Where will Coady fit in ?

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Thought he played awesome when he came on the other night. Looks 5 years older than he is with some of the things he does. We also created a whole host of chances in the last 5 minutes and he was heavily involved in many of them.

How long is Doyle out for? Is he still injured?

Doyle played great too. Looks more solid with McGinn alongside him. I just think if Coady is to play a part then Doyle will probably be the one to miss out.

He's brought in McGinn so clearly wants him to play.

I can see it being something like this:

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Westlake Collins Maguire Williams​
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McGinn Coady​
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Brandy McDonald Murphy​
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Taylor​
 



From what little I've seen of Coady, I think he could play the McDonald role as well.
So I reckon he's first reserve behind Doyle, McGinn and McDonald for their positions.
I think he'll start tonight to give Doyle chance to recover but Doyle will be back in for Brentford (if fit).
 
Agree Soth.

My Liverpool supporting mate rates him highly, says he can pick a pass as well as Gerrard! Pace is an issue evidently but that might not be so obvious at our level.

McDonald and/or Doyle will not last the season as they are both prone to knocks/suspension and McGinn had a terrible time with injuries at Watford. If Coady gets his chance I think he could make either position his own.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Thought he played awesome when he came on the other night. Looks 5 years older than he is with some of the things he does. We also created a whole host of chances in the last 5 minutes and he was heavily involved in many of them.

How long is Doyle out for? Is he still injured?

Doyle played great too. Looks more solid with McGinn alongside him. I just think if Coady is to play a part then Doyle will probably be the one to miss out.

He's brought in McGinn so clearly wants him to play.

I can see it being something like this:

Long​
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Westlake Collins Maguire Williams​
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McGinn Coady​
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Brandy McDonald Murphy​
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Taylor​
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I want McGinn to play as well, if he continues to play as he did on Friday! He was outstanding. I would have given him a MOM '9' on the ratings had they worked when I tried to vote!
 
mattbianco1 said:
Thought he played awesome when he came on the other night. Looks 5 years older than he is with some of the things he does. We also created a whole host of chances in the last 5 minutes and he was heavily involved in many of them.

How long is Doyle out for? Is he still injured?

Doyle played great too. Looks more solid with McGinn alongside him. I just think if Coady is to play a part then Doyle will probably be the one to miss out.

He's brought in McGinn so clearly wants him to play.

I can see it being something like this:

Long​
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Westlake Collins Maguire Williams​
​
McGinn Coady​
​
Brandy McDonald Murphy​
​
Taylor​
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He was alright when he came on, but not pant-pissingly amazing like some are making out. He won the ball a few times, lost it a couple of times and went on one diagonal run that, whilst impressive in the way he went past players, didn't create anything if I remember correctly.

Let's all button our flies back up before we start bumming him. He looks like he could be good, but not worth changing a winning team simply to accommodate him just yet.

People were equally as excited about Cofie last year based on pre-season, an early performance or two and the fact that he came from Man U and that didn't turn out particularly well. If Coady had come in from someone like Reading, or even Everton, I don't think people would rate him quite so highly.

I'm not saying he won't turn out great, or that he won't have a positive impact on our team, just that it's a tad early to be dropping players who played well and should be fit to play the next game, just to get him involved.
 
Pinchy said:
I want McGinn to play as well, if he continues to play as he did on Friday! He was outstanding. I would have given him a MOM '9' on the ratings had they worked when I tried to vote!
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I agree ! I thought McGinn was MOM on friday by some distance. Always available, even in tight positions, great touch, moved the ball quickly and accurately, excellent positional sense. I can't remember him putting a foot wrong.
 
Latters said:
He was alright when he came on, but not pant-pissingly amazing like some are making out. He won the ball a few times, lost it a couple of times and went on one diagonal run that, whilst impressive in the way he went past players, didn't create anything if I remember correctly.

Let's all button our flies back up before we start bumming him. He looks like he could be good, but not worth changing a winning team simply to accommodate him just yet.

People were equally as excited about Cofie last year based on pre-season, an early performance or two and the fact that he came from Man U and that didn't turn out particularly well. If Coady had come in from someone like Reading, or even Everton, I don't think people would rate him quite so highly.

I'm not saying he won't turn out great, or that he won't have a positive impact on our team, just that it's a tad early to be dropping players who played well and should be fit to play the next game, just to get him involved.
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Having not attended the match and missing the match on TV i had the comfort of watching this on Saturday morning. I work with a Liverpool fan who bigs this kid up as "remember when Gerrard first came on the scene? That's Coady".

So I basically made the extra effort to watch Coady above all else. He was on for about 15mins at the end and was really quite awesome. It's his vision of the pass that only McDonald probably shares with him in our team. Did the simple things as well as the hard, creative things.

He was quality. You could see that from his 15minute cameo. Give it till the end of August and McGinn or Doyle won't be in the side.
 
Latters said:
He was alright when he came on, but not pant-pissingly amazing like some are making out. He won the ball a few times, lost it a couple of times and went on one diagonal run that, whilst impressive in the way he went past players, didn't create anything if I remember correctly.

Let's all button our flies back up before we start bumming him. He looks like he could be good, but not worth changing a winning team simply to accommodate him just yet.

People were equally as excited about Cofie last year based on pre-season, an early performance or two and the fact that he came from Man U and that didn't turn out particularly well. If Coady had come in from someone like Reading, or even Everton, I don't think people would rate him quite so highly.

I'm not saying he won't turn out great, or that he won't have a positive impact on our team, just that it's a tad early to be dropping players who played well and should be fit to play the next game, just to get him involved.
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Couldn't disagree more.

There are players you can tell are going to be real players the moment they get on the ball. Coady is one (the last two I've seen at BDTBL being Walker and Cahill) and Cofie certainly wasn't.
Doesn't matter where someone comes from, class is in built and obvious.

I think he's more Michael Tonge than Gerrard in that he doesn't look a great athlete, but a footballer he certainly is.
 
mattbianco1 & Grecian2000 I'm not saying he won't become a great player, just that if he hadn't come with the reputation he has, you might not have taken the extra effort to watch out for him in particular and he wouldn't have impressed half as much.

If you had focused on McDonald or Brandy or McGinn, as some did, the other night, and had they got the reputation Coady has, I don't think you would have been able to distinguish him as the highly rated youngster, with the others showing equal measures of technique and intelligence, in my opinion.

I'm not slagging him off, I'm just saying that I haven't seen enough in the fifteen minutes or so I've seen of him so far to warrant dropping another good performer. It is good, however, that we have him to come in in case of injury or loss of form.

Having said that, he may do his cause some favours this evening.
 
Obviously I didn't go tonight, seeing as I was posting on here while the match was on.

How did Coady do with a full game against lower league opposition? Was he a class above? I didn't see his name mentioned in the @s24su Twitter updates.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just genuinely interested. I was at the game on Friday and thought he looked alright when he came on, but missed what a lot of others saw; i.e. that something that elevates him above our other midfield options.
 
He tried ,maybe too hard ,but lacks experience and confidence to shoot. I see all the comparisons with Gerrard but cant see it myself. Hes a neat and tidy passer and a hard worker ,Gerrard likes a Hollywood ball and a shot and drives onto the ball. He is obviously a big talent and will be a very good player but has a long way to go yet. We missed McGinn who impressed me much more on Saturday.
 
Got to agree with Sitwell, if he was anything like Gerrard he'd have had half a dozen shots on goal in the first half hour alone! Looking for a pass rather than having a speculative shot is no bad thing, but when the rest of the team is so lacking in penetration having just another tidy passer does nothing to help things. One of those players who will thrive when the team is playing well but won't offer much to change things when it's playing badly, I suspect.
 
I said the same, thought he was our best player in terms of keeping the ball and making himself available but lacked confidence when pushing further up the pitch. He had a few opportunities to have a crack from 25-30 yards out.

He's a young lad though, and is experiencing real first team football for the first time in his career so he's probably scared to make a mistake or look stupid if it blazes over the bar. He can be encouraged to shoot and from what I've seen and heard he's the type of player who's willing to learn. If I was Weir I'd be telling him to not be scared when it opens up like it did last night, people aren't going to complain if you have a dig in those situations!
 



Hooray, one of the most vital positions on the team filled by a loanee! Now if we'd could just get in two full backs and one Centre Half in on loan too, we'll be set.
 
Guesty said:
Hooray, one of the most vital positions on the team filled by a loanee! Now if we'd could just get in two full backs and one Centre Half in on loan too, we'll be set.
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Don't be pedantic. It doesn't matter if he's a loanee or if we own him. What matters is that if he is good, we make sure he stays for the season.

One way of proving a creative loan player can work is by naming Ben Marshall and Mikel Antonio.

Let's just hope if Coady does a Marshall, we find an Antonio :)
 
That's my point, if we build the team around loanees we can have the rug pulled from under us at any moment. Look at how losing Walker set us back, for instance.

Of course, owning the player is no barrier to this as today has shown!
 
mattbianco1 said:
What matters is that if he is good, we make sure he stays for the season.
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Bloody hell Matt, we can't even make sure the players we've got under contract stay a full season.

How are we expected to "make sure" Liverpool don't recall him? I presume these things have some sort of financial implication involved. Come January if he's done really well, where is Liverpools incentive to let him stay the remaining months of the season if, for instance, a Blackburn come in wanting him in the Championship?

I agree entirely, good loaning can be a huge boost, but it is not an exact science and we've fucked it up spectacularly in recent seasons.
 
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