Who have we missed the most?

[SwissBlade]

Come out of it. Your constand defence of the club is incredibly boring.

He made a mistake and it was stupid. That's as far as I agree.

We offered him a joke of a contract. We thought we had him over a barrell and offeredhim a pittance. As a direct consequence a clause was put in his contract. It was short sighted from United. This 'we offered him a new deal' lines doesn't hold weight on closer inspection.

He moved to a bigger club, with better prospects, a better manager, a better city and more money. It is his last chance to eanr some decent cash and also to play in the big time. Only an idiot would not have gone. Yes, he should not have pladged his alleginace/future to the club, but the decision was a no brainer.

We are talking about how much we've missed him. You've been watching Unirted week in week out for the last 2 years Swiss. Are you seriously telling me that we have not missed him? Watching Bunn get down slower to the ball than my gran could and let pea rollers in from 30 yards and later Simmo flapping at anything and everything, as well as throwing in a few howlers. Come on. Kenny is twat, but we have really missed him a goal keeper!

Ollie,

There was no defence of the club in my post.

He was offered and took a new contract. Was he really on a pittance? I don't know. Personally I thought the club were wrong not to sack him, but then thats hindsight.

Paddy spoke of how the fans, yes the fans, not the club, encouraged him and gave him support during his time off. Wheres the loyalty?

Prior to his massive fcuk up, he was probably worth probably 2 mil, we got 750k for him didn't we because we stupidly put in a get out clause for him? We couldn't sell him during his gap year so HAD to bring in a loanee replacement. Glad he recognised what the club did for him!

The guy is a tosser, completely, no other word for it.

Yeah we had problems with Bunn and now with Simmo, but compare their performances to Paddy's last season, whats that? You can't because the prick couldn't read a label or listen in the drug awareness courses? The twat was supposed to be a professional, thats a laugh!

He fcuked us over good and proper. Miss him? Do me a favour!

 

[Ollessendro]

He was offered and took a new contract. Was he really on a pittance? I don't know. Personally I thought the club were wrong not to sack him, but then thats hindsight.

Paddy spoke of how the fans, yes the fans, not the club, encouraged him and gave him support during his time off. Wheres the loyalty?

Prior to his massive fcuk up, he was probably worth probably 2 mil, we got 750k for him didn't we because we stupidly put in a get out clause for him? We couldn't sell him during his gap year so HAD to bring in a loanee replacement. Glad he recognised what the club did for him!

The guy is a tosser, completely, no other word for it.

Yeah we had problems with Bunn and now with Simmo, but compare their performances to Paddy's last season, whats that? You can't because the prick couldn't read a label or listen in the drug awareness courses? The twat was supposed to be a professional, thats a laugh!

He fcuked us over good and proper. Miss him? Do me a favour!

Yes, the reason for the clause was because his wages were low. The club offered him a new deal on poor wages. Kenny (and his agent were not happy) but what could he do? If he turned it down he was on the scrap heap. Because the wages were low then Kenny and his agent asked for a clause. It was a short sighted move from United. We then tried offering a new deal, but the horse had already bolted.

I think the guy is a wanker. But what would you have done in his situation? Stayed at SUFC or gone to join Warnock at QPR?

Once you get over the fact that he is a cunt (and I agree with you) you cannot deny he was a very good kepper for us. He served the club for 8 years and made over 250 appearances. Throughout that he was a quality keeper and saved us probably somehwere between 12 and 15 points a season.

Oh no, we don't miss him. We have flappert in net, who rather than saved us points has cost us points. He has thrown away at least 7 ot 8 points this season. We sit 4 points adrift, with a dodgy keeper, but we don't mis Kenny. Why don't we miss him. Because he is a cunt!? So we keep our pride, good old Sheffield 'fuck him .... it'll be reit' and then get relegated. Pathetic argument.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

So Kenny never cost us any pints did he?

Edit: Points not pints, though he does owe me one pint after i dropped my glass watching Middlesbrough taking the lead from Paddy's own goal in the cup.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Once you get over the fact that he is a cunt (and I agree with you) you cannot deny he was a very good kepper for us. He served the club for 8 years and made over 250 appearances. Throughout that he was a quality keeper and saved us probably somehwere between 12 and 15 points a season.

I pretty much agree with you on this one. I cant comment on Paddy as a person as I didnt know him but I do think he shit on us after we stuck by him. Yes perhaps for a lot more money (making hay while the sun shines) but we had already made him a wealthy lad I should imagine. As for missing him.....as a player we definately do. It is impossible to deny that he was a very good goalkeeper for United and is still one of the best in the Championship now.

Had it not been for his poor error in judgment in getting banned and his subsequent ditching of United, I would praise him as a great servant to the club. IMO he tainted that image badly in his final year and will be remembered by many for the wrong reasons. The fact however remains that we have not properly replaced him and it has shown all season.

 

[SwissBlade]

Yes, the reason for the clause was because his wages were low. The club offered him a new deal on poor wages. Kenny (and his agent were not happy) but what could he do? If he turned it down he was on the scrap heap. Because the wages were low then Kenny and his agent asked for a clause. It was a short sighted move from United. We then tried offering a new deal, but the horse had already bolted.

He told you all this did he? Where did you get all this from?

I think the guy is a wanker. But what would you have done in his situation? Stayed at SUFC or gone to join Warnock at QPR?

Well I wouldn't have been in his situation for a start... I'd make sure I did what I was paid to do - do my job, which involves following procedures and rules. But I'll put myself in his shoes - Club stood by me for 12 months, gave me a nice contract whilst ending up in the shit without a keeper, living quite nicely thank you very much, fans and club just being supportive generally. I'd feel like I owed them at least a season. Christ I might even do it for free, And 'I'd enjoy doing it. But then again I have morals. people do right by me, then i'll do right by them.

Once you get over the fact that he is a cunt (and I agree with you) you cannot deny he was a very good kepper for us. He served the club for 8 years and made over 250 appearances. Throughout that he was a quality keeper and saved us probably somehwere between 12 and 15 points a season.

Oh no, we don't miss him. We have flappert in net, who rather than saved us points has cost us points. He has thrown away at least 7 ot 8 points this season. We sit 4 points adrift, with a dodgy keeper, but we don't mis Kenny. Why don't we miss him. Because he is a cunt!? So we keep our pride, good old Sheffield 'fuck him .... it'll be reit' and then get relegated. Pathetic argument.

He's a good keeper perhaps in the country's top few, but what good is it if he's not there? If he's on a Gap year because he didn't read the label.

Goalkeeping is about decisions, Paddy makes some poor ones on the pitch, but by god he makes some shockers off it!

I don't believe losing Paddy has had a major impact, Simmo is a decent Keeper but he's had clowns in front of him this season.

How many Shots has Simmo had to save this season compared to GK last season and the season before?

 

[Ollessendro]

I pretty much agree with you on this one. I cant comment on Paddy as a person as I didnt know him but I do think he shit on us after we stuck by him. Yes perhaps for a lot more money (making hay while the sun shines) but we had already made him a wealthy lad I should imagine. As for missing him.....as a player we definately do. It is impossible to deny that he was a very good goalkeeper for United and is still one of the best in the Championship now.

Had it not been for his poor error in judgment in getting banned and his subsequent ditching of United, I would praise him as a great servant to the club. IMO he tainted that image badly in his final year and will be remembered by many for the wrong reasons. The fact however remains that we have not properly replaced him and it has shown all season.

Talkin sense as usual SC mi owd mucker. Good, rational and balanced opinion.

He told you all this did he? Where did you get all this from?

various sources. Media. Statement by the club. Comments by him, Warnock, his agent and Birch. And also using my noggin.

Well I wouldn't have been in his situation for a start... I'd make sure I did what I was paid to do - do my job, which involves following procedures and rules. But I'll put myself in his shoes - Club stood by me for 12 months, gave me a nice contract whilst ending up in the shit without a keeper, living quite nicely thank you very much, fans and club just being supportive generally. I'd feel like I owed them at least a season. Christ I might even do it for free, And 'I'd enjoy doing it. But then again I have morals. people do right by me, then i'll do right by them.

Nice contract? He was pissed off at being offered one for less than his worth.

Ah ok, so you would have stayed a season to re-pay the fans. Then completely missed the boat. It was a fantastic opportunity for him to join Warnock. Only someone who is a numpty, disillussional or cannot see black from white would argue otherwise.

I think he could have handled it a hell of a lot better. But cannot blame him for making the choice.

He's a good keeper perhaps in the country's top few

Finally talking sense.

I don't believe losing Paddy has had a major impact, Simmo is a decent Keeper but he's had clowns in front of him this season.

Oh hang on, contradiction here. I can think of points againt Milwall, Forrest and Leicester (off the top of my head) that he cost us. Valuable points. His flapperty impressions are awful and have cost us big time. Teams have worked out he is a weakness and stick men around him and swing the ball into the 6 yard box at corners. Often they get joy. It's a rare occassion when he doesn't come and flap at a cross, usually getting nowhere near it or pathetically knocking it into the oppositions path. His shot stopping is good, but his distribution is awful.

How many Shots has Simmo had to save this season compared to GK last season and the season before?

How the fuck would I know? Roughly the same (until proven otherwise - i.e. this argument does not hold weight until you back it up with stats).

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Swiss take the red and white specs off. If Paddy was still keeping goal for us now and had performed similarly to Simonsen this season you would be defending him as well. Simmo is generally a competent keeper but much like the rest of the team he hasnt been good this season IMO. He is a part of the defence (the last line of it in fact) and has to take as much blame as those in front of him. Its about the collective and he is part of that.

Paddy did make the odd poor decision on the pitch (as well as off it) but he made some good ones as well. I can remember a few points he cost us but I remember far more that he saved us.

As far as the number of shots Simmo has had to save compared to GK last season.....I would guess that its not too many more if any. United have lost a lot of games by the odd goal where the oppo have created very few chances. We haven't been hammered that many times. We've just been unprofessional and poorly organised.....I can remember quite a few games where we've lost and Simmo has had little to do.

 

[Kopped]

Considering what most of them have done since he left, I'd have to say Neil Warnock, tbh! We wouldn't be in this mess if he was still here!

 

[SwissBlade]

Come on lads stop getting sentimental about a liability and a prick like Paddy! Take off your "everything the club does is wrong specs"


As far as the number of shots Simmo has had to save compared to GK last season.....I would guess that its not too many more if any. United have lost a lot of games by the odd goal where the oppo have created very few chances. We haven't been hammered that many times. We've just been unprofessional and poorly organised.....I can remember quite a few games where we've lost and Simmo has had little to do.

Why because I don't agree with you on Paddy do I have to be wearing red and white specs????? I don't disagree that Simmo has been shite at times. I agree that WHEN Paddy plays he's a cracking keeper. But how would we miss a keeper who didn't play all last season!

I'l say it again Ollie, Paddy owed the club big time. I've certainly read very little to suggest that he was on a bad deal with us. The lad should've been fired, plain and simple, but we did him a massive favour and he shat on us. Is that backing the club? Not at all, he had a number of good years with us, no doubt on a decent wage. One more season wouldn't have hurt, in fact if he'd performed well then he'd probably got a better deal in the PL!

I asked about the shots stat, because rather than assuming I'd like to know what the facts are.

Why did I contradict myself Ollie, because I don't think losing Paddy has been a major impact...? He IS a very good keeper. He IS not a good keeper on crosses/ corners. How many goals have come from 2nd balls off corners/ crosses. How often has the Morgan-less defence failed to clear the ball?

The guy seriously let his football team, himself and those that backed him down, had a nice little gap year whilst the team struggled... I guess he's not a team player eh!

 

[Wards]

Take any of the players from the spine of your team and replace them with players not up to scratch and the difference is there for all to see.

Paddy
Morgan
Hendo
Even Monty who's missed large chunks.

All been missed in equal measure.

 

[diplomat]

Where do you buy one of those 'I agree with Ollie' T-shirts from?

Totally with you. The big simple baby head was great for us and was a cult, that's cult, hero. I can't think of many other players in his time who got massive kop support at certain times. As a man, I have no idea what he's like. Neil keeps telling us all he's a bit thick but other than that I don't know. As for us v QPR as a career choice? Fucking hell. I think he might see some prem footy before we do. A manager who plucked him from a 50% body fat ratio at Bradford, took him to the dizzy heights of Bury, and then BDTBL and turned him into an athlete comes knocking whilst at a club more likely to achieve something than we were. Come on.

And Simmo has deffo cost us points this year more than he's saved them.

Paddy in net regardless of all the other shit around him being in disarray would have seen us in the play offs last year and not in the delegation places now (altho we'd still be in the mix of the worst teams)

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Delegation - that's relegation

 

[Ollessendro]

Diplomat - we've got some 'I agree with Ollie t-shirts', but they have 'sunshine band' and no 9 on the back. They're on the website www.sunshineband.com along with the 'bring back big Mart' and 'Lenners for chairman and Micalijo for Chief Exec' t-shirts.

Some good additions in your last post.

Swiss, deary me, Swiss. You admit to Paddy being a good kepper (and SS not so great) but we haven't missed him. Once again you are tying yourself in knots.

We'll just have to agree to disagree (again). I happen to agree with you on some of this, but I understand why Paddy left. A no brainer. As for Paddy being a good keeper, then surely this is beyond doubt. You can rambke on about number of shots, goals from crosses and la de da. But we've missed Paddy. As diplomat says we'd have got in the play offs with him last season and be safe with him between the sticks this season. Save the stuff about him getting banned for being stupid (I agree with you on this) and owing the club big time (there is more to this than there seems - can you offer a plausible explanation as to why we had a clause in his contract - a fraction of his real value - that is more likely than us giving him a shit salary?).

 

[Micalijo]

Come on lads stop getting sentimental about a liability and a prick like Paddy! Take off your "everything the club does is wrong specs"


As far as the number of shots Simmo has had to save compared to GK last season.....I would guess that its not too many more if any. United have lost a lot of games by the odd goal where the oppo have created very few chances. We haven't been hammered that many times. We've just been unprofessional and poorly organised.....I can remember quite a few games where we've lost and Simmo has had little to do.

Why because I don't agree with you on Paddy do I have to be wearing red and white specs????? I don't disagree that Simmo has been shite at times. I agree that WHEN Paddy plays he's a cracking keeper. But how would we miss a keeper who didn't play all last season!

I'l say it again Ollie, Paddy owed the club big time. I've certainly read very little to suggest that he was on a bad deal with us. The lad should've been fired, plain and simple, but we did him a massive favour and he shat on us. Is that backing the club? Not at all, he had a number of good years with us, no doubt on a decent wage. One more season wouldn't have hurt, in fact if he'd performed well then he'd probably got a better deal in the PL!

I asked about the shots stat, because rather than assuming I'd like to know what the facts are.

Why did I contradict myself Ollie, because I don't think losing Paddy has been a major impact...? He IS a very good keeper. He IS not a good keeper on crosses/ corners. How many goals have come from 2nd balls off corners/ crosses. How often has the Morgan-less defence failed to clear the ball?

The guy seriously let his football team, himself and those that backed him down, had a nice little gap year whilst the team struggled... I guess he's not a team player eh!

Paddy knew he could have got a another contract somewhere. We knew that as well so had to accept the clause.

The contract was signed. Paddy got what he wanted and SUFC got what they wanted - namely a transfer fee. Both parties reasonably happy. Had we said £2m clause PK would have gone no ta, I'll take my chances as a free agent. If we sack him, we get no transfer fee.

He is far too good a player to spend his time at SUFC and he owes us absolutely nowt.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I understand why Paddy left. A no brainer.

I think its a fair point. At the end of the day, we have to remember that being a professional footballer is a short career and no matter how rewarding it is.....logic would tell you to make hay while the sun shines. Paddy is the wrong side of 30 and probably felt it was his last chance for a big pay day. That is not me trying to defend him or very wealthy footballers.....its just a fact that such thinking would come into your decision making if you were in the same scenario. That move to QPR has probably set him up well into retirement - if not for the rest of his life!

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been loyal to the Blades because at the end of the day he still owes us big time for standing by him. But he made a decision to look after his wallet (fair enough) rather than to do arguably the morally correct thing and earn what was still a decent wage at a club that nursed him through a rough patch. I'm not saying he necessarily made the right decision by everyone else but he did for himself and sometimes you have to make a decision like that in life. Who said that Paddy found it easy? He probably didn't.

I suspect if United had just sacked him he would have probably been snapped up by Warnock at the end of his ban anyway. I doubt very much he would have been left on the scrapheap if we had chucked him and United should have known he had a good rep, so more fool the club for keeping him on if they always intended to cut his wages. There was nothing in writing that said he had to stay so why did they think they could take advantage of his stock being low? - I'm not saying to offer him that was wrong, but it was naive. Since when have footballers been known for their loyalty anyway?!

 

[TonyAgana]

Nope we picked up more points with him in the team and you remove BT's goals when under Robson/Blackwell and we would already be in League 1.

With Beattie in the side, only Beattie scored. Not a good situation.

 

[SwissBlade]

Swiss, deary me, Swiss. You admit to Paddy being a good kepper (and SS not so great) but we haven't missed him. Once again you are tying yourself in knots.

Ollie, I said from the start, he may be a very good player, but thats no good if he's banned all season - so how can you miss a player that doesn't play! Being a keeper is as much about keeping your head as well as stopping shots, just as Simmo is proving... You could say that we've also missed the Simmo that we had last season as he's been replaced by a gibbering wreck. Did I say that SS is not so great compared to Paddy?

As for the contract clause its pure speculation (as far as I understand) as to who or why it was put in there, we just know it was there and it was used, but the point was, after standing by him he shat on us at the first chance. There is a certain amount of loyalty required and expected in football even when the contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on

 

[Ollessendro]

Ollie, I said from the start, he may be a very good player, but thats no good if he's banned all season - so how can you miss a player that doesn't play! Being a keeper is as much about keeping your head as well as stopping shots, just as Simmo is proving... You could say that we've also missed the Simmo that we had last season as he's been replaced by a gibbering wreck. Did I say that SS is not so great compared to Paddy?

He was banned for one season out of 8. He made over 250 appearances. Of course we have missed him. Focusing in on one season where he (yes stupidly) got banned is not working. He made a stupid mistake of course. But discounting his many brilliant games for United because he got banned is just silly Swiss. You seem to be the only fan who doesn't think we've missed him. Cunt? Yes. Owed the club? Probably? Good keeper? Definately? Have United missed him? Absolutely!

As for the contract clause its pure speculation (as far as I understand) as to who or why it was put in there, we just know it was there and it was used, but the point was, after standing by him he shat on us at the first chance. There is a certain amount of loyalty required and expected in football even when the contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on

As Mic said, United put it in because they wanted a fee. If we'd have said it was a £2m caluse then Kenny would have just left. This bollocks about him not being able to get another contract and being left on the scrap heap is way out. He could easily have found another club. In fact, do you think it was the 5 or 6 games the end of that season or the 8 years before that won him the QPR contract? We offered Paddy a shit deal. He said, ok but I want a clause. We said ok, £2m. His agent said fuck off. They negotiated and a deal was done. Paddy got paid for a couple of months and we'd get a fee if it didn't work out. Short sighted policy and it cost us. However we recouped some money. If we'd just sacked him then we would not have got that £750k. I'd bet my shed that we made money out of him after the incident (6k a week x 52 = 312 - leaving us a tidy 400k, even paying him 10k a week would have made a little profit).

 

[SwissBlade]

Ollie, the thread is "Who have we missed the most" Read JL94x4's OP and then read my first post.

I said

Sure Paddy was a decent Keeper, but we played all of last season without him and managed to finish mid table.

For me its Morgan and a decent centre half partner, last season he had Killa and Bartley and this season Bartley was doing OK but we've not managed to find a Morgs to play alongside him, although i'd say Lowry has potential.

Then all the Paddy stuff continued, so I wrote this:

I wasn't looking to underrate Kenny, merely stating that we had a midtable finish without him, compared to languishing in the bottom 3 this season.

And then it continued, so I summarised my thoughts on Paddy:

Regarding Paddy, Lets all not forget:

- He missed the entire last season because of stupidity
- We gave him a new contract when we should've really sacked him
- He upped sticks and left when he got the first sniff of cash

He may have been banned for 1 season out of 8, but as the thread is about who've we missed most out of the players who've left in the last 24 months I'd say that we can't miss Paddy as he was out for about 8-10 months and we weren't in this predicament last season. Put what I say into the context of this thread.

Have we missed a decent Keeper - yes. Do we need or miss players like Paddy - No, we need players who want to play for the club and are professional.

 

[super_pig]

>Do we need or miss players like Paddy
umm i'd have to disagree with that one.. i think paddy had been a massive miss.. seeing as most of the goals we have conceeded have been from defensive cockups.. he was and continues to be a great keeper, any hoops fan will tell you that.. selling him was typical united short termism.. the united way.

 

[bendylegs]

Paddy
beattie
kyles
morgan
killa
am sure there is a few more if we think.

no good thinking of the past , WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE

 

[Ollessendro]

no good thinking of the past , WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE

I think we'll miss Monty next season .... after he gets his dream move to Leeds and we are left with Cresswell captaining us in League One.

 

[SwissBlade]

>Do we need or miss players like Paddy
umm i'd have to disagree with that one.. i think paddy had been a massive miss.. seeing as most of the goals we have conceeded have been from defensive cockups.. he was and continues to be a great keeper, any hoops fan will tell you that.. selling him was typical united short termism.. the united way.

So we've missed a keeper because of the defensive cock ups, not goal keeping cock ups?

I havent done this statistically, but from what i've seen at games and on BladesPlayer the majority of goals seem to fall into these categories:
- Penalties - very few keeper bringing them down
- Corners/ Crosses/ set pieces - Many from knock downs and second balls
- Scrambles in the box - see above

Yeah there have been some, not a distinctly memorable amount (but i'll gladly stand corrected) which have been goalkeeping errors on their own, last season sure Bunn made some howlers, but this season its been defensive frailties.

 

[JohnDenver]

So we've missed a keeper because of the defensive cock ups, not goal keeping cock ups?

I havent done this statistically, but from what i've seen at games and on BladesPlayer the majority of goals seem to fall into these categories:
- Penalties - very few keeper bringing them down
- Corners/ Crosses/ set pieces - Many from knock downs and second balls
- Scrambles in the box - see above

Yeah there have been some, not a distinctly memorable amount (but i'll gladly stand corrected) which have been goalkeeping errors on their own, last season sure Bunn made some howlers, but this season its been defensive frailties.

It's not just howlers - it's the lack of game-changing saves from Simmo. I suspect we became rather accustomed to Paddy making key saves at important times. This season we seem to have conceded many goals from very few opposition attempts. To me, that suggests something beyond defensive cock-ups.

Maybe Simmo will be a decent stopper in next league down... But I don't think he'll be worth his wages whatever division we're in.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm not sure thats the case JD, there seems to be a lot more clear cut chances which should be getting cut out by the defenders and real defensive errors resulting in defenders comitting themselves to stupid fouls - often resulting in penalties and red cards.... and morgs has been injured all year!

Sure the keeper is the last line of defence and whilst Paddy's last line of defence was spectacular, he never came for crosses - so you can almost rule out stopping that threat from corners etc. He wasn't a penalty specialist, so you could assume his record on pens saves wouldn't be that much better. Scrambles, sure its about reactions but a lot of the goals come from scrambles at close range so its not guaranteed Paddy would make differences there, so that leaves the long range efforts we've rarely restricted teams to distance this season, perhaps because they can waltz through and score in other ways, so whilst I hear what you say about game changers I find it difficult to see where Paddy would make a bigger difference compared to say Morgs/ Killa or Morgs/ Bartley partnerships

 

[super_pig]

>So we've missed a keeper because of the defensive cock ups, not goal keeping cock ups
the defence is organised by the keeper especially at set pieces which we are now crap at.. the tap ins .. pinball machine goals that you mentioned are caused by the goalkeeper not claiming the ball or the defence clearing it.. i said paddy was a 'massive' miss not the biggest miss.. that would quite clearly be chris morgan, as well as being an excellent defender at this level he is the soul of our club.. we should have moved to make a permanent appointment as soon as he was injured.. this is the biggest reason that we're in the shit we're in IMHO

 

[SwissBlade]

>So we've missed a keeper because of the defensive cock ups, not goal keeping cock ups
the defence is organised by the keeper especially at set pieces which we are now crap at.. the tap ins .. pinball machine goals that you mentioned are caused by the goalkeeper not claiming the ball or the defence clearing it.. i said paddy was a 'massive' miss not the biggest miss.. that would quite clearly be chris morgan, as well as being an excellent defender at this level he is the soul of our club.. we should have moved to make a permanent appointment as soon as he was injured.. this is the biggest reason that we're in the shit we're in IMHO

When did Paddy ever organise anything in the box? When did he ever come to claim a ball? The one time he came off his line to meet the ball, Morgs assumed him to be on his line still and knocked it over his head into an empty net!

They're not criticisms of Paddy, he is a very good keeper, but those two points were his weaknesses (limitations) and we were able to work with him on this thanks to having the defenders who took charge