Who do you blame - KMc, KB, players, us?

[Jim Chimmerney]

The odds are against teams bouncing back up and I think Warnock knew that if we'd got off to a bad start in 07/08, the knives would have been out very quickly. He was lucky in a way that the whole Tevez affair overshadowed the fact that we should have stayed up and he was very much to blame on that front.

 

[Grecian2000]

I can't believe people would seriously contemplate sacking a manager who just got us promoted. We had a great season and finished with 90 points. Oh thanks for your hard work Neil, now fook off. I don't know who I will bring in, but you are clearly not good enough for the Premiership!? sheer idiocy

Why not though?

As soon as we got promoted weren't you wondering who we would be bringing in on the playing side in order to compete in the top division? I know I was.
Why is it acceptable (indeed inevitable) to bin players who have just got you promoted (Shipps, Unsworth, etc. even going back to Paul Stancliffe) because they won't be good enough to compete, but not the manager?

It would be very bold and seem very harsh, but if you think you can get better in then you should do so.

 

[Micalijo]

Yes, I am
No, you aren't
Yes I am IF a better candidate had been around. It wouldn't have done any harm to look.
No it isn't
As are all of us not currently managing a professional football club

If that's the case though you'd always be looking for a new manager wouldn't you?

I assume you would have wanted McCabe to launch a top secret operation to see if anyone was available at the right price? I just cannot see this as being remotely linked to the reality of running a football club who has just got 90 points in CCC.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

With hindsight you are probably right. I think NW would have got us promoted while we were still recieving the prachute payments and a lot of the current problems would not have happened. BUT hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Now we are in a situation were something's got to change rapidly and for me the 'buck stops with the manager' as in any industry.
So thanks for trying Blackie - you are a decent enough bloke - just not a very good manager and certainly not the worst we have had by a long way but the time has come for a change. Don't slam the door on the way out and leave with some dignity.

I think Blackie will be looked back at favourablly in future years. I hope so because as you say he is a decent bloke who has done his job with his hands tied to parameters set by others.

He has being paid well but has had the short straw. Time to move on now though.

Another time he might have been a hero, who knows?

 

[Ollessendro]

Why not though?

As soon as we got promoted weren't you wondering who we would be bringing in on the playing side in order to compete in the top division? I know I was.
Why is it acceptable (indeed inevitable) to bin players who have just got you promoted (Shipps, Unsworth, etc. even going back to Paul Stancliffe) because they won't be good enough to compete, but not the manager?

It would be very bold and seem very harsh, but if you think you can get better in then you should do so.

Interesting point with regarding the players Grecian, still I'm not sure it relates directly to the manager. For example there were (i'm guessing) around 20 players who contributed to us getting promotoed that season, but only one manager. The manager pulls the strings and it's his own hard work that leads to promotion. It's a combination of all the players that leads to promotion and hence it is only relative if all the players are replaced. This certainly wasn't the case with United.

Maybe my statement was a little strong (i.e. it's not ludicrous) but I stand by the fact that I don't think it would be a good idea to sack a manager who got you promoted. Also if you apply it to our context I think it is ludicrous. After all that Warnock id to stabalise the club and build a team I think it would have been very, very harsh. And what kind of precedent does it set to any potential new manager. The guys who saves them, plans for the future, generally does a good jonb on nothing, get's some cash, takes them up (convincingly on 90 points) and then they sack him without giving him a chance.

 

[Grecian2000]

And what kind of precedent does it set to any potential new manager. The guys who saves them, plans for the future, generally does a good jonb on nothing, get's some cash, takes them up (convincingly on 90 points) and then they sack him without giving him a chance.

The next man in wouldn't give a shit. Will you pay me x? OK, I'm in.

I'm not saying I would have binned him but I would have had a nose around to see who was available.

I don't know how it happened in '77 or '78 that a struggling Notts Forest happened upon an out of work Brian Clough, but if someone of a similar calibre (not that there are any more Cloughies) had been available then I would have moved heaven and earth to get him.
It's very harsh but you should always be looking to improve what you have.

 

[raul]

You missed out the bit about nearly scuppering it all himself by talking to another club about jumping ship Olly.