Why is it always "Sack the Manager?"

[GRUMPY BLADE]

yes there is they have fans ,,, we have fans , its a big world out there it extends beond shoreham street , fans of all clubs get uppity
as I sat there listening to one fan calling Benzemar a useless mother fucker I thought I could be on the kop listening to a blade encouraging Higdon in the same way

If Benzemar is a useless mother fucker I'm sure Higdon falls in a different category?

 

[blade too long]

If Benzemar is a useless mother fucker I'm sure Higdon falls in a different category?

precisely ,,,,shows what fans know

 

[Bladesway]

If Benzemar is a useless mother fucker I'm sure Higdon falls in a different category?

Fat useless etc etc

 

[Bladesway]

yes there is they have fans ,,, we have fans

Wow, with a depth of insight like that I can't understand why more people don't listen to your every word.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Really? My bad.

Yes, I was replying to his post.

Don't fret, we all make mistakes. I did compliment your OP earlier but that was not "a patronising pat on the head "either.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wow, with a depth of insight like that I can't understand why more people don't listen to your every word.

Posters who pick out one-lines out of context with one-line comments often choose to quote out of "context". Really poor.

Bit like politicians with their Tory soundbites.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Posters who pick out one-lines out of context with one-line comments often choose to quote out of "context". Really poor.

Bit like politicians with their Tory soundbites.

They can't all have "Tory soundbites" though, can they?

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Wow, with a depth of insight like that I can't understand why more people don't listen to your every word.

It's all the comma abuse I can't stand.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wow, with a depth of insight like that I can't understand why more people don't listen to your every word.

Another sound bite. Too easy to take a line out of context too.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yes, and we chanted for Cough Snr at the match when that was proven not to be the case.

There were three golden periods before that sad day. My worry is that his son has lost that early managerial career optimism and energy. Seriously, only a few managers achieve more in the second half of their careers. Nigel looks a comfortable family man these days.

 

[wizadry]

we are a professional football club with thousands of fans , we follow our 11 every week in exactly the same way
its utter bollocks to say theres no similarities , it is identical
what teams win or dont win is inconsequential , my premise was the fans of the most successful side in europe moan just like we do , they disparage players we could only dream of owning, theres massive gulfs in honours and cash but the fans ,,,,, which was my point if your intelligent enough to read it , are identical , they dont jump up and down better than us and we get excited easier as we are so starved of success, but they moan exactly like we do if they dont beat inferior , as they see it teams , bit like us losing to Fleetwood Real losing to say Vallecano , I fail to see when OR WHERE i PUT SUFC WERE ON A PAR WITH REAL MADRID AS A TEAM .
smarty arse remarks like they are 2nd , are how low you have to stoop to make a point ,pedantic remarks are for weak arguments , glad I didnt put 70k crowd you would have told me it was only 69986 just to show how clever you are

First of all i never boast to be clever, i just get sick and tired of people berating our fans and using us as an excuse just to come on here and talk crap. Secondly, me saying they are second isn't a smarty arse comment, it is fact mate.

You talk about weak arguments, who's arguing? If you compared us to someone like Preston, Bristol City, Cardiff or Birmingham (just examples) then maybe we could have debated it better, but Real Madrid? I will finish with no matter what you say, our fans wouldn't boo after qualifying for a Champions league quarter final, so we're nothing like Real Madrid fans on that note alone.

 

[Woodwardfan]

First of all i never boast to be clever, i just get sick and tired of people berating our fans and using us as an excuse just to come on here and talk crap. Secondly, me saying they are second isn't a smarty arse comment, it is fact mate.

You talk about weak arguments, who's arguing? If you compared us to someone like Preston, Bristol City, Cardiff or Birmingham (just examples) then maybe we could have debated it better, but Real Madrid? I will finish with no matter what you say, our fans wouldn't boo after qualifying for a Champions league quarter final, so we're nothing like Real Madrid fans on that note alone.

It's not all about Real Madrid. Btl could have been at a game at Hpool, Blackpool or Liverpool, the same things can happen.



Fans are fans the world over. If expectations are not met then they will not be happy.

 

[Bladesway]

Another sound bite. Too easy to take a line out of context too.

Ooh your testy today. What's up still not Googled Doris Stokes?

 

[wizadry]

It's not all about Real Madrid. Btl could have been at a game at Hpool, Blackpool or Liverpool, the same things can happen.



Fans are fans the world over. If expectations are not met then they will not be happy.

This is why i said if he compared us to someone relatively the same size as us, then we might have been able to debate it better. We can't be like Madrid as we haven't won anything like them. We wouldn't boo any of our players if we got through any kind of competition would we? No and that's why all fans aren't the same, some are plastic and as a whole we are light years away from being a plastic fanbase.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Ooh your testy today. What's up still not Googled Doris Stokes?

Still on my missionary role. Still a way to go yet.

Back to the point, how poor is it to pick out an odd sentence in a post? David Cameron does that. So do other politicians. You're bigger than that, but you do like your one-liners, so does Cameron, but his are written for him.

BTW I wish we had persevered with that lad Stokes, another not big enough to cope with playing for our "big club".

 

[Woodwardfan]

This is why i said if he compared us to someone relatively the same size as us, then we might have been able to debate it better. We can't be like Madrid as we haven't won anything like them. We wouldn't boo any of our players if we got through any kind of competition would we? No and that's why all fans aren't the same, some are plastic and as a whole we are light years away from being a plastic fanbase.

Real Madrid fans at the ground are not plastic. Expectations are expectations at every level.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

There were three golden periods before that sad day. My worry is that his son has lost that early managerial career optimism and energy. Seriously, only a few managers achieve more in the second half of their careers. Nigel looks a comfortable family man these days.

Brian Clough was a giant amongst small men, and I was proud that Blades fans recognised his greatness, taking account of those golden periods.

 

[wizadry]

Real Madrid fans at the ground are not plastic. Expectations are expectations at every level.

I never said their fans were plastic, i said "all fans aren't the same, some are plastic" read it again mate. How anybody can have expectations other than to win a football match is beyond me. Real Madrid qualified ffs. I repeat our fans would never boo our team if we ever qualified for a quarter final of a Champs League, that is just ludicrous and shows that we are fuck all like Real Madrid.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Ooh your testy today. What's up still not Googled Doris Stokes?

I've googled Doris Stokes now and am even more confused. Maybe you should stick to your one-liners!

I'd love you to explain it though. Feel free. One line will do!

 

[Woodwardfan]

I wouldn't say this is the biggest load of shit iv'e heard but it's certainly in the top two. For one, Real Madrid aren't top. Two, we aren't no where near that standard and three our fans in general have the patience of a saint.

For anyone to judge us with a champions league side says more about themselves than it does the blades as a whole, especially the fanbase we currently have. Lets see how many fans Real Madrid have in the Spanish 3rd division and lets see how they moan then. Exactly, what a load of cobs wollop.

If people keep slating our fans as though no other fans do any different, then they'll eventually believe that the queen let them shit in her handbag.

Fair enough but tbh I think they would be much the same at this stage of our rebuild under Clough with the budget he has had and the expectation we all had, including Clough. Spain also has more saints than us!!!

 

[wizadry]

Fair enough but tbh I think they would be much the same at this stage of our rebuild under Clough with the budget he has had and the expectation we all had, including Clough.

In what way mate? I'm interested.

 

[Woodwardfan]

In what way mate? I'm interested.

Our fans are one bad performance from doing the equivalent of the white handkerchief waving. You know that as well as I do. Clough has a couple of away games now and results need to go well. Real fans have all the same loyalties and expectations. The new board have raised our expectations and indeed Clough has. We are seriously underperforming and so were Real the other night.

It doesn't emerge in just one night though, it happens over weeks, otherwise the fans would tolerate one bad game.

 

[wizadry]

We are seriously underperforming and so were Real the other night.

And this is partly my point, if we were underperforming but winning we wouldn't chuck the toys out of the pram like them mardy twats did the other night.

It doesn't emerge in just one night though, it happens over weeks, otherwise the fans would tolerate one bad game.

I agree with this but ultimately they can't have had many bad weeks to still be only 1 point behind Barcelona.

If we were one point of top in league one at this stage of the season do you reckon our fans in large would be unhappy with that? No, me neither, that's why you can't compare our fans to Real Madrids. Anyway, people are propably getting bored of this and the thread has gone way off tangent, sorry Bladesway

 

[Woodwardfan]

And this is partly my point, if we were underperforming but winning we wouldn't chuck the toys out of the pram like them mardy twats did the other night.

I agree with this but ultimately they can't have had many bad weeks to still be only 1 point behind Barcelona.

If we were one point of top in league one at this stage of the season do you reckon our fans in large would be unhappy with that? No, me neither, that's why you can't compare our fans to Real Madrids. Anyway, people are propably getting bored of this and the thread has gone way off tangent, sorry Bladesway

Ah Wiz. I thought I had just proved it was well in tune with the OP and in context, buggar!

Bit of name dropping and well out of our S2 backyard but in context!

Good fun though.

In truth fan reaction is always directly related to expectations be it S2 or in Spain.

Our own expectations are way above our actual performances. Some however expected us to be Champions by now and I guess all of us thought we would be in the mix for top 2 . There lies the gap between Clough s performance and not unreasonable expectations. As a result some fans, not me I might add, cry "sack the manager" just like the Real fans.it's not just after a bad game though these days, it's been coming for weeks.

That's my lot on it Wiz.

 

[Bladesway]

There lies the gap between Clough s performance and not unreasonable expectations.

No the gap is between the teams performance and the not unreasonable expectations. Clough is the manager so takes the brunt and as my OP said, why should it be him that is sacked. In my opinion the whole lot should take a long look at themselves. There are players on that pitch week in week out who are better than they are showing us. Cloughs fault? You could cite man management (and as someone who constantly blames the manager you will) but actually if I went to work and constantly underperformed I would blame myself not my boss.

 

[raul]

I wonder if any Madridistas go on their forms and point out Sheffield United have lost whenever they have and I wonder if that fact makes it all ok?

 

[Woodwardfan]

No the gap is between the teams performance and the not unreasonable expectations. Clough is the manager so takes the brunt and as my OP said, why should it be him that is sacked. In my opinion the whole lot should take a long look at themselves. There are players on that pitch week in week out who are better than they are showing us. Cloughs fault? You could cite man management (and as someone who constantly blames the manager you will) but actually if I went to work and constantly underperformed I would blame myself not my boss.

It's a debate which has gone on forever and can never end. There's no right or wrong answer.

Personally I believe the whole football club revolves around the football manager. Results on the pitch affect everybody and his ability and performance, given reasonable circumstances and a fair amount of time, determine results.

He signs or moves away the players. He decides team selections, formations, tactics, substitutions, plan b etc. He sets teams up and is supposed to motivate the players.

Some managers get players to run through brick walls. Others don't.

Clough has made far too many mistakes to be successful at this stage. He can still come good, maybe. I'm sure he'll get the time but again personally, I think he'll waste it for us. Then we'll have to undo all he's put in place and start again.

 

[Bladesway]

It's a debate which has gone on forever and can never end. There's no right or wrong answer.

Personally I believe the whole football club revolves around the football manager. Results on the pitch affect everybody and his ability and performance, given reasonable circumstances and a fair amount of time, determine results.

He signs or moves away the players. He decides team selections, formations, tactics, substitutions, plan b etc. He sets teams up and is supposed to motivate the players.

Some managers get players to run through brick walls. Others don't.

Clough has made far too many mistakes to be successful at this stage. He can still come good, maybe. I'm sure he'll get the time but again personally, I think he'll waste it for us. Then we'll have to undo all he's put in place and start again.

You know what up to 10 years ago I would have said you had it 100 percent right. My limited experience within a club was 30 years ago and you have it nailed. I think player power is now such that players can do what they want knowing they will pull money no matter what. Players are generally there longer than the manager so they can sit tight until the next one arrives.

 

[Woodwardfan]

You know what up to 10 years ago I would have said you had it 100 percent right. My limited experience within a club was 30 years ago and you have it nailed. I think player power is now such that players can do what they want knowing they will pull money no matter what. Players are generally there longer than the manager so they can sit tight until the next one arrives.

You know what up to 10 years ago I would have said you had it 100 percent right. My limited experience within a club was 30 years ago and you have it nailed. I think player power is now such that players can do what they want knowing they will pull money no matter what. Players are generally there longer than the manager so they can sit tight until the next one arrives.

Very true what you say. That's where " consensus management" comes to the fore. That's my problem with the autocratic Clough and the seemingly worse Garner shouting down at the group. The modern manager should be in the middle of the group taking part and working with the players. Leadership determines success which is not just decided by the players although recruiting the right types is essential.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Posters who pick out one-lines out of context with one-line comments often choose to quote out of "context". Really poor.

Bit like politicians with their Tory soundbites.

That's the best bit about replying