Wilder In Or Out Poll

[PeterNdlovu081]

It's a hard one to call now with Wilder.

At the minute we're on a steady 4.

We could get rid, roll the dice and end up on a 5 or 6.

Or we could land on a 2 and get another Jokanovic.

I'm wholly undecided at the minute.

Although I would like someone to ask him why he shat his pants at half time of a play off final when we had one foot in the Premier League.

 

[dc_blade]

I think he will stay. It's a huge decision to sack a manager who got so close to being promoted. And he got a lot of things right this season.

Personally I would prefer a change, though, and I voted for him to go. I like Wilder a lot, think he's in many ways a great manager. I don't like the name-calling and disrespect being put on him since the weekend. But: I think the club urgently needs to modernize if it's going to move forward. At the moment we feel like something out of the 1980s or 90s--the manager seemingly running the entire club in the absence of a DoF or technical director, unfit players, disciplinary problems, only signing players from the UK and Ireland, a figurehead who tends to make a bit of a spectacle of himself in public. We even played 4-4-2 with a target man in a play off final. In the year 2025. We came close to getting promoted doing things this way but I don't think it's how you run a top flight football club.

I would not be looking forward to watching another season of Wilderball 2.0. It is boring, let's be honest. Being so far away I can't go to games but I do want to be out of my seat when I watch on TV and instead I found myself on my phone during a lot of games this season. We earned 92 points but I think that gives a false impression of how well we played--in fact, I think we were lucky. I was willing to defend it up until Christmas because I thought Wilder had done brilliantly to build a strong defensive base and the JTW would give him chance to add that bit of attacking magic. But instead he spent an awful lot of money to make us worse.

I expect we'll still be in the mix for the play offs if Wilder stays. And I can definitely see the point of those saying it's a huge gamble to replace him now. But I think we have an opportunity to start fresh with a new direction and I hope we take it.

 

[Aston max]

It's a hard one to call now with Wilder.

At the minute we're on a steady 4.

We could get rid, roll the dice and end up on a 5 or 6.

Or we could land on a 2 and get another Jokanovic.

I'm wholly undecided at the minute.

Although I would like someone to ask him why he shat his pants at half time of a play off final when we had one foot in the Premier League.

Would slav have worked with these owners ?? The poor guy was onto a hiding to nothing with PA

 

[Valleyblade]

Not replacing Souttar in January was his biggest mistake, given the spend.

Wilder in.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Would slav have worked with these owners ?? The poor guy was onto a hiding to nothing with PA

I still feel the whole thing with Slav made the club look shit and very small time. Why lie to the bloke to get him through the door, then break all the promises made to give him what was needed to repeat what he did at Fulham? The absolute definition of chucking someone under the bus.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Would slav have worked with these owners ?? The poor guy was onto a hiding to nothing with PA

Maybe.

Don't think it would be wise to bring him back to find out though.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Maybe.

Don't think it would be wise to bring him back to find out though.

I agree, that ship’s long sailed. And bringing former managers back never ends well.

 

[Aston max]

Maybe.

Don't think it would be wise to bring him back to find out though.

I think that ship has sailed , like a lot of others my trust in wilder has gone ( don't hate the guy never will for what he's achieved here ) but just some change of direction, as our young un says if we can keep everyone and add 3 centre halves and tricky attacking players and a " modern " coach top 2 is more likely.
Because wilder will waste transfer money and the toys will come out ( and it will be everyone's fault but his )

 

[Davalon]

Well given the opportunity I intend to expand this post elsewhere.
We will see how it is received if ever posted.
This is why I do not look at replies - it is pointless.
Sadly I saw this one by accident.
You do NOT point out one factual error I made
I will point out one claim you have made
"What I absolutely don't see is how anyone can question how successful we were from 2016-2020. Honestly is there genuinely something wrong with you?"
and how the club owner @Saudi49er owner and dual appointer of the imbecile repeat failure Wilder of his last three seasons at #SUFC disagrees with YOU
He states that as evident from the start re DCL the recruitment during the period was a shambles,
that 2019-2020 was his season of biggest failure or words to that effect
that as I point out Wilder is useless with young players and has to be stopped buying fellow journeymen eg Peck situation
SOURCE :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kfnz0q

You are a prime example of 'Ignorance is Bliss' re Wilder as most football fans.
Sadly you can know too much particularly the state of this world
Ignoro L I do not know
Ironically one of the few bits of Latin I do know.
What I do not know is why a picture insert should screw up this post not just insert it in situe like
hypertext

Eder's philosophy was much more interesting imho

 

[luffenhamblade]

I agree, that ship’s long sailed. And bringing former managers back never ends well.

It seems to be working pretty well this time.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It seems to be working pretty well this time.

Depends whether you’re capable of seeing the bigger picture of the way the game has developed in the last 10 years and will continue to develop in the future.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Some people willingly overlooking the simple fact the current owners were looking at us for a while so know all about Wilder and signed him to a new contract in January.

Just blindly ignoring it as if it didn't happen

 

[Camden Blade]

If we stick with Wilder and have a poor start to the season which is entirely possible it will turn toxic fairly quickly. There are big question marks over CW's tactical nous, coping with pressure and now even his strong points like fostering a spirit of togetherness. He made a big mistake turning on the fans post-Oxford. The fans or punters as he now calls us could see what he evidently couldn't. That the automatic promotion push was falling apart. The problem with sticking is everything rides on promotion next season. If he's dismissed after a disappointing start then that's the season written off. As there'll be a big rebuilding job.

 

[FlamingLip]

I voted yes, as I'm calculating the chances of a successful season with a slightly more ambitious (and hopefully humble) Wilder to be greater than having a complete overhaul with someone else. I also can't agree to rewarding 89 official points with a sacking. Madness.

But.... I've no confidence in how he will (and should) stand up to scrutiny. I'm also nervous of the thought of him loose with spends.

 

[Eppyblade]

I’m willing for Wilder to stay, but there are conditions. I need to see a clear style of play, not just grit and grind. He has to bring in some pace, we’re far too slow and predictable going forward. And most importantly, his mindset when we’re in the lead has to change. The first time I see us sat on our box from the 50th minute trying to cling onto a 1-0, that’s it for me, he has to go. We can’t keep inviting pressure and hoping to survive. That approach won’t take us forward.

 

[Upton_Blade]

You do NOT point out one factual error I made

Wilder showed he was hopeless in his first few weeks and was TOTALLY the WRONG choice for this club.
Always was
Always will be

I'm quite sure 2 promotions in 3 years, including 100 points in one of them, and an LMA Manager of the Year award wouldn't class as "factual" that at that point he wasn't "totally the wrong choice for this club" or that he "always was" and "always will be".

That's also not mentioning the 9th placed finish and very near European qualification in our 1st PL season.

If you can name another manager, and I mean ANY MANAGER, that could have taken us from where we were after the Atkins season to where we were 3 years later then I'm all ears.

"What I absolutely don't see is how anyone can question how successful we were from 2016-2020. Honestly is there genuinely something wrong with you?"
and how the club owner @Saudi49er owner and dual appointer of the imbecile repeat failure Wilder of his last three seasons at #SUFC disagrees with YOU

I never once said anything about the last 3 years of his tenure. It's one of the main reasons I'd be happy for a change of manager right now. I honestly think him and us have run our course. As they say "all good things come to an end".

He states that as evident from the start re DCL the recruitment during the period was a shambles,
that 2019-2020 was his season of biggest failure or words to that effect

It was easy of PA to state the DCL sale was a mistake in hindsight after what he went on to achieve at Everton. At the time it enabled us to bring in a raft of clever signings that meant we were able to achieve 100 points that season.

If you honestly believe that the recruitment was "a shambles" from 2016 to 2019 then I honestly don't know what your expectations re transfers are. I'm not going to spend the time needed to work out what the percentage of "Hits" to "Misses" were during that time but I'd be amazed if it wasn't heavily geared towards the "Hits" column.

Fleck, Duffy, Baldock, Stevens, JOC, Norwood, Egan, Clarke, Didzy to name a few of a very long list. Do I need to go on??

hat as I point out Wilder is useless with young players and has to be stopped buying fellow journeymen eg Peck situation

I actually agree with this statement if it was relating to CW's 1st spell with us was. I think during that time there was younger players that should have been given more game time.

Since he returned I'm not sure that statement can be thrown at him. Blaster made Captain. Seriki has played whenever fit. Peck has played almost as many games as any other player we own this season. Brooks has maybe been overlooked but has been poor at times. Honestly not sure what else you were expecting this time around?

You are a prime example of 'Ignorance is Bliss' re Wilder as most football fans.

Ridiculous statement as I stated quite clearly in my post that I was in the "Wilder Out" camp and a change was needed.

What I do not know is why a picture insert should screw up this post not just insert it in situe like
hypertext

That meme is so far off the mark it's frightening. If you can point me to the part of my post that I've slandered you then, again, I'm all ears?

 

[alcoblade]

I think he will stay. It's a huge decision to sack a manager who got so close to being promoted. And he got a lot of things right this season.

Personally I would prefer a change, though, and I voted for him to go. I like Wilder a lot, think he's in many ways a great manager. I don't like the name-calling and disrespect being put on him since the weekend. But: I think the club urgently needs to modernize if it's going to move forward. At the moment we feel like something out of the 1980s or 90s--the manager seemingly running the entire club in the absence of a DoF or technical director, unfit players, disciplinary problems, only signing players from the UK and Ireland, a figurehead who tends to make a bit of a spectacle of himself in public. We even played 4-4-2 with a target man in a play off final. In the year 2025. We came close to getting promoted doing things this way but I don't think it's how you run a top flight football club.

I would not be looking forward to watching another season of Wilderball 2.0. It is boring, let's be honest. Being so far away I can't go to games but I do want to be out of my seat when I watch on TV and instead I found myself on my phone during a lot of games this season. We earned 92 points but I think that gives a false impression of how well we played--in fact, I think we were lucky. I was willing to defend it up until Christmas because I thought Wilder had done brilliantly to build a strong defensive base and the JTW would give him chance to add that bit of attacking magic. But instead he spent an awful lot of money to make us worse.

I expect we'll still be in the mix for the play offs if Wilder stays. And I can definitely see the point of those saying it's a huge gamble to replace him now. But I think we have an opportunity to start fresh with a new direction and I hope we take it.

Have a like. I'm slightly on the other side (Wilder in) of the fence, but really agree with the gist of your post.

 

[Striker]

My recollection is that when Chris arrived he had a completely different style of play in mind to that we ended up using. As time has gone on I'm less and and less convinced that the change to a wing back system and his big reputation was as much luck as anything else.

It gives me no pleasure to say that but we all witnessed the inability to identify his best team and make the right tactical choices before and during games. Especially from April onwards this season after other managers had worked his tactics out and seen our general lack of fitness. Scratch squad or not I think you would agree that we turned out to have a higher standard and depth of resources than anyone else, apart from Leeds and Sunderland.

The comparisons we should be making are not with Brian Robson, Nigel Adkins, Kevin Blackwell, Slav Javanovic, and Billy McEwan; it is with Chris' peers. We are likely to be competitive next season and facing another playoff campaign regardless of who we have, including Chris. Sadly I think we could find somebody better able to manage that last month or two.

Weren't the people I named compared with their peers at the time? Yet they failed miserably

Burnley also had greater resources than us especially at the beginning of the season. So therefore the 3 teams that went up had bigger budgets.

Tactics and substitutions are subjective, you can never prove another option would have proved any more successful.

We changed upwards of 9 players at the beginning of the season. I'd say what we set off with was very much a scratch side.

I will agree that the quality of football has not been as entertaining this year as in CW's first spell.

Finally the fact that we lost 2 of our best players in Soutar and Arblaster mid season was a massive setback.

CW needs our support not criticism.
92 points is a successful season, especially given the issues he faced last year.

 

[Big.Dane.w]

We 100% should be actively looking for a new manager, identifying a list of requirements and attributes then creating a shortlist of managers that fit that bill and ones that could be attainable should they come out of work or be willing to move. As soon as one of these identified targets is available pull the trigger and shake Wilders hand, no room or time for sentiment just act fast before the target gets snapped up elsewhere (should have gone for Manning imo). Wilder won’t change at this stage of his life, he’s always gonna be the cocky, one of the lads, need a big target man, passion over pace, graft over flair, defend over attack type of manager and I’m personally bored of it.

 

[Aston max]

Pure speculation I know !! But we honestly don't know how the owners feel about cw ,there are so many options out there as to how this ends ?
Have they got AI searching for his replacement ?
Have they already done it and waiting to see what the cost would be ?
Has des Taylor still been involved in this search on top of his player recruitment remit ( not heard much about him lately)
Surely they must have noticed he's lost a lot of the fan base

Personally still think they were wrong with the length of contract they gave cw in January, should've been 12 months not till 2027
I've said this elsewhere this could be wilders last job because club owners will be watching with interest

 

[Andy67]

I still feel the whole thing with Slav made the club look shit and very small time. Why lie to the bloke to get him through the door, then break all the promises made to give him what was needed to repeat what he did at Fulham? The absolute definition of chucking someone under the bus.

Without going over the chap who ran this club I think he made a very good appointment in Slav but he was always going to fail. If you got rid of wilder and put Slav in now I think he’d fail if AI becomes the driver behind recruitment. On that basis keep Wilder and but 4 more computers and data analysts without any football experience.