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Maybe the naivety of the new owners giving wilder a 4 year contract is a stumbling block in him departing with the pay off amount involved 🤔
 

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It's a low brow porker. Don't pay it any mind. They have sausage for brains.
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It's a good job that 95% of the people on this forum are intelligent people who post genuine, constructive, thoughtful replies, then there is the other 5% who are pathetic, clueless,, childish and post moronic replies. Welcome to the 5% club!
 
Silky Sabella said:
It's a good job that 95% of the people on this forum are intelligent people who post genuine, constructive, thoughtful replies, then there is the other 5% who are pathetic, clueless,, childish and post moronic replies. Welcome to the 5% club!
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Happy to join you there my old sausage 😎🤣.
 

For what it's worth, find below an AI analysis of the question:

Sheffield United: Should Wilder Stay or Go?

The question of whether Sheffield United should sack Chris Wilder to improve their promotion chances next season is complex, requiring an analysis of his performance, the team's current state, and fan sentiment. Here’s a breakdown of key considerations:

1.​

Sheffield United narrowly missed promotion in the 2024/25 Championship play-off final, losing 2-1 to Sunderland in stoppage time. Wilder acknowledged the defeat was "tough to take" but emphasized the need for resilience and learning from setbacks . While the loss extended United’s dismal play-off record (0 wins in 10 attempts), Wilder argued that historical trends shouldn’t define the current squad’s potential.

2.​

Wilder has a strong legacy at Sheffield United, having led them from League One to the Premier League in his first stint (2016–2021) and stabilizing the team after relegation in 2024. This season, he adapted tactically, shifting from his famed "overlapping centre-backs" to a more pragmatic 4-4-2, which nearly secured promotion 8. His ability to rebuild the squad smartly—e.g., signing Tyrese Campbell, Michael Cooper and Harrison Burrows—was praised

3.​

Wilder remains a fan favourite due to his emotional connection to the club and past successes. After the play-off defeat, he stressed unity, urging players to "own the disappointment" and grow from it. However, some critics, like Simon Jordan, argue Wilder’s recent managerial stints (e.g., Middlesbrough, Watford) show inconsistency and question his ability to elevate the team further.

4.​

The squad faces potential upheaval, with key players like Vini Souza and Gus Hamer likely to depart. Wilder’s ability to rebuild will be critical, especially if striker Tom Cannon—a £10m flop so far—fails to deliver. Retaining Wilder could provide continuity, but a new manager might bring fresh ideas to address recruitment gaps.

5.​

Sacking Wilder would risk destabilizing a team already reeling from play-off trauma. Historical data shows that mid-season managerial changes in relegation zones rarely improve outcomes (only 43% survival rates). However, if the board believes Wilder’s tactics have plateaued, a new manager could inject urgency—though this is speculative.

Conclusion: Stick with Wilder​

Given Wilder’s deep club ties, recent tactical flexibility, and the risks of upheaval, sacking him seems premature. His ability to motivate the squad and learn from this season’s near-miss could be pivotal for 2025/26. However, the board must back him in the transfer market to address weaknesses (e.g., striker depth, defensive stability). If results stagnate early next season, reassessment may be warranted.

For now, stability under Wilder—coupled with strategic signings—offers the best path to promotion.
 
I'd love for him to stay, instill a style like in 2016-2020.

But this last year has been to just win regardless of how. It's resulted in poor performances, negative tactics, and just boring to watch.

Despite the points haul, I'm in favour of a change.
 
I didn’t fancy being part of this debate post final whistle but I do enjoy the chat on here.l so I suppose I’ve inadvertently unflounced!

Forget your views on Wilder the person for a moment.

My take is simply this, if a young, newly assembled team finishes on 92 points, 23 points ahead of their closest remaining rivals in the division and broke the record for semi final aggregate only to fall at the final hurdle then this team doesn’t require revolution. It requires tweaking.

It just feels like there was too much to do in two windows.

Central defence became unsatisfactory after Souttar got injured and there was no permanent solution at right back. There seems a desire to get Dunne to join. Him and Seriki along with Burrows and McCallum make us good at fullback. Unless he signs a new deal we’ll try to move on Anel. But that money can possibly bring back Souttar and the likes of Mepham and Darling are available on frees and even Holding may be a fresh consideration.

The central midfield looks strong for next season. Arblaster, Peck, O’Hare, Davies, Souza. The latter I feel may leave but I also feel Choudhury may come in.

I feel Hamer will go. His contributions will be missed but I also feel the system used to accommodate him impedes the rest of the team. We’ve gone with inverse wingers of which he is one. I can’t help but feel that conventional wingers would suit a front two far more. Whilst we emphasised his individual play, I don’t feel we really supplied the forwards with a lot of chances. Recruit well in this area and we’ll probably get a lot more from Moore, Cannon, Campbell and Oné, not to mention if we actually played Brereton-Diaz as a centre forward rather than as a winger on the wrong side.

This season was exceptional with 2 x 100 point teams. Ipswich weren’t fancied to go up originally. Like us when we went up that don’t have PL depth and they will lose their star man. I don’t see them approaching the season from a position of dominance. This Leicester team has reached the end of the Vardy era and has supposed financial concerns. Saints were awful and a lot remains to be seen as to whether Will Still can create a revolution from one window.

I’m not sure ultimate failure can be classed as a blessing but I’d expect very assured performances from Peck, Arblaster and Seriki and perhaps more consistency from Brooks in what will no longer be a break out season for them.

The baby doesn’t need throwing out with the bath water this summer in my opinion. We were so close, the improvements are obvious and the summer is the time to make them.
 
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Champagneblade said:
I didn’t fancy being part of this debate post final whistle but I do enjoy the chat on here.l so I suppose I’ve inadvertently unflounced!

Forget your views on Wilder the person for a moment.

My take is simply this, if a young, newly assembled team finishes on 92 points, 23 points ahead of their closest remaining rivals in the division and broke the record for semi final aggregate only to fall at the final hurdle then this team doesn’t require revolution. It requires tweaking.

It just feels like there was too much to do in two windows.

Central defence became unsatisfactory after Souttar got injured and there was no permanent solution at right back. There seems a desire to get Dunne to join. Him and Seriki along with Burrows and McCallum make us good at fullback. Unless he signs a new deal we’ll try to move on Anel. But that money can possibly bring back Souttar and the likes of Mepham and Darling are available on frees and even Holding may be a fresh consideration.

The central midfield looks strong for next season. Arblaster, Peck, O’Hare, Davies, Souza. The latter I feel may leave but I also feel Choudhury may come in.

I feel Hamer will go. His contributions will be missed but I also feel the system used to accommodate him impedes the rest of the team. We’ve gone with inverse wingers of which he is one. I can’t help but feel that conventional wingers would suit a front two far more. Whilst we emphasised his individual play, I don’t feel we really supplied the forwards with a lot of chances. Recruit well in this area and we’ll probably get a lot more from Moore, Cannon, Campbell and Oné, not to mention if we actually played Brereton-Diaz as a centre forward rather than as a winger on the wrong side.

This season was exceptional with 2 x 100 point teams. Ipswich weren’t fancied to go up originally. Like us when we went up that don’t have PL depth and they will lose their star man. I don’t see them approaching the season from a position of dominance. This Leicester team has reached the end of the Vardy era and has supposed financial concerns. Saints were awful and a lot remains to be seen as to whether Will Still can create a revolution from one window.

I’m not sure ultimate failure can be classed as a blessing but I’d expect very assured performances from Peck, Arblaster and Seriki and perhaps more consistency from Brooks in what will no longer be a break out season for them.

The baby doesn’t need throwing out with the bath water this summer in my opinion. We were so close, the improvements are obvious and the summer is the time to make them.
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Totally agree. Wilder isnt perfect and should look to take the break off a little more in our general play, and start insisting to the players that they play with a higher tempo during games (rather than having us just knocking the ball from side to side or going backwards when in good positions), and he needs to get a grip on the number of players who are out on their feet after 60 minutes.

That said, i still think he is the man for next season provided results are good and we are doing well from the start. We need to get off to a flyer and look to dominate the league and with careful recruitment (yes, i know some have doubts on Wilder here) there is no reason why we can't replicate what Leeds did after their PO final defeat the season before this one just gone. I think if we stick with Wilder we will go very well again. I understand the call for change and the reasons why, and I'm not totally against it either, but in im definitely leaning towards give Wilder this season to do it after we got 92 points last time. He will be more determined than ever once he's refocused. No reason why with a bit of tweaking why we can't be the main players this season (and Wilder can call me a 'punter' all he likes provided he gets results next season).
 
Weasel said:
Totally agree. Wilder isnt perfect and should look to take the break off a little more in our general play, and start insisting to the players that they play with a higher tempo during games (rather than having us just knocking the ball from side to side or going backwards when in good positions), and he needs to get a grip on the number of players who are out on their feet after 60 minutes.

That said, i still think he is the man for next season provided results are good and we are doing well from the start. We need to get off to a flyer and look to dominate the league and with careful recruitment (yes, i know some have doubts on Wilder here) there is no reason why we can't replicate what Leeds did after their PO final defeat the season before this one just gone. I think if we stick with Wilder we will go very well again. I understand the call for change and the reasons why, and I'm not totally against it either, but in im definitely leaning towards give Wilder this season to do it after we got 92 points last time. He will be more determined than ever once he's refocused. No reason why with a bit of tweaking why we can't be the main players this season (and Wilder can call me a 'punter' all he likes provided he gets results next season).
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I listen to Benjamin Bloom each season and one of the things he points out is that teams that tend to do well boast stability. I’m just not convinced that upheaval is what is required. Wilder is one year into a new project. Someone else comes in and it’s a new project with a revised timeline. Some players who were know can play well under Wilder may not flourish. Sort out the defence to levels it was at the start of the season, get the right wide players in, retain the young guys who will be a year more developed and we’re on.
 
Problem is which brains trust would be involved in recruitment of any Wilder replacement? Bettis ? Who . The Americans wouldn’t have a clue . I would like a director of football to stand over and validate any of Wilders / new potential managers choices . Recruitment will be critical this summer.
 
Champagneblade said:
I didn’t fancy being part of this debate post final whistle but I do enjoy the chat on here.l so I suppose I’ve inadvertently unflounced!

Forget your views on Wilder the person for a moment.

My take is simply this, if a young, newly assembled team finishes on 92 points, 23 points ahead of their closest remaining rivals in the division and broke the record for semi final aggregate only to fall at the final hurdle then this team doesn’t require revolution. It requires tweaking.

It just feels like there was too much to do in two windows.

Central defence became unsatisfactory after Souttar got injured and there was no permanent solution at right back. There seems a desire to get Dunne to join. Him and Seriki along with Burrows and McCallum make us good at fullback. Unless he signs a new deal we’ll try to move on Anel. But that money can possibly bring back Souttar and the likes of Mepham and Darling are available on frees and even Holding may be a fresh consideration.

The central midfield looks strong for next season. Arblaster, Peck, O’Hare, Davies, Souza. The latter I feel may leave but I also feel Choudhury may come in.

I feel Hamer will go. His contributions will be missed but I also feel the system used to accommodate him impedes the rest of the team. We’ve gone with inverse wingers of which he is one. I can’t help but feel that conventional wingers would suit a front two far more. Whilst we emphasised his individual play, I don’t feel we really supplied the forwards with a lot of chances. Recruit well in this area and we’ll probably get a lot more from Moore, Cannon, Campbell and Oné, not to mention if we actually played Brereton-Diaz as a centre forward rather than as a winger on the wrong side.

This season was exceptional with 2 x 100 point teams. Ipswich weren’t fancied to go up originally. Like us when we went up that don’t have PL depth and they will lose their star man. I don’t see them approaching the season from a position of dominance. This Leicester team has reached the end of the Vardy era and has supposed financial concerns. Saints were awful and a lot remains to be seen as to whether Will Still can create a revolution from one window.

I’m not sure ultimate failure can be classed as a blessing but I’d expect very assured performances from Peck, Arblaster and Seriki and perhaps more consistency from Brooks in what will no longer be a break out season for them.

The baby doesn’t need throwing out with the bath water this summer in my opinion. We were so close, the improvements are obvious and the summer is the time to make them.
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Sorry I think our midfield is weak especially if Souza goes. Injury prone and not athletic enough
 
Th!stledo said:
For what it's worth, find below an AI analysis of the question:

Sheffield United: Should Wilder Stay or Go?

The question of whether Sheffield United should sack Chris Wilder to improve their promotion chances next season is complex, requiring an analysis of his performance, the team's current state, and fan sentiment. Here’s a breakdown of key considerations:

1.​

Sheffield United narrowly missed promotion in the 2024/25 Championship play-off final, losing 2-1 to Sunderland in stoppage time. Wilder acknowledged the defeat was "tough to take" but emphasized the need for resilience and learning from setbacks . While the loss extended United’s dismal play-off record (0 wins in 10 attempts), Wilder argued that historical trends shouldn’t define the current squad’s potential.

2.​

Wilder has a strong legacy at Sheffield United, having led them from League One to the Premier League in his first stint (2016–2021) and stabilizing the team after relegation in 2024. This season, he adapted tactically, shifting from his famed "overlapping centre-backs" to a more pragmatic 4-4-2, which nearly secured promotion 8. His ability to rebuild the squad smartly—e.g., signing Tyrese Campbell, Michael Cooper and Harrison Burrows—was praised

3.​

Wilder remains a fan favourite due to his emotional connection to the club and past successes. After the play-off defeat, he stressed unity, urging players to "own the disappointment" and grow from it. However, some critics, like Simon Jordan, argue Wilder’s recent managerial stints (e.g., Middlesbrough, Watford) show inconsistency and question his ability to elevate the team further.

4.​

The squad faces potential upheaval, with key players like Vini Souza and Gus Hamer likely to depart. Wilder’s ability to rebuild will be critical, especially if striker Tom Cannon—a £10m flop so far—fails to deliver. Retaining Wilder could provide continuity, but a new manager might bring fresh ideas to address recruitment gaps.

5.​

Sacking Wilder would risk destabilizing a team already reeling from play-off trauma. Historical data shows that mid-season managerial changes in relegation zones rarely improve outcomes (only 43% survival rates). However, if the board believes Wilder’s tactics have plateaued, a new manager could inject urgency—though this is speculative.

Conclusion: Stick with Wilder​

Given Wilder’s deep club ties, recent tactical flexibility, and the risks of upheaval, sacking him seems premature. His ability to motivate the squad and learn from this season’s near-miss could be pivotal for 2025/26. However, the board must back him in the transfer market to address weaknesses (e.g., striker depth, defensive stability). If results stagnate early next season, reassessment may be warranted.

For now, stability under Wilder—coupled with strategic signings—offers the best path to promotion.
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See that's the thing with AI, it's intelligence is artificial.

Wilder out.
 
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