Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

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I'm taking a realistic approach. We were utterly shite at the start of the season.

We were actually worse than Wednesday at that time. Performances were bad.

We've stayed up. First objective. We've flirted with getting in the top 6 and sadly look like falling short. And we've seen some good performances mixed in with some poorer ones.

If it were any other manager we would be pretty pleased with this. Looking at next season hoping we can plan and build a capable squad.

There's going to have to be some realism. We likely we need to sell a few.
But what remains and what is brought in will be interesting.

I can see the system being tweaked or changed a bit too.
 



You cannot criticise Wilder look how he’s turned it around after the early season fiasco
His tactics and lineups are questionable sometimes but the majority of home performances have been entertaining.
The players respect him and will play for him no doubt.
Bottom line is we’d be staring relegation in the face if he hadn’t returned.
 
I'm not defending him ,but the truth is Selles was the wrong choice with hindsight (obviously), new club, relatively inexperienced as a manager, didn't know the players etc, had to face Boro, Bristol City, Millwall & Ipswich in his first 5 games, 3 of which have been near the top all season, owners reacted early enough for anyone to have time to save us imo. When we lost at Wembley I said I'd give Wilder till Christmas this season to have another go then decide what to do, here we are in the same situation, whether to give him another year or not, this season being over already by 2nd week in March!, we need to battle on and put out the best side we can from now on in, the 'Punters' as he calls us deserve it, we haven't had a cup run either,he's not interested, and though attendances may drop off by a couple of thousand anyway, lets give him till Christmas again
( treading water!) If no improvement he has to go, he'll not walk out as he won't get another top job like this, take all his staff with him, Knilly, Prestridge etc and that should be the end of the bladey blade stuff, don't make him DOF or anything similar, gone forever, a legendwho beloved for what he's done I the past ,but we need to move with the times
 
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BerksBlade said:
I didn't say nobody else would work. I said a different type of manager. Wilder & Bettis appear to be running the club on their own - most successful clubs do not operate this way anymore. But neither appears to want to change (by appointing a DoF for example).
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Well of course they wouldn't, that'd be like a turkey voting for Christmas
 
YES Blade said:
With 41 matches still to play, do you honestly think the owners ambitions for the rest of the season was avoiding relegation?
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Yes I do. There was a real.prospect of that happening and obviously the club was a mess. However that doesn't excuse soem of the recent (lack of) perfomeances and I suspect that the Board will be looking at alternatives already if we don't get iff to a good start
 
SBSP said:
Do we call time now to start preapring for next season or let him see out the meaningless end to the season?

Glad he stopped us from getting relegated, but clearly what he once had to push on is gone.
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Wilder will be here, either continuously or intermittently, until he retires or dies. The owners bringing him back has set that in stone. We're Melchester Rovers without the success.
 
Lane Ender said:
You cannot criticise Wilder look how he’s turned it around after the early season fiasco
His tactics and lineups are questionable sometimes but the majority of home performances have been entertaining.
The players respect him and will play for him no doubt.
Bottom line is we’d be staring relegation in the face if he hadn’t returned.
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He’s lost nearly as many as he’s won.

He’ll be here next year, he’ll sign some injury prone out of condition shite in the summer, play dogshit football and finish mid table. He’ll then get let go at the end of his contract and we’ll start the shit show all over again.

He’ll be back in the job in 2028.
 
Without wholesale modernisation of the club, starting with recruitment, we are going to be treading water at best for quite a while to come. We certainly won’t be establishing ourselves in the PL, that chance was blown in the summer 2020 transfer window. That being the case, all that really matters is that we don’t get relegated to L1. So whoever the manager is, as long as they achieve that they are just caretaking a club at roughly its natural level until such time that we crawl into the 21st century. It doesn’t really matter if Wilder goes or stays.
 
Lane Ender said:
You cannot criticise Wilder look how he’s turned it around after the early season fiasco
His tactics and lineups are questionable sometimes but the majority of home performances have been entertaining.
The players respect him and will play for him no doubt.
Bottom line is we’d be staring relegation in the face if he hadn’t returned.
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I think it's this argument that causes the most friction. Sacking Selles and replacing him with an experienced, competent Championship manager was the requirement. Someone with experience of running a full 1st team operation, not just coaching. It didn't have to be Wilder.

That doesn't mean he hasn't had relative success or done a decent job. I actually think he's done a better job this season than he did post Souttar inhury last season. But the argument that only Wilder was capable is the sticking point because other managers have joined Championship teams in varying states part way through this season and earned more points per game etc
 
Nick Jansky said:
Without wholesale modernisation of the club, starting with recruitment, we are going to be treading water at best for quite a while to come. We certainly won’t be establishing ourselves in the PL, that chance was blown in the summer 2020 transfer window. That being the case, all that really matters is that we don’t get relegated to L1. So whoever the manager is, as long as they achieve that they are just caretaking a club at roughly its natural level until such time that we crawl into the 21st century. It doesn’t really matter if Wilder goes or stays.
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I'm of that opinion as well.

I don't see Wilder being here past the end of his contract next season and would love us to try something/someone different but without using the next 15 months to modernise the backroom department, and I don't mean coaching staff, then I honestly don't see anything but utter failure like the other 2 times he's left.
 
Upton_Blade said:
I'm of that opinion as well.

I don't see Wilder being here past the end of his contract next season and would love us to try something/someone different but without using the next 15 months to modernise the backroom department, and I don't mean coaching staff, then I honestly don't see anything but utter failure like the other 2 times he's left.
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We got promoted back to the PL after the first time he left so that couldn’t be said to be utter failure. But we were still hamstrung by the hangover from the awful recruitment from 2019 onwards, so the archaic “system” within the club did ultimately fail us again.
 
BerksBlade said:
I would be all for replacing him in the summer if the structure was in place to allow a different type of manager to flourish.
But it's not - and it won't be. So Wilder carries on unless we want a
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Lane Ender said:
You cannot criticise Wilder look how he’s turned it around after the early season fiasco
His tactics and lineups are questionable sometimes but the majority of home performances have been entertaining.
The players respect him and will play for him no doubt.
Bottom line is we’d be staring relegation in the face if he hadn’t returned.
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You have absolutely no idea which players do or don't respect him.
Unless you are part of the inner circle🤔
 
Nick Jansky said:
We got promoted back to the PL after the first time he left so that couldn’t be said to be utter failure. But we were still hamstrung by the hangover from the awful recruitment from 2019 onwards, so the archaic “system” within the club did ultimately fail us again.
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Honestly if Hecky hadn't agreed to come back after the disaster of Slav then I doubt we'd have got that promotion. Luckily he's very similar to Wilder tactically so managed to get a tune out of Wilder's squad that was left.
 
Pintor75 said:
I'm not defending him ,but the truth is Selles was the wrong choice with hindsight (obviously), new club, relatively inexperienced as a manager, didn't know the players etc, had to face Boro, Bristol City, Millwall & Ipswich in his first 5 games, 3 of which have been near the top all season, owners reacted early enough for anyone to have time to save us imo. When we lost at Wembley I said I'd give Wilder till Christmas this season to have another go then decide what to do, here we are in the same situation, whether to give him another year or not, this season being over already by 2nd week in March!, we need to battle on and put out the best side we can from now on in, the 'Punters' as he calls us deserve it, we haven't had a cup run either,he's not interested, and though attendances may drop off by a couple of thousand anyway, lets give him till Christmas again
( treading water!) If no improvement he has to go, he'll not walk out as he won't get another top job like this, take all his staff with him, Knilly, Prestridge etc and that should be the end of the bladey blade stuff, don't make him DOF or anything similar, gone forever, a legendwho beloved for what he's done I the past ,but we need to move with the times
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It's like bleeding groundhog day🙄
 



Nick Jansky said:
Without wholesale modernisation of the club, starting with recruitment, we are going to be treading water at best for quite a while to come. We certainly won’t be establishing ourselves in the PL, that chance was blown in the summer 2020 transfer window. That being the case, all that really matters is that we don’t get relegated to L1. So whoever the manager is, as long as they achieve that they are just caretaking a club at roughly its natural level until such time that we crawl into the 21st century. It doesn’t really matter if Wilder goes or stays.
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Theres been some brillant games great entertainment
 
SBSP said:
Do we call time now to start preapring for next season or let him see out the meaningless end to the season?

Glad he stopped us from getting relegated, but clearly what he once had to push on is gone.
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Yep coz worked out soooll well last summer. You think this squad he has now would be the squad if the idiots in charge hadnt sacked him and gone for an AI idiot? In less than 31 games he has picked up 49 points with thiz shit squad. Beyond a joke all these calling for his head.
 
Willglynning said:
This idea that Wilder is the only person who could have turned around the atrocious start to this season is borderline outrageous.

He’s course corrected an abysmal start- but I don’t understand people thinking that he’s the only manager that could have got a tune out of what is still a strong starting 11.

If anyone reading this genuinely thinks that Chris Wilder is the only man for the job, then you are part of the problem.
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Love this 'part of the problem' line. Pray tell give me another manager who would have come in and sorted it out? Who was available at that time? Is wilder god? No. But my word has he not sorted this utter shitshow out with an absolute joke of a cast of players.
 
bartman said:
I am not a Wilder fan and don't want him as manager. His inability to alter tactics during a game is staggering especially in the 2nd half of games where opposition teams try something different tactically. In general, he keeps following a 'process' then blames the players when it doesnt work
However, his main job when he was brought in after Selles was to avoid relegation. Wilder has done this so credit to him. We will.lose the 6 on loan players at the end of the season along with Ings,Shackleton(?), Tom Davies(maybe some other who are out of contract) and will probably have to sell a couple of players at least .

He has a big rebuild job ,whether he can do this is open to question but,based on the fact he has achieved the primary objective for the club this season, I think he needs to be given the opportunity.
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Rebuilt after callamitous PL season and nearly got us promoted. He can do it. I worry that some fans just want rid to see different football. I am not a wildermanic but certainly i trust him more to get it right than another new manager. Certainly if they go left field again
 
YES Blade said:
With 41 matches still to play, do you honestly think the owners ambitions for the rest of the season was avoiding relegation?
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No team has lost first 6 games and stayed up. Mathematically I know we aint safe but thats some achievement if we get over the line. And yes. You dont lose 6 games and go up
 
Nick Jansky said:
Without wholesale modernisation of the club, starting with recruitment, we are going to be treading water at best for quite a while to come. We certainly won’t be establishing ourselves in the PL, that chance was blown in the summer 2020 transfer window. That being the case, all that really matters is that we don’t get relegated to L1. So whoever the manager is, as long as they achieve that they are just caretaking a club at roughly its natural level until such time that we crawl into the 21st century. It doesn’t really matter if Wilder goes or stays.
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I think you are spot on with that post

We really need to get rid of Knill & Co and get some younger more progressive coaches into the club and tell Wilder to listen to them

Unfortunately I think we have reached a watershed under these new owners. They don’t have a clue and we are destined to hang about the championship for some years with the odd flirt with relegation

Under them we will never threaten automatic or even the play offs and crowds will inevitably drop off
 



David Wheatley said:
I think you are spot on with that post

We really need to get rid of Knill & Co and get some younger more progressive coaches into the club and tell Wilder to listen to them

Unfortunately I think we have reached a watershed under these new owners. They don’t have a clue and we are destined to hang about the championship for some years with the odd flirt with relegation

Under them we will never threaten automatic or even the play offs and crowds will inevitably drop off
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I think we will occasionally make the playoffs, but basically we are now set to join the likes of West Brom, Norwich and Stoke.
 
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