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It was Wilders fault that their player bent a beauty past four of our defenders into the bottom corner. It was his fault Tanganga put one in his own net and it was definitely his fault McGuiness got injured and couldn't get back to challenge Jebbo.
FFS once these players cross the line it's up to them to be responsible.
 
I don’t hate Wilder nor do I love him . There are better managers out there and worse . Long term Wilder will be gone I would imagine as the club recycles itself. The running of SUFC is the issue and the players / manager are the sum of those decisions.
Remote ownership + Bettis = Failure
Sort the top of the club out focus your frustration on that .
 
Gimli said:
3 wins from 7 after 6 losses from 6 under the previous ‘manager’.

Careful what you wish for
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Tbh anyone whose managed at this level whose got experience would most likely get the same
The fact we gave the job to an incompetent but consistent failure who then formed a back room team in his image who’d never played the game says so
 
Loco Blade said:
I don’t hate Wilder nor do I love him . There are better managers out there and worse . Long term Wilder will be gone I would imagine as the club recycles itself. The running of SUFC is the issue and the players / manager are the sum of those decisions.
Remote ownership + Bettis = Failure
Sort the top of the club out focus your frustration on that .
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wilder is like a poker player, he can only play with the hand he’s dealt

But you can ask the question…..

Is he making the most of the cards he has?

Compared to Selles, he’s doing well

Could he be doing better? Yes

Players, manager, Bettis & owners - when all 4 are failing, this is the outcome.
 
There is no doubt that we are a better team under Wilder than under Selles. We barely broke sweat under him, had zero goal threat and looked like a team that was nailed on for relegation. Players like Campbell, O'Hare and even Burrows have visibly improved. Admittedly, we still look like a bang average second tier side, but I see us gradually moving clear of the relegation zone, especially if we can get some of our key injured players back. January will obviously be key in getting rid of some of the dead wood, as our summer transfer dealing was horrendous.
 
McGuiness should have stayed down on floor screaming and baying, (not having a go at him), he wanted to get back and try to defend, so full creds to him, no one covered him, any other champ player would have stayed down and we might have had a free kick. Sometimes we are too honest on the pitch.
 
Bladesthorpe said:
It was Wilders fault that their player bent a beauty past four of our defenders into the bottom corner. It was his fault Tanganga put one in his own net and it was definitely his fault McGuiness got injured and couldn't get back to challenge Jebbo.
FFS once these players cross the line it's up to them to be responsible.
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1If Wilder had stuck with McCallum who’d had one very good and one good performance before it’s likely the ball wouldnt have got there

2 If Wilder stopped playing Tanganga as a makeshift in a three almost a wing back at times that he’s obviously not comfortable in then
that own goal may not have happened

The third wouldnt have happened if Wilder does 1 or both of the first 2
 
I’ll take the upset of losing the third game if we win the prior two, for the rest of the season.

Would get us 77 points which would have still been more than Sunderland who spozzed it and went up.

If we’re not going to finish top two then it’s as well being 3rd as 6th with our PO history.

So yes, I’ll happily take 2 wins from 3 in a 3 game week for the rest of the season!
 
Bladesthorpe said:
It was Wilders fault that their player bent a beauty past four of our defenders into the bottom corner. It was his fault Tanganga put one in his own net and it was definitely his fault McGuiness got injured and couldn't get back to challenge Jebbo.
FFS once these players cross the line it's up to them to be responsible.
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What a ridiculous reply. By that notion managers are never blameless then? Complete mystery so many lose their jobs, it’s all down to the players!
 

Bladesthorpe said:
It was Wilders fault that their player bent a beauty past four of our defenders into the bottom corner. It was his fault Tanganga put one in his own net and it was definitely his fault McGuiness got injured and couldn't get back to challenge Jebbo.
FFS once these players cross the line it's up to them to be responsible.
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Everything true but hes not slow to take the plaudits when we win is he? It should work both ways but he NEVER EVER takes responsibility for anything that goes wrong and that grates a lot. He should show a little bit of humility every now and again but he doesn't and thats why he can be difficult to warm to.
 
knowsnowt said:
I couldn't go tonight as I couldn't go. But what a disgrace.
His main speech is all about "seeing games out". So how does he defend that?
If you support his turd return you're part of the problem.
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I can’t wait to bump this wanker thread through out the season 😂
 
The most irritating part of this season (so far) is that should we have stuck with Wilder at the end of last season, we would undoubtedly be significantly better right now and have a much stronger squad. The division is so unbelievably shit, any half decent side looks like they’ll walk it.

For example, Leicester who are currently 10th in the league have won 1 more game than we have (tbf, they’ve also drawn 5 more). Any side that puts a consistent run of results together will find themselves right towards the top of the league.
 
I am a Wilder supporter but his after match on R Sheffield ramble was embarrassing comparing last night match to Bouncing day
CW We will lose but move on UTB
 
Champagneblade said:
I’ll take the upset of losing the third game if we win the prior two, for the rest of the season.

Would get us 77 points which would have still been more than Sunderland who spozzed it and went up.

If we’re not going to finish top two then it’s as well being 3rd as 6th with our PO history.

So yes, I’ll happily take 2 wins from 3 in a 3 game week for the rest of the season!
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Can’t imagine for a moment that there’s any realistic chance of that happening, though.
 
I've now sat through the last 2 games plus I've watched nearly every game since he walked back in.
(1) there's no pattern of plays ,some of them look like they're trying to make it up as they go .
(2) we're dropping back into the old get into good crossing position then stopping and looking for a backwards pass , ( I think cloughie once said you "can't score if you don't get the ball into a danger area")
(3) I applaud the 3 at the back but it's not working in midfield with peck as he's neglecting his defensive work not dropping in when the other guy moves forward.
Say what you want Norwood and fleck they covered each other's arse
(4) set pieces are all over the place
(5) baffling substitutions

Midfield 2 needs to be jaira and Soumare solid footing.
And cannon should be nowhere near the squad.

Right I'm having a JD to calm down
 
Wilder could do a lot to win back his sceptics if he started naming match day squads without Tom Cannon in them.
 
Champagneblade said:
I’ll take the upset of losing the third game if we win the prior two, for the rest of the season.

Would get us 77 points which would have still been more than Sunderland who spozzed it and went up.

If we’re not going to finish top two then it’s as well being 3rd as 6th with our PO history.

So yes, I’ll happily take 2 wins from 3 in a 3 game week for the rest of the season!
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I just hope we’re allowed to play Watford, Blackburn and Preston in rotation all season and we’ll be ok, 2 were piss poor and the other are the definition of a mid-table championship club. The problem is we might have to play some decent teams at some point.
 
I loved our first Wilder, he was a god, a legend and one of our own.

Unfortunately the crown has slipped and he isn’t the manager he was, the game has changed in the past few years, Chris hasn’t. He’s still trying to find gems and turn pigs ears into silk purses when , at the end of the day they are pigs ears, end of.

He turned arrogant, stubborn etc and it’s not a good look when we’re not winning, his last 10 games of last season were a disaster. Forget Sellés (100% owners fault) and in the last 6 games he’s gone from chipper and emboldened with new found confidence to the manager he was at the end of last season.

Please Chris, take a well earned retirement, you are destroying the legacy you built and becoming an object of ridicule.

Owners are to blame playing the Oky-kooky with his job but that’s a problem it will take another decade and S6 type soap opera to resolve.
 
Blade56 said:
I loved our first Wilder, he was a god, a legend and one of our own.

Unfortunately the crown has slipped and he isn’t the manager he was, the game has changed in the past few years, Chris hasn’t. He’s still trying to find gems and turn pigs ears into silk purses when , at the end of the day they are pigs ears, end of.

He turned arrogant, stubborn etc and it’s not a good look when we’re not winning, his last 10 games of last season were a disaster. Forget Sellés (100% owners fault) and in the last 6 games he’s gone from chipper and emboldened with new found confidence to the manager he was at the end of last season.

Please Chris, take a well earned retirement, you are destroying the legacy you built and becoming an object of ridicule.

Owners are to blame playing the Oky-kooky with his job but that’s a problem it will take another decade and S6 type soap opera to resolve.
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Excellent post!
 
Amazing how a defeat can get people to come out of the woodwork and turn the sword. Didn't see these comments after winning the previous two.

For me all about context. Under Selles we looked like conceding multiple goals per game and didn't look like we would really score. So there is only one outcome there and it's losses and that's what we got. But the damage of that and a bit of poor recruitment has a knock on.

Wilder has come back and it's not been instant turnaround. But we are now competing in games. Don't look to be conceding as many chances (still too many at times) and the confidence to create chances is coming back.
This has been shown by more goals being scored and 3 wins out of 7.

But it's fair to say we should have got something against Southampton and Hull and we shouldn't have thrown Friday nights game away. Albeit they can take a bit of luck for their 2nd and 3rd goals. I suppose we can for our 2nd too.

For me there is an improvement but it's step by step. Last Tuesday was a good step forward. Friday we played well most of the first half but overall it's a step back.

Wilder won't be here forever but why would we get rid based on the above right now? if we go on a really poor run of form that's a different story but there is overall improvement.
 
wadblade said:
I am a Wilder supporter but his after match on R Sheffield ramble was embarrassing comparing last night match to Bouncing day
CW We will lose but move on UTB
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To be fair I got the analogy. Preston were dead and buried but to concede just before half time got the players up and the crowd up. Similar happened at said game.
They came out after half time pumped.

Had we avoided that goal game probably pans out very differently.
 
Loco Blade said:
I don’t hate Wilder nor do I love him . There are better managers out there and worse . Long term Wilder will be gone I would imagine as the club recycles itself. The running of SUFC is the issue and the players / manager are the sum of those decisions.
Remote ownership + Bettis = Failure
Sort the top of the club out focus your frustration on that .
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Could you name a few better managers who'd be realistic for us? I'm hoping it's not just the latest flash in the pan who's having a good year?
 

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