Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[sheepbridge]

At least re-appointing Wilder stopped any stupid point-scoring about where we'd have finished if someone other than Wilder had replaced Selles.

I'm pretty sure if we were in the exact same position we are in now with somone else in charge many people would be saying "should have re-appointed Wilder, board messed up again. Most of these are his players and achieved 92 points last season don't you know. We'd have been in the playoffs at least. Look at Southampton and Norwich."

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Exactly, had we won that match we’d have been above Wrexham in the table. Given that Wrexham are currently 6th on 70 points with a squad that is no better than ours, I fail to see how anyone can suggest that the playoffs we never a possibility.

We kept getting ourselves in a really good position to make a run for the play offs but after that point we never actually did anything about it.

One step forwards, two steps back.

To look at the the table now and see us 13 points off 6th is really disappointing.

 

[alcoblade]

Stop bringing facts into the discussion. He gets the club don’t you know. Only man for us.

Said almost nobody, ever.

 

[alcoblade]

There’s a lot of people on various platforms defending him by saying ‘he was brought back to keep us up and that is what he’s done’

‘So much praise’ might be over the top but I think it’s a low benchmark to be marking him by personally.

And I'd agree with you

 

[luffenhamblade]

Said almost nobody, ever.

Yes, it's rather pathetic yet amusing how often a few people feel the need to express themself in this way!

 

[I should coco]

Literally anyone could have done that. It is not an achievement.

Yeah, like Gary Rowett at Leicester, Eric Ramsay at WBA, Tudor at Spurs etc.

Literally anybody must be better than Wilder, eh?

 

[Dkc]

We kept getting ourselves in a really good position to make a run for the play offs but after that point we never actually did anything about it.

One step forwards, two steps back.

To look at the the table now and see us 13 points off 6th is really disappointing.

If we'd been taking one step forward and two steps back after Wilder took over we'd have been relegated. It's more like two steps forward and one step back.

 

[LBA_Blade]

I agree. Expectations are far higher these days across English football and consequently the turnover of managers is much higher.

When I first started watching football a finish of mid-table in the second tier wouldn't have triggered calls for the manager to be sacked. It would have been seen as an okay season. Like most other clubs we didn't get promoted but we didn't get relegated either.

How many seasons did we finish mid-table under Warnock before we finally went up? He finally got it right after five or six seasons in the second tier without promotion.

This demand for instant success reflects today's impatient society. We want instant gratification and if we don't get it, something needs to change.

If you are classing below mid table it was only twice which was the Dec-May of his 1/2 a season of his time in charge where he saved us from relegation for a 16th place finish and again in 2001/02 where we finished 13th. We finished 8th twice and 10th once along with 3rd (triple assault season) and 2nd and we weren't exactly breaking the bank on signings either.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

If we'd been taking one step forward and two steps back after Wilder took over we'd have been relegated. It's more like two steps forward and one step back.

I meant roughly from December when we started looking up towards the play offs.

The six games from 8th November to 9th December was our best run of the season.

Blades 0-0 QPR
Wednesday 0-3 Blades
Blades 3-0 Portsmouth
Leicester 2-3 Blades
Blades 4-0 Stoke
Blades 1-1 Norwich

 

[Balham]

They werent neck and neck when Wilder was appointed.

When Wilder was appointed, we had 0 points from 5 matches. We now have 57 from 45.

The play off teams (ie the ones we needed to catch to have any chance of meeting the season's objective)
Millwall had 7 from 5 and now have 80 from 45 (+16 gain)
Middlesbrough had 13 from 5 and now have 79 from 45 (+9 gain)
Southampton had 6 from 5 and now have 77 from 45 (+14 gain)
Wrexham had 4 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+9 gain)
Hull had 5 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+8 gain)
Derby had 5 from 5 and now have 69 from 45 (+7 gain)

We didn't need to do much over the 40 matches Wilder's had in charge. Maybe not losing 17 of them would have been a start. Or chucking away 30-odd points from winning positions.

 

[Dkc]

When Wilder was appointed, we had 0 points from 5 matches. We now have 57 from 45.

The play off teams (ie the ones we needed to catch to have any chance of meeting the season's objective)
Millwall had 7 from 5 and now have 80 from 45 (+16 gain)
Middlesbrough had 13 from 5 and now have 79 from 45 (+9 gain)
Southampton had 6 from 5 and now have 77 from 45 (+14 gain)
Wrexham had 4 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+9 gain)
Hull had 5 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+8 gain)
Derby had 5 from 5 and now have 69 from 45 (+7 gain)

We didn't need to do much over the 40 matches Wilder's had in charge. Maybe not losing 17 of them would have been a start. Or chucking away 30-odd points from winning positions.

The other Championship managers had a full summer to bring in their own players and organise them into their preferred formation and system. Wilder faced his first game almost immediately after coming in.

Saying that he is a failure because he didn't hit the ground running immediately with Selles' confused and disheartened team is unfair.

Wilder first had to get the team to play to his system instead of the complete nonsense they were playing under Selles. He didn't get a chance to bring in his own players until late January.

 

[sitwell]

When Wilder was appointed, we had 0 points from 5 matches. We now have 57 from 45.

The play off teams (ie the ones we needed to catch to have any chance of meeting the season's objective)
Millwall had 7 from 5 and now have 80 from 45 (+16 gain)
Middlesbrough had 13 from 5 and now have 79 from 45 (+9 gain)
Southampton had 6 from 5 and now have 77 from 45 (+14 gain)
Wrexham had 4 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+9 gain)
Hull had 5 from 5 and now have 70 from 45 (+8 gain)
Derby had 5 from 5 and now have 69 from 45 (+7 gain)

We didn't need to do much over the 40 matches Wilder's had in charge. Maybe not losing 17 of them would have been a start. Or chucking away 30-odd points from winning positions.

All the other teams had systems, players ,and staff in place ,Wilder had a fucking shambles ,terrible system, disillusioned players, shit players with no motivation. Are you seriously saying thats a level playing field ? The desperation in these arguments is embarrassing.

 

[YES Blade]

The other Championship managers had a full summer to bring in their own players and organise them into their preferred formation and system. Wilder faced his first game almost immediately after coming in.

Saying that he is a failure because he didn't hit the ground running immediately with Selles' confused and disheartened team is unfair.

Wilder first had to get the team to play to his system instead of the complete nonsense they were playing under Selles. He didn't get a chance to bring in his own players until late January.

As the majority of the squad were managed by Wilder for the entirety of the 2024/25 season, do you not think it should’ve been relatively straightforward for them to revert back to Wilder’s style of play?

Selles may be a shit manager, but I doubt he was able to wipe the memories of our players so that they have no knowledge of ever being managed by Wilder!

 

[Balham]

The other Championship managers had a full summer to bring in their own players and organise them into their preferred formation and system. Wilder faced his first game almost immediately after coming in.

Saying that he is a failure because he didn't hit the ground running immediately with Selles' confused and disheartened team is unfair.

Wilder first had to get the team to play to his system instead of the complete nonsense they were playing under Selles. He didn't get a chance to bring in his own players until late January.

Neither did Eckhart at Southampton or Hellberg at Middlesbrough.

Wilder has been a failure this season. There are partially mitigating circumstances but objectively he's lost as many as he's won.

All the other teams had systems, players ,and staff in place ,Wilder had a fucking shambles ,terrible system, disillusioned players, shit players with no motivation. Are you seriously saying thats a level playing field ? The desperation in these arguments is embarrassing.

I agree with you much of the time Sitwell but Wilder has had these players for 40 league matches so, frankly, any issues with motivation and system are his. The "desperate argument" is actually that Sellés is somehow still to blame for us failing this season when the incumbent manager has had 8x as many matches.

It's also worth pointing out that our last starting XI had as many players signed under Wilder (3) as under Sellés. Four of the five subs were Wilder signings too so by the end of the match we had 5 Wilder signings, 3 Sellés signings, 2 Heckingbottom signings and 1 academy graduate on the pitch.

Davies - Heckingbottom
Seriki - academy
Tanganga - Sellés
McGuinness - Sellés
Hjelde - Wilder
Peck - academy
Arblaster - academy
Chong - Sellés
O'Hare - Wilder
Hamer - Heckingbottom
Bamford - Wilder

Used subs:
Hoever - Wilder
Ings - Sellés
Cannon - Wilder
Burrows - Wilder
Rothwell - Wilder

 

[YES Blade]

All the other teams had systems, players ,and staff in place ,Wilder had a fucking shambles ,terrible system, disillusioned players, shit players with no motivation. Are you seriously saying thats a level playing field ? The desperation in these arguments is embarrassing.

Surely if Wilder can use the Selles excuse, so can Hull? He was manager at Hull for much longer so his destruction was far greater?

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Love the idea that people on this forums would be happy with Scott Parker

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Table after 10 games. 5 for Selles, 5 for Wilder. It’s a six point gap to Southampton, a few weeks ago people were tipping us to catch that last play off spot with a 7-9 pt gap to make up.

That's after 8 games as it clearly shows.

 

[YES Blade]

Neither did Eckhart at Southampton or Hellberg at Middlesbrough.

Wilder has been a failure this season. There are partially mitigating circumstances but objectively he's lost as many as he's won.



I agree with you much of the time Sitwell but Wilder has had these players for 40 league matches so, frankly, any issues with motivation and system are his. The "desperate argument" is actually that Sellés is somehow still to blame for us failing this season when the incumbent manager has had 8x as many matches.

It's also worth pointing out that our last starting XI had as many players signed under Wilder (3) as under Sellés. Four of the five subs were Wilder signings too so by the end of the match we had 5 Wilder signings, 3 Sellés signings, 2 Heckingbottom signings and 1 academy graduate on the pitch.

Davies - Heckingbottom
Seriki - academy
Tanganga - Sellés
McGuinness - Sellés
Hjelde - Wilder
Peck - academy
Arblaster - academy
Chong - Sellés
O'Hare - Wilder
Hamer - Heckingbottom
Bamford - Wilder

Used subs:
Hoever - Wilder
Ings - Sellés
Cannon - Wilder
Burrows - Wilder
Rothwell - Wilder

As Wilder has managed Hamer and Davies for 2 years, I’d class them as his players personally.

 

[sitwell]

Neither did Eckhart at Southampton or Hellberg at Middlesbrough.

Wilder has been a failure this season. There are partially mitigating circumstances but objectively he's lost as many as he's won.



I agree with you much of the time Sitwell but Wilder has had these players for 40 league matches so, frankly, any issues with motivation and system are his. The "desperate argument" is actually that Sellés is somehow still to blame for us failing this season when the incumbent manager has had 8x as many matches.

It's also worth pointing out that our last starting XI had as many players signed under Wilder (3) as under Sellés. Four of the five subs were Wilder signings too so by the end of the match we had 5 Wilder signings, 3 Sellés signings, 2 Heckingbottom signings and 1 academy graduate on the pitch.

Davies - Heckingbottom
Seriki - academy
Tanganga - Sellés
McGuinness - Sellés
Hjelde - Wilder
Peck - academy
Arblaster - academy
Chong - Sellés
O'Hare - Wilder
Hamer - Heckingbottom
Bamford - Wilder

Used subs:
Hoever - Wilder
Ings - Sellés
Cannon - Wilder
Burrows - Wilder
Rothwell - Wilder

So a third of the team that started (,2 out of the 3 are our arguably our best players) were his signings ,its just as much about the players he didnt have.
Why the desperation to run him down ? Lets see what a pre season and a new season brings, it wont be the start we had this season.

 

[metalblade]

The Wilder fan boys only want to look to the good run we had November to Xmas what they don't want to consider is the shit show from January, 40 games and a transfer window was more than enough time to get the team playing half decent. We are playing as badly now as we did in the six games where Sellés was in charge.

 

[sitwell]

The Wilder fan boys

Whats wrong with you people.

 

[LSF]

He's go

Whats wrong with you people

He's known for such crap Sitwell

 

[Lane Ender]

Lets see what a pre season and a new season brings, it wont be the start we had this season.

I’m no faith in this management it could be a whole lot worse next season

 

[YES Blade]

So a third of the team that started (,2 out of the 3 are our arguably our best players) were his signings ,its just as much about the players he didnt have.
Why the desperation to run him down ? Lets see what a pre season and a new season brings, it wont be the start we had this season.

I can understand why there is a view to give him more time because he’s not doing a terrible job, he’s done ok.

If he was 40 matches in and hadn’t managed at the club before I think there would be a bit more patience. But 10 years at the club off and on, there is a lot of Wilder fatigue.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I didn't expect Wilder to get us promoted this season but the play offs did look really doable at one point.

Go back and see what the table looked like when we were winning 1-3 at Wrexham on Boxing Day.

Exactly out thought by Parkinson.