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[seanbeenstattoo]

http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/annual-competitions/superstars-uk.htm

 

[Grizzly blade]

As to football v tennis, I'm confident Andy Murray's fitness levels, if tested, would be way ahead of the vast majority of UK footballers.

What makes you say that?
I would suggest it would depend on how that fitness is measured. Running? Strength? Mixture of disciplines?

Ask a tennis player to play football to the intensity of a pro footballer for 90 minutes would show the tennis player would struggle, and likewise the same to a footballer they would struggle with pro level tennis. Each athletes fitness and physique is honed to their own sport.

But comparing a game of tennis to football and criticising footballers because they can't perform to their max levels for 3 games in a week while suggesting a tennis player will play 5 sets two days in a row and don't complain....or a few times in a week is daft. It's the same.
Footballers are non stop from beginning of July to May. In pre season they are beasted, during the season there are games at least every 7 days, with multiple weeks of 3 games within 7 days. Tennis players play tournaments and may get knocked out early...they might make the final and play 5 matches. In most tournaments it is best of 3 sets, and the better players who play the most games also win quicker until the latter stages. In between games they have a sit down and a rest....in between points there is often time to get breath back etc. Some points are over with one shot and some games over in 4 serves......

You get the gist.

Finally, I have said this before that until you see first hand the fitness levels of pro footballers compared to even the fittest amateurs or youth players at pro clubs you cannot appreciate the levels they are at.

 

[Bert]

A top footballer runs about 7 miles in a game, a tennis player....?

 

[Bladesthorpe]

I think he has been a professional footballer though - haven't you Bladethorpe?

Back in't day like. Working a full shift darn t' pit then pulling on ' t jersey and dubbin 't boots then going out there wi 't leather casey and entertaining folks in t' days when a keyboard was only something you found on a piano (or similar instruments).

I agree with him tbh. I used to play all day every day in t' school holidays and never got tired once.

I was Cerberus but that was more than 50 years ago, different game now as these modern players are much fitter than we were but having said that we were ploughing through muddy waterlogged pitches that were really knackering at the time but we didn't know any different then. I remember heading the old case ball with the lace sticking out when that was wet it hurt I can tell you, makes me laugh that they are going on about brain damage after heading the ball, if that's the case then half of the population must be walking round ga ga. There again.

 

[JohnDenver]

What makes you say that?
I would suggest it would depend on how that fitness is measured. Running? Strength? Mixture of disciplines?

Ask a tennis player to play football to the intensity of a pro footballer for 90 minutes would show the tennis player would struggle, and likewise the same to a footballer they would struggle with pro level tennis. Each athletes fitness and physique is honed to their own sport.

But comparing a game of tennis to football and criticising footballers because they can't perform to their max levels for 3 games in a week while suggesting a tennis player will play 5 sets two days in a row and don't complain....or a few times in a week is daft. It's the same.
Footballers are non stop from beginning of July to May. In pre season they are beasted, during the season there are games at least every 7 days, with multiple weeks of 3 games within 7 days. Tennis players play tournaments and may get knocked out early...they might make the final and play 5 matches. In most tournaments it is best of 3 sets, and the better players who play the most games also win quicker until the latter stages. In between games they have a sit down and a rest....in between points there is often time to get breath back etc. Some points are over with one shot and some games over in 4 serves......

You get the gist.

Finally, I have said this before that until you see first hand the fitness levels of pro footballers compared to even the fittest amateurs or youth players at pro clubs you cannot appreciate the levels they are at.

This.

The fitness requirements are different and therefore the comparisons aren't very useful. Murray is about as fit as a tennis player can be. Kante is probably as fit as a footballer can be. Different requirements, different physical strengths.

 

[S5Blade]

A top footballer runs about 7 miles in a game, a tennis player....?

It's not uncommon for a player to run more than three miles during a five set match, though in more extreme cases, players have run more than five. That is particularly impressive when you consider how tiny a tennis court is (27 feet wide for singles)

 

[Bert]

It's not uncommon for a player to run more than three miles during a five set match, though in more extreme cases, players have run more than five. That is particularly impressive when you consider how tiny a tennis court is (27 feet wide for singles)

How often do they play five sets?

 

[S5Blade]

How often do they play five sets?

Not very often..... 3 sure, 4 every now and then, 5 is not common.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's not uncommon for a player to run more than three miles during a five set match, though in more extreme cases, players have run more than five. That is particularly impressive when you consider how tiny a tennis court is (27 feet wide for singles)

Despite this the most physical movement in tennis is the first serve. Tennis players also hit the ball with phenomenal speed, something akin to a boxer throwing a punch (which is of course exhausting). It's not just just the running that's exhausting, but the serve and the shots. It was far less exhausting when the game was played on super quick grass courts, hard courts and indoor carpet. They slowed down and homogenised the courts and the game became incredibly physical. Advances in sports science mirrored this development.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Some other factors worthy of consideration are the fact that tennis players play a great volume of matches. Andy Murray, for example, played eighty seven pro matches last year. The differences between surfaces provide different physical challenges in the way you move, footwork, the way you hit the ball and the parts of the body you need to use more or less, in order to play these shots. The surface changes put strain on different parts of the body, and require intense periods of mid season training in order to prepare the body and avoid injury. You don't really get vastly different surfaces in football.
There is also the length of the tennis season which is December until November with no winter breaks (common in football, although not in Britain).There is no long break in between tennis seasons. Tennis players begin their pre season around three weeks after the following season ending.There is also the phenomenal amount of travelling involved and the nomadic lifestyle they lead. Again Murray played in around twenty different places requiring long flights which take it out of the body and mind. Also adaption to different climates is required during the season and pre seasons are routinely undertaken in hot and humid conditions..

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm not keen on managers being too smart..
Droping 5 players like that for me was a gamble too far. We nearly lost our goalkeeper,and we dropped 2 points, so now we have to beat Bolton to gain a point.
Three points are three points no matter who your playing........

Hanson was injured. Coutts was a first teamer returning having missed the last game. Sharp, Duffy and Freeman were rested. 2 of them are the wrong side of 30 and all 3 have played the vast majority of games this season. Resting 3 players in those circumstances 4 days before a proverbial 6 pointer is entirely understandable. Especially when you consider that they are 3 of our top scorers and creators, 2 of which will be facing their old club Saturday. We want those 3 to be 100% at it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think he has been a professional footballer though - haven't you Bladethorpe?

Back in't day like. Working a full shift darn t' pit then pulling on ' t jersey and dubbin 't boots then going out there wi 't leather casey and entertaining folks in t' days when a keyboard was only something you found on a piano (or similar instruments).

I agree with him tbh. I used to play all day every day in t' school holidays and never got tired once.

Well we played on broken glass, barefoot, and instead of a football, we used a brick.



But now days, I throw my back out with a sneeze and have to stretch before tying my shoes.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No one suggests boxers have an easy time, 45 minutes max with a sit down every 3 minutes? No, because you've got some cunt trying to beat the living crap out of you at the same time. No point trying to compare footballers with tennis players.

Indeed. I’ve never really played tennis but having dabbled in football and boxing in my youth, I can honestly say an hour playing 5 a side is less tiring than a few 3 minute rounds in the ring. There’s nowt more tiring than getting punched and having to do something about it when you’re already blowing out your arse.

 

[Pinchy]

Hanson was injured. Coutts was a first teamer returning having missed the last game. Sharp, Duffy and Freeman were rested. 2 of them are the wrong side of 30 and all 3 have played the vast majority of games this season. Resting 3 players in those circumstances 4 days before a proverbial 6 pointer is entirely understandable. Especially when you consider that they are 3 of our top scorers and creators, 2 of which will be facing their old club Saturday. We want those 3 to be 100% at it.

The fallacy lies in the proposition, that many have assumed, that we would necessarily have won the game with a 'full strength' team. Football being football, that's manifestly a false premise.

 

[Pinchy]

Indeed. I’ve never really played tennis but having dabbled in football and boxing in my youth, I can honestly say an hour playing 5 a side is less tiring than a few 3 minute rounds in the ring. There’s nowt more tiring than getting punched and having to do something about it when you’re already blowing out your arse.

Frank Bruno had a remedy. Every time he got chinned properly he would freeze like a statue and skip the 'do something about it' bit.

Easy.

 

[BushBlade]

Indeed. I’ve never really played tennis but having dabbled in football and boxing in my youth, I can honestly say an hour playing 5 a side is less tiring than a few 3 minute rounds in the ring. There’s nowt more tiring than getting punched and having to do something about it when you’re already blowing out your arse.

Danny Kelly summed it up on the radio the other week when he said it was like doing a triathlon whilst somebody is repeatedly punching you.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The fallacy lies in the proposition, that many have assumed, that we would necessarily have won the game with a 'full strength' team. Football being football, that's manifestly a false premise.

True. We'll never know the outcome in the alternative scenario. Many might believe we were more likely to win with those 3 key players in and there's valid grounds for thinking that but of course, no guarantees.

 

[BushBlade]

True. We'll never know the outcome in the alternative scenario. Many might believe we were more likely to win with those 3 key players in and there's valid grounds for thinking that but of course, no guarantees.

Many people believe in Scientology but it doesn't make it true.
People making assumptions that we'd have won playing our 'first team' are doing so without full knowledge of the circumstances, such as the fitness of the players and what minor injuries they're carrying.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Many people believe in Scientology but it doesn't make it true.
People making assumptions that we'd have won playing our 'first team' are doing so without full knowledge of the circumstances, such as the fitness of the players and what minor injuries they're carrying.

For some the assumption is they think they know more than Wilder.

In the topsy turvy world of Blades fora, we've gone from pissing the league to we're all doomed to which game can we win the league to Wilder dropping a bollock and throwing away two points away from home.

 

[I should coco]

For some the assumption is they think they know more than Wilder.

Football fans the world over. Watching 90 minutes every other week gives a clarity of vision and judgement, that a bloke who spends every day with them on the training ground, just can't get.....

In the topsy turvy world of Blades fora, we've gone from pissing the league to we're all doomed to which game can we win the league to Wilder dropping a bollock and throwing away two points away from home.

I seem to remember similar under Basset and Warnock. Sadly the 'boom to bust' timespan gets ever shorter.

After the debacle of last season, most on here wanted CW to just build something (anything) and the play offs would have been a bonus this season. How expectations change!

 

[BushBlade]

For some the assumption is they think they know more than Wilder.

In the topsy turvy world of Blades fora, we've gone from pissing the league to we're all doomed to which game can we win the league to Wilder dropping a bollock and throwing away two points away from home.

Football's emotional, that, and it's unpredictability, is why we like it so we're all guilty of talking crap at times.

There's nothing wrong with discussing why a manager does things, or doesn't do things, but we sometimes forget that we only see the tip of the iceberg. The ninety minutes once or twice a week, not all the other stuff like fitness reports, opposition analysis reports, how the players train etc.

The idea that if we play the same team every week, we'll get the same result may satisfy Einstein's over quoted theory of insanity but doesn't reflect the reality.

Every team rotates players at times, if they have more than forty odd games in a season. That's been happening for a long time now so I don't understand why some people just don't get it.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions but when a question is phrased along the lines of 'why didn't he do what I think he should have done, because if he had we'd have won' it stops being a question and becomes a criticism. As much as I value my opinion, and others on here, non of us have walked in Wilder's shoes, and sometimes we need to bear that in mind when throwing shit at him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Football's emotional, that, and it's unpredictability, is why we like it so we're all guilty of talking crap at times.

There's nothing wrong with discussing why a manager does things, or doesn't do things, but we sometimes forget that we only see the tip of the iceberg. The ninety minutes once or twice a week, not all the other stuff like fitness reports, opposition analysis reports, how the players train etc.

The idea that if we play the same team every week, we'll get the same result may satisfy Einstein's over quoted theory of insanity but doesn't reflect the reality.

Every team rotates players at times, if they have more than forty odd games in a season. That's been happening for a long time now so I don't understand why some people just don't get it.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions but when a question is phrased along the lines of 'why didn't he do what I think he should have done, because if he had we'd have won' it stops being a question and becomes a criticism. As much as I value my opinion, and others on here, non of us have walked in Wilder's shoes, and sometimes we need to bear that in mind when throwing shit at him.

I was referring less to general discussion and more to lurching from one extreme to the other based on one or two games.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

For some the assumption is they think they know more than Wilder.

In the topsy turvy world of Blades fora, we've gone from pissing the league to we're all doomed to which game can we win the league to Wilder dropping a bollock and throwing away two points away from home.

What's happened to "the forum is all about other peoples opinions" ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

What's happened to "the forum is all about other peoples opinions" ?

Tell me where I said anyone shouldnt have an opinion?

But you seemed to think Hanson was injured and then comment that we nearly lost our goalkeeper, which comes into the argument where? Players get injured. It could have been Couuts or Duffy. Are you suggesting because Wilder made changes Long should have played to protect Moore?

 

[Benny and the Blades]

I'm not keen on managers being too smart..
Droping 5 players like that for me was a gamble too far. We nearly lost our goalkeeper,and we dropped 2 points, so now we have to beat Bolton to gain a point.
Three points are three points no matter who your playing........

Choose what conclusions you've drawn from this Sean you have to admit 5 changes is quite dramatic, and must surely have had an effect on the teams performance,

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Choose what conclusions you've drawn from this Sean you have to admit 5 changes is quite dramatic, and must surely have had an effect on the reams performance,

I think what the players do to each other in the privacy of the dressing room should remain a secret,and it is certainly non of your business

 

[Benny and the Blades]

I think what the players do to each other in the privacy of the dressing room should remain a secret,and it is certainly non of your business

Naturally, as long as it doesn't affect their performance......

 

[Darthblade]

Does the game not stop when the ball goes out of play, goal kick, throw in, corner, players getting booked/sent off, injured or time wasting. Plus half time that's now gone from 10 mins to 20 mins, have a look on Saturday and see how stop start the game is and how long the game flows without interruption, I think you may be surprised.

And ....... with the amount of time that some of the oppositions goalkeepers waste without being punished by the truly shit referees in L1 .......

You could almost get the pipe and slippers out some games ........

UTB & FTP

 

[Sean Thornton]

Choose what conclusions you've drawn from this Sean you have to admit 5 changes is quite dramatic, and must surely have had an effect on the teams performance,

I was surprisd at so many changes but am unable to say we'd have won playing an unchanged team. With their home record I would have taken a draw irrespective of any changes before the game and hoped for no injuries or red cards, with Saturday on the horizon and being a possible six pointer.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And ....... with the amount of time that some of the oppositions goalkeepers waste without being punished by the truly shit referees in L1 .......

You could almost get the pipe and slippers out some games ........

UTB & FTP

You don't sit in John Street then?