knoll new 10 yearcontracts now or at least when/if we are mathematically promoted. I've seen and heard enough already including Duffy' s interview recently.

Mitchell maybe 5 years.

This club needs continuity and will have a minimum of 5m extra income if we go up. This is a seriously good way to spend some of it.

Mr. McCabe it took you an age to come up with Wilder and you acted boldly and decisively when you snatched him from Charlton. Be bold again and sit back for a few years and watch the journey unfold.

The club is United at last, nail it down.

I would give them bonus incentives . Money does talk and have its rewards .

Contracts in the world of football mean absolutely nothing .

As someone said Reg B and Ian P .

Leicester manager signs contract and gets the boot.

In fickle football , nice but does not work . Also we have won nothing yet so , the talking has to be in the summer when we know which league we will be in .

Reality check required on all staff .

 

[Gimli]

I'd love Wilder to stay for as long as possible at the moment, the only way I can see him leaving is when another club comes in for him when they see the job he has done here and throughout his career.
But there's no guarantee that it will be this good for 10 years, in fact it's probably not going to be this good all the time and although it would be a massive shame, if things went stale, we may have to part ways and him having a decade long contract would be a massive issue.

 

[Gimli]

But then again, just for making us proud of our team for the first time in ages, he deserves a 100 year contract.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I would give them bonus incentives . Money does talk and have its rewards .

Contracts in the world of football mean absolutely nothing .

As someone said Reg B and Ian P .

Leicester manager signs contract and gets the boot.

In fickle football , nice but does not work . Also we have won nothing yet so , the talking has to be in the summer when we know which league we will be in .

Reality check required on all staff .[/QUOTE)

 

[Woodwardfan]

My Lord, contracts are legal documents with value for both parties.

Please don't mention Brearley and KM in the same sentence, nor Porterfield and Wilder, my goodness.

Leicester don't have a Yorkshireman as owner.

Agree about incentives mentioned above too.

 

[itsinyerblood]

In summary, let's see how we do next season when (I know, long way to go, we're not there yet etc) we finally get promoted to the Championship. I'll be happy to see us (over-used word next) consolidate by strengthening and responding to whatever questions the Championship throws at us. I think all Blades fans would be happy with signs of progress, and that slightly understated surprise of watching our players acquit themselves with the best the Championship has to show. If Wilder and Knill can do this, then we should enter into improved terms with both of 'em. Make them aware of how crucial they are to this club, and reward them with terms that reflect what they've achieved and what we realise are contracts worthy of their hard work.......but ten years? Nah.

 

[Barney]

I give in!!

 

[Sean Thornton]

My Lord, contracts are legal documents with value for both parties.

Please don't mention Brearley and KM in the same sentence, nor Porterfield and Wilder, my goodness.

Leicester don't have a Yorkshireman as owner.

Agree about incentives mentioned above too.

And often managers contracts contain a clause about other clubs coming in for them. As with players, such as Kevin McDonald who had a clause inserted before he would sign.

Porterfield got ten years on the back if one successful season. Same scenario whether the personalities are similar or not. Idiotic decision which cost the club dearly.

Imagine Clough being given a much longer contract on the back of the cup runs?

 

[Woodwardfan]

If Wilders stock is high with clubs higher up the pyramid, any contract wouldn't stop him moving on if a job he fancied came along. While a better contract would be ideal short term its a financial long term millstone around the clubs neck, somewhere we've been before , and quite recently - which caused some anger at the stupidity of it. Keeping Wilder as things stand is a great move but why offer a contract the length of which the very best managers in the UK have not been given. While I have total faith in him, let's get up and see how we get on in the Championship before offering any long term deal.

That is an entirely valid opinion and a 'middle ground approach' which will never win trophies unless Wilder is totally without ego and doesn't worry about money or worship money.

Personally I think Wilder could just value being in S2 more than another say 100k a year, but what if it's 300k a year on a 3 year contract?

(No need to take the figures literally Sean.)

 

[Woodwardfan]

And often managers contracts contain a clause about other clubs coming in for them. As with players, such as Kevin McDonald who had a clause inserted before he would sign.

Porterfield got ten years on the back if one successful season. Same scenario whether the personalities are similar or not. Idiotic decision which cost the club dearly.

Imagine Clough being given a much longer contract on the back of the cup runs?

That's exactly why the contract has to show full faith. ( first para).
Just as important will be the wage budget and the transfer pot.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That is an entirely valid opinion and a 'middle ground approach' which will never win trophies unless Wilder is totally without ego and doesn't worry about money or worship money.

Personally I think Wilder could just value being in S2 more than another say 100k a year, but what if it's 300k a year on a 3 year contract?

(No need to take the figures literally Sean.)

Wanting sound financial decisions is not a middle ground approach, whatever that means. It's what every Blade has been crying out for for years and which hasn't happened until this season. Spending big with Robson didn't win a trophy did it?

We need to hold on to Wilder but ten years? The only time it happened here was under Reg. As I said, a financial disaster.

I have no idea of the monies that would tempt CW away. I'd like to think that he's here for the long term but what if a top ten club comes in for him? I'd guess and it is obviously a guess, ambition would be the biggest temptation.

I hope and dream he could lead us back to the PL but I still wouldn't put a noose around the clubs neck in case it goes horribly wrong.

You thought Weir and Clough were the dogs as appointments. Rather than just pooh pooh other opinions you might think about how wrong you were on both counts, even anointing NC as "Mr Sheffield United" and championing his "Dynasty" along with Brannigan and Simon, who you now denigrate as just a "newsagent". Similarly with Dearden and Barlow. You aren't known for getting it right, more fir your hindsight.

And I am playing the post, pointing out that it's a bit daft, for several reasons.

 

[itsinyerblood]

That's exactly why the contract has to show full faith. ( first para).
Just as important will be the wage budget and the transfer pot.

I know where you're coming from Woody, but there's a fine line between showing faith and investing in something as unpredictable as the next ten years. By all means offer a rolling contract, say three years, or at best, a further five years. The ramifications of a contract spanning ten years are both positive and disastrous for the club. Above all else, the club comes before anyone, players, managers , or chairmen, so a careful attitude based on what's been achieved, what we want to achieve, and what's realistically possible for this club, are the only criteria we can work with. I would imagine Wilder would understand this, and as long as his terms coincide with ours, then both parties should want to progress with whatever agreement is arrived at.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's exactly why the contract has to show full faith. ( first para).
Just as important will be the wage budget and the transfer pot.

The wage budget and transfer pot are far more important because initially that's what will hopefully secure Wilders term here.

Contracts always show full faith when signed, as an up and coming manager, a release clause under certain conditions would be a must for him. The ultimate downside for the is a lack of success, a sacking and another, even bigger pay off to him and his back room staff, something we've criticised the board heavily for. Just, for example, give him a three year contract on more money with incentives, as has been mooted, rather than another daft contractual balls up.