Wilder, Knoll and Mitchell -New contracts surely.

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I'd give Wilder and Knoll new 10 yearcontracts now or at least when/if we are mathematically promoted. I've seen and heard enough already including Duffy' s interview recently.

Mitchell maybe 5 years.

This club needs continuity and will have a minimum of 5m extra income if we go up. This is a seriously good way to spend some of it.

Mr. McCabe it took you an age to come up with Wilder and you acted boldly and decisively when you snatched him from Charlton. Be bold again and sit back for a few years and watch the journey unfold.

The club is United at last, nail it down.
 



I reckon if we go up then improved contracts will be made, not only to the people you've mentioned but to players Wilder wants for next season.
 
Unlike Warnock, Wilder will make sure that matters like contracts will be resolved when the time is right. At the end of the season.
Not to interfere with the football or distract form the job in hand.

I would be amazed if ANY of the current side had any interest of playing for anybody else. They will be enjoying everything about being at the club right now and will be happy to keep their agents out of the loop and away from their thoughts.

In May, after promotion is sorted, I expect the board will want to meet Chris. They will be very keen to ensure he is happy and content.
Chris in turn will want to ensure his team is content.

Rewards will be given to those deserving.
Only ones I can see being an issue....maybe Fleck and Coutts. And only because I suspect there will be a LOT of interest in them both.
We may be in a situation where we have to offer substantial pay increases to keep them both. But regardless, Wilder will have a plan to deal with it.
 
Woodwardfan said:
I'd give Wilder and Knoll new 10 yearcontracts now or at least when/if we are mathematically promoted. I've seen and heard enough already including Duffy' s interview recently.

Mitchell maybe 5 years.
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Some people never seem to learn. How hard has it been to unwind the contracts of some of the overpaid dross we have had at BDTBL?

SAF never had a 10 year contract, nor did Wenger, Are you trying to start some kind of CW love contract auction?
"I love him more and I want to give him 15 years"
"No, I'm Spartacus and I want him to have a 50 year contract"

And then when it all eventually goes wrong, as it sadly but inevitably will, the good old money tree picks up the pieces......

(To be clear, I am not against CW or extending his deal, but let's keep it realistic please).
 
It'll cost a fortune to sack Wilder with a 10 year contract! We'd have to sell a couple of players to fund that! ;)
 
Unfortunately, a 10 year contract guarantees fk all

A fall out, a sacking, a big club comes calling and it's all over regardless

Knowing how CW operates in terms of honesty and realism, the way to tackle contract negotiations is to be fair with him financially and otherwise and I think he would accept that. A deal that suits both CW and the club is what needs to be done and I don't think that means 10 years
 



History shows that dishing out long contracts to manager or players usually means complacency and a drop in performance.

Remember Newcastle giving their manager a 10 year contract then we was sacked the year after.

Also I wouldn't worry about losing players. That's all part of Wilders personality test.
If they are looking elsewhere then it shows they aren't fully committed to the club.
Wilder will tell them how lucky they are to be at SU, a club going places and he will a other irons in the fire and look to give more committed players a chance instead of being held to ransom.

With Wilder he'll make sure no player is ever bigger than the club.
Anyhow I sense Wilder might have similar Midas touch qualities like Cloughie.

Remember Forest buying ordinary players and he made them great players at Forest.
Then when they left to play for other clubs they became ordinary players again.
Gary Birtles was a fantastic striker at Forest but really poor when sold for big money at Man Utd.
 
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Woodwardfan said:
I'd give Wilder and Knoll new 10 yearcontracts now or at least when/if we are mathematically promoted. I've seen and heard enough already including Duffy' s interview recently.

Mitchell maybe 5 years.

This club needs continuity and will have a minimum of 5m extra income if we go up. This is a seriously good way to spend some of it.

Mr. McCabe it took you an age to come up with Wilder and you acted boldly and decisively when you snatched him from Charlton. Be bold again and sit back for a few years and watch the journey unfold.

The club is United at last, nail it down.
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Unfortunately if we're not in the top half of the Championship by Christmas half of the posters here will be saying he's out of his depth or some other stupid cliché. It's the one thing we have in common with the Pigs.
 
Blade58 said:
Unfortunately, a 10 year contract guarantees fk all

A fall out, a sacking, a big club comes calling and it's all over regardless

Knowing how CW operates in terms of honesty and realism, the way to tackle contract negotiations is to be fair with him financially and otherwise and I think he would accept that. A deal that suits both CW and the club is what needs to be done and I don't think that means 10 years
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Quite the opposite I reckon. If Wilder h a say 8 years of his contract left we could negotiate bigger compensation.

However that's not my point. I want Wilder to know that t he has time to build properly in the Championship. Given a reasonable wage with incentives for gradual success I'd expect Wilder to be happy exactly where he is., nowhere better than S2 for a Blade.
 
Robby Blade said:
Unfortunately if we're not in the top half of the Championship by Christmas half of the posters here will be saying he's out of his depth or some other stupid cliché. It's the one thing we have in common with the Pigs.
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With respect posters on here count for nothing.
 
Sheffsteel said:
History shows that dishing out long contracts to manager or players usually means complacency and a drop in performance.

Remember Newcastle giving their manager a 10 year contract then we was sacked the year after.

Also I wouldn't worry about losing players. That's all part of Wilders personality test.
If they are looking elsewhere then it shows they aren't fully committed to the club.
Wilder will tell them how lucky they are to be at SU, a club going places and he will a other irons in the fire and look to give more committed players a chance instead of being held to ransom.

With Wilder he'll make sure no player is ever bigger than the club.
Anyhow I sense Wilder might have similar Midas touch qualities like Cloughie.

Remember Forest buying ordinary players and he made them great players at Forest.
Then when they left to play for other clubs they became ordinary players again.
Gary Birtles was a fantastic striker at Forest but really poor when sold for big money at Man Utd.
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Just for the very young members, he means Brian not Nigel.!!
 
Robby Blade said:
Unfortunately if we're not in the top half of the Championship by Christmas half of the posters here will be saying he's out of his depth or some other stupid cliché. It's the one thing we have in common with the Pigs.
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Agree it's a shame and really sad.

I can gaurantee if we have a bad start to the season in the Championship it will be
"Chris Wilder = lower division manager. I knew he's be out of his depth in the big leagues"
"Why did we give him a long contract? It's cost a fortune to sack him now"
"We're going down.... thanks Mr McCabe" etc etc

Although to be fair some of then critism towards Carvahal is valid because when I've seen them on Sky it reminds me a lot of us under Clough. Very slow paced and over tactical focussing on negating the oppostion.

Wilder deserves the respect that Bassett got.
Just before Bassett was sacked there was a sense of sadness and no vitriol or personal abuse aimed at him.
The way he's going Wilder is buying himself a long period of goodwill and patience.
People talk about players showing loyalty to the club but what about fans showing loyalty to the manager
Especially when that manager work so wonders and earns that loyalty.
 
We gave porterfield a 10 year contract, how long was he here? Was stated afterwards we will never do it again, although the original post has some merit, players often get offered an improved, longer contract mid way through to protect the club, its a good point but 10 years? A lot can happen in 3 let alone 10, I presume they have a 3 year contract, so 2 ish. left, possibly we could offer a further 3, good for everyone
 
PeteBlade said:
Sensible Chairmen don't dish out 10 year contracts to any manager.

As much as I like Chris, it would be foolish and sentimental.
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Hi Pete, are you one who thinks we have a sensible Chairman?

Fair comment though. It's all a matter of building the relationship I think , building on momentum, sticking to our roots.

If we struggle in the Championship for 2/3 years that's not important as long as sound building blocks are being cemented. Wednesday struggled for years and are now challenging. At that challenging stage would anybody prefer a relative Portugese novice in English football. In charge or a Chris Wilder who knows a player and has built the squad over 4/5 years?

I know how I would play it and as for compensation for 2 contracts if all falls flat, peanuts compared to the rewards. How would you feel if Wilder had gone to Charlton last summer and Adkins stayed?

How about 8 year contracts then?:)

I really like the Blade manager, Blade owner, adopted Sheffield Ast.manager , Sheffield? scout, he sounds it - a new recipe for success, the S2 way, a unique strategy that could have plenty of mileage in today's English football.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Hi Pete, are you one who thinks we have a sensible Chairman?

Fair comment though. It's all a matter of building the relationship I think , building on momentum, sticking to our roots.

If we struggle in the Championship for 2/3 years that's not important as long as sound building blocks are being cemented. Wednesday struggled for years and are now challenging. At that challenging stage would anybody prefer a relative Portugese novice in English football. In charge or a Chris Wilder who knows a player and has built the squad over 4/5 years?

I know how I would play it and as for compensation for 2 contracts if all falls flat, peanuts compared to the rewards. How would you feel if Wilder had gone to Charlton last summer and Adkins stayed?

How about 8 year contracts then?:)

I really like the Blade manager, Blade owner, adopted Sheffield Ast.manager , Sheffield? scout, he sounds it - a new recipe for success, the S2 way, a unique strategy that could have plenty of mileage in today's English football.
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I think he's more sensible that a fair amount of Chairmen out there. But he's also been a lot more incompetent and made more awful decisions than some.

I agree that struggling in the league above for a few years is not important, staying up should be the main aim for a couple of seasons at least.


But do we really need to 'build a relationship' with Chris Wilder? It's already there, already ingrained.

I don't feel offering him a decade long contract would improve that.

Sadly, football is a business, and who knows how it will change in 10 years.
 
For me, Wilder has shown two things.

1. A determination to succeed
2. An ability to learn.

So for that reason, if we go up we need to expect to allow Wilder time to learn and improve. Number one of my two will always be there, especially for United.
What other managers out there would we trust to do better?

He's shown he has his teams playing attacking football, entertaining football and crucially winning football. He's shown he has the nouse (and his staff) to find the right players for the job and adapt his tactics quickly to deal with changing situations. He's basically proven to me he's a very Good football manager.
So for me, it will work in the league above too. But given time.

He might see us struggle....but he would put it right. We might fly on the other hand. Hopefully in 10 months time we might have an inkling one way or the other.


Would I give him 10 years? Probably not. A three year rolling deal with pay rises and bonuses written in based on success though? Certainly. Alternatively written in agreements from failure too should that happen.
It will be a lengthy negotiation with risks for both sides, but in the end it provided the best foundations for success. That being trust and consistency.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Unlike Warnock, Wilder will make sure that matters like contracts will be resolved when the time is right. At the end of the season.
Not to interfere with the football or distract form the job in hand.

I would be amazed if ANY of the current side had any interest of playing for anybody else. They will be enjoying everything about being at the club right now and will be happy to keep their agents out of the loop and away from their thoughts.

In May, after promotion is sorted, I expect the board will want to meet Chris. They will be very keen to ensure he is happy and content.
Chris in turn will want to ensure his team is content.

Rewards will be given to those deserving.
Only ones I can see being an issue....maybe Fleck and Coutts. And only because I suspect there will be a LOT of interest in them both.
We may be in a situation where we have to offer substantial pay increases to keep them both. But regardless, Wilder will have a plan to deal with it.
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Can't see any intrest in Coutts or Fleck if we go up.
Nobody actually knows if they'll be good enough for the Championship yet.
No side coming down from the Premiership would be interested in them.
They only other clubs who could be slightly interested in them possibly if they themselves don't go up are Leeds, Huddersfield, Derby. Can't see the pigs being remotely interested in them they will have bigger fish to fry with their trillions.
When you factor in that if we do go up we will be one of the biggest clubs in the division in terms of fan base and size. Not many clubs would be a bigger draw and those that are i can't see being interested in them. Which is something that could be said about all our players, which could actually work in our favour in that we should have a settled squad with no distractions of players wanted by other clubs.
 



When I was a kid there was a cartoon on telly about a lovable character called Issy Noho. From now on, I'll think of our assistant manager as Grassy Bluesuit.

 
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