Where not going to Wembley

[Weasel]

Budget is irrelevant to what I’m saying.

Saying the play off finals would be a acceptable finish when we’ve had a cracking first half of the season and it’s only early December is a mentality I can never accept, it’s mediocre.

Over the last 10-20 years we’ve had managers, players and owners who’ve realigned their statements during the season with a failing side. What wilder has brought to the club is a winning mentality.

The standards have been set by the players, to use a wilder phrase. I completely agree. If you start saying in December that you’ll “take top 6 at the end of the season” you’re going to end up 6th or below.

It’s a mentality. It’s a defeatist attitude. It’s disappointing that we’re 7 points off top.

When we reach the end of the season no doubt there’ll be a full assessment. But the way things are id say that we’d have had a poor second half of the season to reach the play offs

100% agree.

 

[SwissBlade]

So you thought we'd win the league at the start of the season ?

That’s what I put money on.

However, you’ve missed the point of what I’ve said right from the start.

Given that we were leading this league and bossing teams in all but a handful of games, it has set a standard. The standard is that anything less than top top would be a disappointment for this team.

Now if you want to accept a play off finish right now, here in December that’s fine. It’s quite common to be like this, accepting mediocrity. Celebrating it. However, I’d accept nothing less than a top 2 finish right now.

 

[Fanny magnet]

That’s what I put money on.

However, you’ve missed the point of what I’ve said right from the start.

Given that we were leading this league and bossing teams in all but a handful of games, it has set a standard. The standard is that anything less than top top would be a disappointment for this team.

Now if you want to accept a play off finish right now, here in December that’s fine. It’s quite common to be like this, accepting mediocrity. Celebrating it. However, I’d accept nothing less than a top 2 finish right now.

Well looks like you'll be disappointed then
I won't

 

[SwissBlade]

Well looks like you'll be disappointed then
I won't

And I’m happy for you. Thankfully you’re not the Sheffield United manager or a player at the club.

I’m disappointed now following recent results. It’s not good enough when we’d set the standard we had done

 

[Ricky]

To me, saying anything less than top 2 is disappointing is dismissive of and undermines all the hard work the team have put in just to get to the Championship in the first place, let alone to get to 4th position, let alone to get to top spot as we were. What we've achieved already is very difficult to do. It's not just happened. We're not automatically better than everybody else. It's taken a huge effort. Huge effort is difficult to sustain. It's easy to sit back and say 'I expect the best' from the outside looking in when you have no influence on the outcome.

If we fell out of the top 6 naturally I'd be a bit disappointed but I wouldn't be critical of anybody. I won't pretend we're not a good team who look capable of sustaining a promotion push, but I balance that with the perspective of where we've come from, our pre season expectations and other factors relative to the competition such as budget.

 

[Fanny magnet]

And I’m happy for you. Thankfully you’re not the Sheffield United manager or a player at the club.

I’m disappointed now following recent results. It’s not good enough when we’d set the standard we had done

And I’m happy for you. Thankfully you’re not the Sheffield United manager or a player at the club.

I’m disappointed now following recent results. It’s not good enough when we’d set the standard we had done

I'm not the manager or players im a supporter
That's why I don't try and sound like one of the players or the manager

 

[Tommoblade66]

I hope the OP is right and we get automatic

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm not the manager or players im a supporter
That's why I don't try and sound like one of the players or the manager

And again, good for you.

Personally I want to see my club win things or at least set out to. I’ve spent god knows how many years watching us trying to scrape through or hear that if we don’t win the league then we have the play off route to go through. I don’t want that, never have. Never will.

Maybe it’s just me speaking like a manager (very amusing), but I want us to win things.

 

[Fanny magnet]

And again, good for you.

Personally I want to see my club win things or at least set out to. I’ve spent god knows how many years watching us trying to scrape through or hear that if we don’t win the league then we have the play off route to go through. I don’t want that, never have. Never will.

Maybe it’s just me speaking like a manager (very amusing), but I want us to win things.

You must have enjoyed the last 100 years then

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

Can't believe some comments on here.

So if we don't go up automatically we've had a poor season?
Even if we do the double over the pigs, finish above them & in the play-offs we've underachieved?
Say we finish 4th in the table, would you honestly say to Wilders face that he's had a poor season? He has high standards but he'd laugh you out of the building.

Everyone on this forum would love for us to win the league, that goes without saying.
But you've got to be realistic. We're currently punching above our weight, and doing a pretty good job at it. It's not impossible that we can continue this overachieving until the end of the season, Leicester managed to do it after all. But notice how the following season the teams who spent more on players quickly overtook them again...

While it's not guaranteed, in most cases the sides that spend more money will finish higher up the table. So given our budget is in the bottom 5/6 in this league, and we've spent the previous 6 years in the division below, we're clearly exceeding expectations (most anyway).

My main gripe however is that the people who set the bar the highest are often the first to turn on the players/manager as soon as things starting getting tough. If you continue to give the team your full backing when times are hard then fair play. But if you think 3 games without a win, and dropping to 4th in the table, gives you reason to mouth off at team. Then you need to have a serious look in the mirror.

 

[Westran]

My main gripe however is that the people who set the bar the highest are often the first to turn on the players/manager as soon as things starting getting tough. If you continue to give the team your full backing when times are hard then fair play. But if you think 3 games without a win, and dropping to 4th in the table, gives you reason to mouth off at team. Then you need to have a serious look in the mirror.

This exactly.

Fair enough have high hopes, but high expectations is another thing. If we had spent years in this division and had spent more than most then maybe you would have a right to have high expectations, but in our position, unrealistic expectations that are vented at the team will only lead to a negative atmosphere and unfair pressure on players. The manager and coaching staff are the ones who set expectations at this stage

 

[SwissBlade]

Can't believe some comments on here.

So if we don't go up automatically we've had a poor season?
Even if we do the double over the pigs, finish above them & in the play-offs we've underachieved?
Say we finish 4th in the table, would you honestly say to Wilders face that he's had a poor season? He has high standards but he'd laugh you out of the building.

Everyone on this forum would love for us to win the league, that goes without saying.
But you've got to be realistic. We're currently punching above our weight, and doing a pretty good job at it. It's not impossible that we can continue this overachieving until the end of the season, Leicester managed to do it after all. But notice how the following season the teams who spent more on players quickly overtook them again...

While it's not guaranteed, in most cases the sides that spend more money will finish higher up the table. So given our budget is in the bottom 5/6 in this league, and we've spent the previous 6 years in the division below, we're clearly exceeding expectations (most anyway).

My main gripe however is that the people who set the bar the highest are often the first to turn on the players/manager as soon as things starting getting tough. If you continue to give the team your full backing when times are hard then fair play. But if you think 3 games without a win, and dropping to 4th in the table, gives you reason to mouth off at team. Then you need to have a serious look in the mirror.

Can't speak for anyone else, but my comments are entirely based on where we are now and what has gone already this season. Its nothing to do with budgets, punching above our weight, under achieving etc. As i said in my comments, once we get to the end of the season we'd make a review, like any other season. However, from this position, right now, I'd be disappointed with play offs.

As for people getting at players or the manager, completely unrelated topic.

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

Can't speak for anyone else, but my comments are entirely based on where we are now and what has gone already this season. Its nothing to do with budgets, punching above our weight, under achieving etc. As i said in my comments, once we get to the end of the season we'd make a review, like any other season. However, from this position, right now, I'd be disappointed with play offs.

As for people getting at players or the manager, completely unrelated topic.

I'm not going to have a go mate as everyone is entitled to their opinion, and clearly we're looking at this from very different points of view.
I just find it strange for anyone to view getting into the playoffs as a failure.

Also I don't get the "nothing to do with budgets" argument. Looking at the table, 4 of the 5 sides below us are Aston Villa, Derby, Leeds & Middlesbrough. Not only are these teams far more established at this level, they have spent far more money than we have in the past few seasons, and are likely to do so again in January. This means they should be able to buy better players, and therefore do better as a team.

Again I know this isn't guaranteed, but it's usually the case. So for me if we finish above any of these, then we've done pretty well. And it's looking like we'll need to finish above at least 2 of them if we're to stay in the playoffs come the end of the season.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm not going to have a go mate as everyone is entitled to their opinion, and clearly we're looking at this from very different points of view.
I just find it strange for anyone to view getting into the playoffs as a failure.

Also I don't get the "nothing to do with budgets" argument. Looking at the table, 4 of the 5 sides below us are Aston Villa, Derby, Leeds & Middlesbrough. Not only are these teams far more established at this level, they have spent far more money than we have in the past few seasons, and are likely to do so again in January. This means they should be able to buy better players, and therefore do better as a team.

Again I know this isn't guaranteed, but it's usually the case. So for me if we finish above any of these, then we've done pretty well. And it's looking like we'll need to finish above at least 2 of them if we're to stay in the playoffs come the end of the season.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For me every play off foray is a failure, i am yet to be convinced that a team finishing 6th and going up is a positive, but thats another issue.

The fact you mention the budgets part shows that you haven't understood what i'm saying. If it was the start of the season then perhaps i could excuse the use of budgets argument, however, given that the budgets were irrelevant when we were top, means that they will be irrelevant in December when stating that a play off finish will be a good end to the season...

Its December, we're 4th and people are saying that they'd accept the play offs as a final result. We have more than half the season to go and you'd settle for 6th place... Why can't we go for it and look no further than 1st or even 2nd place?