Which direction will we next get out of this division?

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Which direction will we next get out of this division?

  • Promoted

    Votes: 43 58.9%
  • Relegated

    Votes: 29 39.7%
  • Club ceases to exist.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Total voters
    73



People talking about relegation after 4 league games, with a new manager. Seriously? When did our fans become so weak and negative?

I can't see us ever playing in the fourth tier, and I can't see us not being near the top at the end of the season.

That's the line Radio Sheffield keep plugging. It's not 4 League games, it's 4 years. It goes back to May 2009 at Wembley. We had the nucleus of a very good team, we lost, McCabe panicked and tore it all up. Compare with Cardiff who, despite a few near misses, kept the team intact and added to it. I think our respective current positions prove who got it right.
 
The wilderness years are here. Can we survive in this division? It will depend on the next week. Can he bring in a goal scorer and something in midfield? Who is out there that is available? Who would join? Difficult for Mr Weir.

I was snoozing through The Football League Show last night & the next team up - MK Dons - got their goals via 2 loanees - one from Chelsea and (I think) one from Man. U. With the absurd level of imported players into the English game, there's an absolute glut of talent out there who can't get a sniff of a game. If you know where to look...
 
It feels as though the blades have a degerative disease, each season we get worse. I thought we were awful yesterday at Bradford. There was a complete predictability about our play that makes it simple to nullify us. Our attacking threat is nil. I am not optimistic here. Weir deserves time, but he needs the tools.
 
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post: 519288, member: 875"]Relegation out of this division.

All fits in with Kevin McCabes managed decline of the club, leading to our future becoming unviable at Bramall Lane so he takes the ground and turns the club over to the fans as a homeless shell off a football club whilst he and Simon McCabe enjoy building on some expensive real estate.

At last someone else has spotted McCabe's strategy. McCabe's appalling stewardship of this club over the past 5 years has only 2 possible explanations.

1. He is an absolute cretin - which I doubt
2. As described above
 
1975-76 would be my best bet

I reckon 93-94

Flo scored 2 at Southampton on 2/10/93 in a 3-3 draw then our league games went as follows:

18/10/93 A Blackburn D0-0
23/10/93 H Sheff W D1-1 (Hodges)
31/10/093 A Coventry D0-0
6/11/93 H Norwich L1-2 (Whitehouse pen)
20/11/93 A Villa L0-1
24/11/93 A Newcastle L0-4
27/11/93 H Chelsea W1-0 (OG)
4/12/93 A Swindon D0-0
7/12/93 H Man Utd L0-3
11/12/93 H Everton D0-0
18/12/93 A Wimbledon L0-2
26/12/93 H Liverpool D0-0
29/12/93 A Arsenal L0-3
1/1/94 H Oldham W2-1 (Ward, Whitehouse pen)
3/1/94 A West Ham D0-0
15/1/94 H Blackburn L1-2 (OG)
22/1/94 A Sheff Wed L1-3 (Whitehouse pen)
12/2/94 H Coventry D0-0

So that's 18 league games without a forward scoring until ...

22/2/94 A Ipswich L2-3 (Cork, Carr)...

Alan Cork broke the run. Amazingly in those 18 games, we only got 2 goals that were not pens or OG's.

In 1975-6 our longest run without a forward scoring was only 6 games between Guthrie scoring at Man Utd (in a 1-5 defeat) on 23/8/75 and him and Field scoring in a 2-1 win at home to Burnley on 23/9/75.
 
I reckon 93-94

Flo scored 2 at Southampton on 2/10/93 in a 3-3 draw then our league games went as follows:

18/10/93 A Blackburn D0-0
23/10/93 H Sheff W D1-1 (Hodges)
31/10/093 A Coventry D0-0
6/11/93 H Norwich L1-2 (Whitehouse pen)
20/11/93 A Villa L0-1
24/11/93 A Newcastle L0-4
27/11/93 H Chelsea W1-0 (OG)
4/12/93 A Swindon D0-0
7/12/93 H Man Utd L0-3
11/12/93 H Everton D0-0
18/12/93 A Wimbledon L0-2
26/12/93 H Liverpool D0-0
29/12/93 A Arsenal L0-3
1/1/94 H Oldham W2-1 (Ward, Whitehouse pen)
3/1/94 A West Ham D0-0
15/1/94 H Blackburn L1-2 (OG)
22/1/94 A Sheff Wed L1-3 (Whitehouse pen)
12/2/94 H Coventry D0-0

So that's 18 league games without a forward scoring until ...

22/2/94 A Ipswich L2-3 (Cork, Carr)...

Alan Cork broke the run. Amazingly in those 18 games, we only got 2 goals that were not pens or OG's.

In 1975-6 our longest run without a forward scoring was only 6 games between Guthrie scoring at Man Utd (in a 1-5 defeat) on 23/8/75 and him and Field scoring in a 2-1 win at home to Burnley on 23/9/75.

Tony Field wasnt a striker!
 
Bar a wonder goal against Ipswich, he was a pretty shite striker/forward we got from Blackburn, where he did score a few goals.

He got 11 league goals in that 6th place 74-5 season, so he can't have been that bad :-)
 
He got 11 league goals in that 6th place 74-5 season, so he can't have been that bad :)

He wasn't that great either. People have always underestimated the quality of Bill Dearden, he certainly made Gracie look much better than he really was that season, which was shown the following season when Guthrie arrived and we left the top division. Same old issue, but investment in two quality forwards (we had Francis Lee lined up but opted for Guthrie instead) would have allowed that team to push on and become real contenders at the top end.
 



He wasn't that great either. People have always underestimated the quality of Bill Dearden, he certainly made Gracie look much better than he really was that season, which was shown the following season when Guthrie arrived and we left the top division. Same old issue, but investment in two quality forwards (we had Francis Lee lined up but opted for Guthrie instead) would have allowed that team to push on and become real contenders at the top end.

To be fair though, we plucked Dearden from lower division obscurity at Chester and a relatively advanced age (I think he was 26 when he joined us) and he was a massive success (the last United player to get 20 goals in the top division). You can see the reasoning as to why we thought Guthrie might be Dearden mark II and thus preferred him over the aging Franny Lee.
 
To be fair though, we plucked Dearden from lower division obscurity at Chester and a relatively advanced age (I think he was 26 when he joined us) and he was a massive success (the last United player to get 20 goals in the top division). You can see the reasoning as to why we thought Guthrie might be Dearden mark II and thus preferred him over the aging Franny Lee.

Aye, promise over aged but proven. Personally, the Field signing was the iffy one. That should have been the promising youngster signed (I understand we were close to signing a promising youngster in Scotland, Ian Wallace but went for Field) to play alongside the experienced Lee to replace Dearden. Instead we went for two with little top level experience in Field and Guthrie
 
Aye, promise over aged but proven. Personally, the Field signing was the iffy one. That should have been the promising youngster signed (I understand we were close to signing a promising youngster in Scotland, Ian Wallace but went for Field) to play alongside the experienced Lee to replace Dearden. Instead we went for two with little top level experience in Field and Guthrie

I dunno, we signed Field in March 74 at the same time as we signed Jim Brown and he scored 12 top division goals in a season and a bit. It must have seemed that that signing had been a success (I thought he was good at the time, but I was only 8 :)).

We then signed Guthrie at the start of 75-76 to play alongside the apparently proven at the top level Field. I can't seen, given the Dearden precedent, that that was an unreasonable step, however badly it turned out.
 
I dunno, we signed Field in March 74 at the same time as we signed Jim Brown and he scored 12 top division goals in a season and a bit. It must have seemed that that signing had been a success (I thought he was good at the time, but I was only 8 :)).

We then signed Guthrie at the start of 75-76 to play alongside the apparently proven at the top level Field. I can't seen, given the Dearden precedent, that that was an unreasonable step, however badly it turned out.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but given how things turned out, Wallace would've been a much better signing than Field.

Mind you it isn't the biggest ruck we made concerning Scottish signings at the time. Looking for replacements for the ageing Colquhoun and Flynn our scouts recommended to Furphy a young centre half at Partick Thistle. They looked at him a few times, made enquiries and decided the price Partick wanted was a bit steep for a player just getting into the team, so looked elsewhere.

Whatever happened to Alan Hansen? :rolleyes:
 
Aye, promise over aged but proven. Personally, the Field signing was the iffy one. That should have been the promising youngster signed (I understand we were close to signing a promising youngster in Scotland, Ian Wallace but went for Field) to play alongside the experienced Lee to replace Dearden. Instead we went for two with little top level experience in Field and Guthrie

Thought it was Jimmy Sirrel that tried to sign Wallace from Dumbarton but Coventry beat him to it?
 
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but given how things turned out, Wallace would've been a much better signing than Field.

Mind you it isn't the biggest ruck we made concerning Scottish signings at the time. Looking for replacements for the ageing Colquhoun and Flynn our scouts recommended to Furphy a young centre half at Partick Thistle. They looked at him a few times, made enquiries and decided the price Partick wanted was a bit steep for a player just getting into the team, so looked elsewhere.

Whatever happened to Alan Hansen? :rolleyes:

Sirrel tried to sign Hansen too
 
Aye by that point everybody knew of him. Signed for Liverpool that season!

I seem to remember that his move to Liverpool almost fell through because he had a criminal charge that was later cleared. I darent say what the charge was in case I got it wrong!
 



We seemed to have good connections up there at the time. Maybe a scout watching the leagues but a few got linked with us then. I think that's how Jinky arrived
Did that great Scottish centre half John Mcfail come from those connections
 

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