When did we last have a better team ?

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Warnock’s Promotion team had won 10 out of 11 matches at this stage. So were clearly a better team. Comparing like with like in the same division.

This team has the potential to emulate the Harris. Bassett and Warnock promotion teams but still a long way to go yet
 
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Under Warnock and in deed Bassett, we had this knack where we could be playing poorly and look very average but still grind out a win. Both managers gave the team and battling never say die attitude.

Think back to the Cardiff game last season, that’s how we sometimes played when Warnock was our manager.

The current team is the best football I’ve ever seen us consistently play although the 2006 team had better know how to win games ugly if needed. This team are more naive and don’t do ugly.

although we have had some eras very close to the current team entertainment wise.
For example the midfield under Kendall when we had Cowans was very similiar to this
Also,at times under Dwnny Wilson the football was fantastic, just like watching Brazil.
 
Carlton Blade said:
For consistency over a long period the 2 semi finals/Wolves debacle team is still above this one for me.

Ask again in May :D
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It might be just the way you're sat, but i like the cut of your jib, young man. :) In recent years, that was indeed a very good side, as was the later version that got promoted. Spackman's side of of early 97/98 was a good 'un, as was Kendall's of 96/97.
 
This is the best ‘team’ I’ve seen since Basset’s days as in togetherness and no obvious week links (first 11), and the most consistently entertaining team that I’ve seen since TC’s days.

Some past teams have done ok in bursts, but this is the 3rd season running that we’ve enjoyed the beautiful game played as it should be. The 2005-6 team came out of the blue and even though it got us promoted, I thought that it was turgid to watch most of the time as indeed most of our seasons under Warnock were IMO, 2002-3 being the notable exception. We sometimes lump long-ball managers all together, but I think the football under Basset was far better than Warnock.
 
Warnocks promotion team was better I think
Jagielka, Morgan, Ndlovu, Brown, McCall, Tonge, Kenny, Ifill, Kabba, Webber, Quinn, Gillespie, were good players, Chris Armstrong was also a good player who was unfortunate with injury, Simon Francis is still a good player even though he wasted his chance with us.

I think a team including these players at their best would beat today's team

I think the current team is more entertaining but I still think Warnock's team would beat them
 
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WE did this about a month ago, I think the only real advantage with previous sides from the last 20 years was they had real speed in the team which this one hasn't.
Think Jagielka, Kozluk, Kabba but looking at the rest of the players, bar good individuals (Jagielka, Brown) this side is comfortably better.
 
We're well on the way to being as tough to beat as the 05-06 promotion team.

In terms of style of play, nothing has ever come close to Spackman's 1997 elite. Who were demolishing everything in its path much like Wolves last season. And the football was the best I've seen since becoming a fan in '92. Highly innovative with a 3-5-2 formation (i'd never even heard of any formation outside of 4-4-2 till old Nige brought that in). Remoulded Whitehouse as a No. 10, attacking wing backs, foreign flare (Borbokis, Dellas, Marcelo, et al) and wiley old characters (Marker, McGrath, Patterson). We had it all. Well, until we didn't a few months later :mad:
 



PeterNdlovu081 said:
2005-06 team would still wipe the floor with our current crop.
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Disagree completely. Warnock's promotion side might scuffle a 1-0 win but if either side was to do some floor wiping with the other it'd be the current lot. That said, a fair proportion of our trip round the pubs of Bristol after we'd played City was spent trying to build a combined XI, something we deemed impossible owing to the completely different formations employed. It's interesting, looking back, how much defensive rotation Warnock did: no left back started more than Unsworth (33) with Amstrong and Kozluk second on 21 starts while the centre halves saw Morgan (37 starts), Bromby (35) and Short (20) rotated. The same happened up top, where Shipperley (34 starts), Webber (24), Kabba (21) and Akinbiyi (10 starts Jan onwards) were chopped and changed.

FWIW:

Kenny;

Kozluk/Geary, Short/Bromby, Morgan, Unsworth/Armstrong

Ifill, Montgomery, Jagielka, Tonge/Quinn

Shipperley/Akinbiyi, Kabba/Webber​

is, IMHO, nowhere near as good as
Henderson

Basham Egan O'Connell

Freeman Norwood Fleck Stevens

Duffy

Sharp McGoldrick​

The only player from the 2005/06 line up I'd definitely take is Jagielka to play at RCB, harsh though that might be on Basham and despite the fact that Jagielka didn't play at centre half until the premier league season. I'd take Armstrong to battle it out with Stevens and Webber over Washington but neither would make the starting XI.

My prediction: SUFC 18/19 3-0 SUFC 05/06. Think Bolton away.
 
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Balham Blade said:
Disagree completely. Warnock's promotion side might scuffle a 1-0 win but if either side was to do some floor wiping with the other it'd be the current lot. That said, a fair proportion of our trip round the pubs of Bristol after we'd played City was spent trying to build a combined XI, something we deemed impossible owing to the completely different formations employed.

FWIW:

Kenny;

Kozluk/Geary, Short/Bromby, Morgan, Unsworth/Armstrong

Ifill, Montgomery, Jagielka, Tonge/Quinn

Shipperley/Akinbiyi, Kabba/Webber​

is, IMHO, nowhere near as good as
Henderson

Basham Egan O'Connell

Freeman Norwood Fleck Stevens

Duffy

Sharp McGoldrick​

The only player from the 2005/06 line up I'd definitely take is Jagielka to play at RCB, harsh though that might be on Basham and despite the fact that Jagielka didn't play at centre half until the premier league season. I'd take Armstrong to battle it out with Stevens and Webber over Washington but neither would make the starting XI.

My prediction: SUFC 18/19 3-0 SUFC 05/06. Think Bolton away.
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You're talking rubbish.

Come back when this team has achieved automatic promotion to the Premier League and then we'll talk.
 
The old side has the advantage of Kenny who was on top of his game in those years but just look at the weaknesses throughout that team. Bromby, Tonge (past his best already), Montgomery (again I'm a fan but had one function- stop the other team) and the only decent striker was Kabba but he only played well for about half a season!)
 
Balham Blade said:
Kenny;

Kozluk/Geary, Short/Bromby, Morgan, Unsworth/Armstrong

Ifill, Montgomery, Jagielka, Tonge/Quinn

Shipperley/Akinbiyi, Kabba/Webber​

is, IMHO, nowhere near as good as
Henderson

Basham Egan O'Connell

Freeman Norwood Fleck Stevens

Duffy

Sharp McGoldrick​
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Give me Jagielka, Morgan and the wealth of striking options from Warnock's side, with this years' squad and we'd top the table either year.​
 
Its really difficult to compare teams.
On an individual level our current players are NOT the greatest and the Warnock individuals seem better.

However football is a team game. Wilder has coached this team, so every player knows their job.
They are all comfortable on the ball and ordered to pass to feet.
Our spells of possession take the game away form the opposition.
Our quick passing playing simple triangles is very effective and seems to bamboozle defences especially with the overlapping centre backs.

So it’s not about choosing the best individual players, it’s know which players fit the system their manager sets up.

And I believe this team would beat Warnocks 2006 team in a one-off match
But as I’ve said the Warnock teams had “know how” and could be poor but still manage to win games.
So over a long season I’d probably trust the NW team to gain promotion more than the current team.
 
Steve Mackan said:

Give me Jagielka, Morgan and the wealth of striking options from Warnock's side, with this years' squad and we'd top the table either year.​
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I thought about Morgan but his limitations with the ball would rule him out of any Wilder side. In terms of strikers, I'd take HMS Shipperley as the hold-it-up forward option and Webber or Kabba over Washington as the pacy ball-into-the-channel option on current evidence.

It goes without saying that in my imaginary game the MOM award goes to Paul Coutts btw.
 
I'm less interested in comparisons the than whether our current squad can continue to improve, and so far the signs are that everything's in place to enable every player to improve and thus collectively raise our overall standards. As we're all aware, key to all of this is having a grounded management team. What we currently have is a side that I think can compete in the Premiership, but first we must impress our right to be one of the select two or three sides that win promotion this term. Never was the repeated phrase, "Take it one game at a time", more relevant to any hope of success. We're doing well, but as we know, that winning trend can change in the space of a couple of games.

What we have is a good, sometimes excellent side. In-spite of Sharp and McGoldrick clicking so well, investment in quality attacking options is a given. We'll also have to face the issue of who becomes our first choice keeper. But these are questions for the next transfer window, as well as the summer. So lots to consider, but for the moment we've won nothing, so let's win the next game, then the one after that etc, etc. For the moment we're doing ever so well, we look hungry, ambitious, as if we can taste success, but always with the knowledge that it's all there to be played for. UTMB!
 
How folk can say a side that included Monty would beat this team with a straight face is unbelievable.

Coutts and Norwood would play round him like erm a traffic cone.

Shippers would be in O Connells pocket.

This current team would hammer Warnocks 11 especially if Akinbyi was playing.
 
Balham Blade said:
I thought about Morgan but his limitations with the ball would rule him out of any Wilder side. In terms of strikers, I'd take HMS Shipperley as the hold-it-up forward option and Webber or Kabba over Washington as the pacy ball-into-the-channel option on current evidence.

It goes without saying that in my imaginary game the MOM award goes to Paul Coutts btw.
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Morgan > Egan for me. Jagielka > Bash (as much as I love him).
 



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