What needs to happen over January

[ryza]

From looking at the stats and the highlights on YouTube, theres a couple of options Clough needs to do with the team. Either make the players practice shooting, 14 shots, 1 on target?!

or get a crucial striker, not one of these Paynter, Stead, Porter types. A guy who has the pace and shooting ability to connect with Baxters through balls.To be frank Miller doesn't cut it for me after him recovering from his injury. Maybe when Diego comes back?..

After the Notts County game i'm still being optimistic about this side with Bradford coming up but i don't get Clough's "No panic/wild signings in the JTW" attitude because obviously theres something wrong with the fundamentals of this team what only the management know about, because tbh football fans know nothing about the technical side to football.

What annoys me and most blades fans is the fact that this team has shown their ability against Villa but can't get more than 1 shot on target against Notts County.
RANT-ish OVER

UTB

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I wouldn't bother worrying about it mate.

I'm reliably informed that Nige is addressing the problems and there's absolutely no risk of us being relegated.

 

[Lowen]

I wouldn't bother worrying about it mate.

I'm reliably informed that Nige is addressing the problems and there's absolutely no risk of us being relegated.

There is obviously risk due to us being 1 point from the relegation zone and losing to one of our close rivals in terms of league position.

 

[breeny]

love this comment!

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Miller is simply a goal poacher and not alone man or creator.
A lot as changed since his injury, one thing is he's not playing the same role as before, more a midfield role or the lone striker from what I've seen.

 

[Flakey]

It seems to me that we need a pivotal midfield player with whom the play revolves around, and can motivate the rest of the players and kick sh*t when necessary.

Someone on the lines of K Mac, not that I was his biggest fan. Someone who is more consistant and doesn't switch off if we are up against it.

 

[blader]

It seems to me that we need a pivotal midfield player with whom the play revolves around, and can motivate the rest of the players and kick sh*t when necessary.

Someone on the lines of K Mac, not that I was his biggest fan. Someone who is more consistant and doesn't switch off if we are up against it.

I'll bring this topic back up again then, as I have been silen on the subject for a few months. What has changed?

We finish 3rd one season, 4th the next, absolutely Roger Notts County first game of this season with an impressive performance and it's been downhill from there. Why? I hear you ask. 3 words - Kevin Mc-fucking-Donald!!

He is by far and away the most talented midfielder we have had at the club since, well before I started going (2000ish). He wasn't appreciated because people at our club fail to see the value of a sideways or 5-yard pass. McDonald was a master at creating space and putting the balls in the right areas, unfortunately people failed to see it as they were too hung up on the fact that he didn't put his head down and run towards goal, or score 20 goals a season. Not only do I believe we would be in the top 10 now had we kept him, but I honestly believe weir would still be here as he had spent all his time here building the team around McDonald. People won't believe me, but remember, 9 of our starting at villa we're here last season. So not much has changed, but the correlation between quality of football and results over the last 2.5 years correlate positively with McDonald.

My rant-ish over

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

We finish 3rd one season, 4th the next, absolutely Roger Notts County first game of this season with an impressive performance and it's been downhill from there. Why? I hear you ask. 3 words - Kevin Mc-fucking-Donald!!

I'm sorry blader, I've agreed with stuff you've posted in the past but that's rubbish. You're entitled to think he was a good player but he wasn't that good and certainly not good enough to make that much difference. Notts County are relegation candidates and played with ten men for much of that game. It was also the first game of the season which can throw up almost any result.

The reason we finished near the top in the previous two seasons is because we had a better team the further back you look. McDonald may be better than the midfielders we currently have but that's not responsible for our dramatic downturn in results. Can't believe you could even think that it's nonsense.

 

[blade too long]

I wouldn't bother worrying about it mate.

I'm reliably informed that Nige is addressing the problems and there's absolutely no risk of us being relegated.

too right

 

[JohnDenver]

However good he was, the moral of the story is familiar. Sell your best players and replace them poorly then you'll only head one way.

 

[Sirius]

too right

Too right, I did read on here however that he had a get out clause, in his contract so we could do sweet FA to keep him.?

 

[blader]

I'm sorry blader, I've agreed with stuff you've posted in the past but that's rubbish. You're entitled to think he was a good player but he wasn't that good and certainly not good enough to make that much difference. Notts County are relegation candidates and played with ten men for much of that game. It was also the first game of the season which can throw up almost any result.

The reason we finished near the top in the previous two seasons is because we had a better team the further back you look. McDonald may be better than the midfielders we currently have but that's not responsible for our dramatic downturn in results. Can't believe you could even think that it's nonsense.

As I say, 8 or 9 of our regular team are the same as last season. So what else is consistent with the timing of this downturn of form? I'm not saying it IS the reason, but even whilst he was at the club, there was a very noticeable change in results when he played and didn't. I really believe he would be worth 7 or 8 league places to us!

 

[sheffielder]

It's simply impossible to buy our way out of the shit this January. We need the players to man up and yes it's really that fucking simple.

 

[Woodwardfan]

McDonald is a good player of his type. Weir planned to play him "in the hole" and I had my doubts whether he had the mobility or incisiveness to play so far up field. He played a deep role before and it was a very safe game, keeping possession and feeding it to more attacking players. While he was with us he was invariably paired with Doyle and between them they didn't feed enough, far enough upfield. I think KM scored 1 goal and 1 assist all last season. Even at Wolves in 24 appearances he has only scored 1 goal and had two assists, and that in a successful team.

That's not to say he can't play. Assembling successful sides is about balance and partnerships within the team. I would love to see KM playing deep midfield with Baxter "in the hole". If KM's role were to feed Baxter as much as possible together with Murphy on one wing and say Brandy on the other wing, then I think we would really motor and KM would flourish. Trouble was when KM and Doyle were together central midfield it was a negative Flynn on one side and sometimes McAllister, Blackman, Cresswell etc etc on the other, and never a couple of natural wingers. Even Murphy wasn't played on the wing often though he was struggling with form. If the Back 5 need so much protection it is there where changes are needed.

NC is building and needs time. However, to my mind, McGinn's play is too simple to be partnered with Doyle; one or the other I'd say and the latter by preference.

Replace McGinn with Coady and loan a pacey striker and we'll climb the table. Of course a proven quality playmaker alongside Doyle would be great but the priority should be in the striking department where we need pace and natural goalscoring ability and I think Coady will develop a lot in the second half of the season.

As for Paynter, I think he'll do better than Porter, but not likely to make sufficient difference if he is feeding on the scraps our midfield provides. We need more creativity, mobility and pace.

 

[sitwell]

I must have missed all these through balls of Baxters ,everyone seems to wank themselves off over him but hes done nowt for the past few games and we cant afford to carry him. He has undoubted ability but doesn't fit into a 4-4-2. I know I will be accused of being a hoof merchant but he must adapt to the shape of the team or it just leaves us short up front ,it pisses me off to see other players getting flack for misplaced passes when he is regarded as 'unlucky' when one of his Hollywood flicks fails...again. At this time we have to be a team and not individuals.

 

[grafikhaus]

Wigan striker Nouha Dicko has agreed to join Wolves in a £300,000 deal. Dicko watched the League One side’s 2-0 win over Preston on Saturday ahead of holding talks.

Wolves are prepared to loan out striker Kevin Doyle as they cut costs.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ko-bid-return-Championship.html#ixzz2qGmGfu4h

 

[Grecian2000]

Wolves are prepared to loan out striker Kevin Doyle as they cut costs.

Not saying we should look at Doyle for a minute, BUT here's a genuine question because I don't know how it works.

If KD is on, say, 15k a week (just a made up figure obviously) and Wolves were happy to pay half and us half (7.5k per week), what would be the "cost " to us regarding the FFP bollocks?
Would it raise our outgoings by 15k (the total value of the players wages) or by 7.5k (our actual contribution)?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I believe weir would still be here

Thank fuck we sold McDonald

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Not saying we should look at Doyle for a minute, BUT here's a genuine question because I don't know how it works.

If KD is on, say, 15k a week (just a made up figure obviously) and Wolves were happy to pay half and us half (7.5k per week), what would be the "cost " to us regarding the FFP bollocks?
Would it raise our outgoings by 15k (the total value of the players wages) or by 7.5k (our actual contribution)?

If HRH has the cash then FFP IS a lot of bollocks.

So easy to get around it and I've heard transfer fees don't fall under FFP [sumat I was told, not sumat I claim to know]

 

[blader]

Not saying we should look at Doyle for a minute, BUT here's a genuine question because I don't know how it works.

If KD is on, say, 15k a week (just a made up figure obviously) and Wolves were happy to pay half and us half (7.5k per week), what would be the "cost " to us regarding the FFP bollocks?
Would it raise our outgoings by 15k (the total value of the players wages) or by 7.5k (our actual contribution)?

I don't know (and I questioning why I'm even replying) but SURELY it only includes the 7.5? 15 would be nonsensical. As then wolves could sign a player on 15k a week and still be in budget.

 

[boo radley]

I'll bring this topic back up again then, as I have been silen on the subject for a few months. What has changed?

We finish 3rd one season, 4th the next, absolutely Roger Notts County first game of this season with an impressive performance and it's been downhill from there. Why? I hear you ask. 3 words - Kevin Mc-fucking-Donald!!

He is by far and away the most talented midfielder we have had at the club since, well before I started going (2000ish). He wasn't appreciated because people at our club fail to see the value of a sideways or 5-yard pass. McDonald was a master at creating space and putting the balls in the right areas, unfortunately people failed to see it as they were too hung up on the fact that he didn't put his head down and run towards goal, or score 20 goals a season. Not only do I believe we would be in the top 10 now had we kept him, but I honestly believe weir would still be here as he had spent all his time here building the team around McDonald. People won't believe me, but remember, 9 of our starting at villa we're here last season. So not much has changed, but the correlation between quality of football and results over the last 2.5 years correlate positively with McDonald.

My rant-ish over

It just seems a little contradictory to me that if we had KMc that we'd be top ten (playing Weir's crap side) and with the players from last season we pull off a win against Villa?

 

[blader]

It just seems a little contradictory to me that if we had KMc that we'd be top ten (playing Weir's crap side) and with the players from last season we pull off a win against Villa?

Any team is capable of a performance. Bradford best arsenal last year, yet lost to burton the week after. I think our league position speaks volumes

 

[Racy]

Like many on here mid table would be a result this season but to achieve this we still need additions.
Paynter has come but that just replaces Porter like for like we still need a twenty a season proven goal scorer surely we have the monies to finance this.
The midfield is adequate for this season but that's all.
We're desperate dare I say for a Rob Jones type leader,stopper and pops up with a good few goals.
Surely there's a decent left back to do us a job we can't keep on with Hill he's ok for cover at centre back but at left back he's a liability.
Just hope this prince geezer comes up with some cash or are we being lead up the garden path again.

 

[boo radley]

Any team is capable of a performance. Bradford best arsenal last year, yet lost to burton the week after. I think our league position speaks volumes

It sounds to me that you think we'd have been better off sticking with Weir and KMc???

 

[blader]

It sounds to me that you think we'd have been better off sticking with Weir and KMc???

McDonald yes. Weir no. However, as I believe we would be mid-table at worst with McDonald, would weir have been sacked? I doubt it.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Logic says it's actual amounts paid in wages and transfer fees not included. Having said that logic says any player settlements should be included e.g. Williams, King, but I have an inkling they are not.

However if we were to pay £7.5k weekly to Doyle, that's £30k per month when our wage threshold is somewhere in the region of £300k to £350k per month ( that's a guess, does anybody know the actual figure - it's 60% of income and what's that this season?).

In recent weeks we have saved wages on King, Williams, McGinty, Taylor, McFadzean, Lappin, White, any more? and only Paynter has come in. More new signings must be due.

 

[Hodgyman]

However good he was, the moral of the story is familiar. Sell your best players and replace them poorly then you'll only head one way.

Would you rate KMac better than Baxter? More goals already, better dead ball delivery, good range of passing hopefully no recurring injuries from our "poor" replacement for KMac. That's coming from a KMac admirer.

 

[JohnDenver]

Would you rate KMac better than Baxter? More goals already, better dead ball delivery, good range of passing hopefully no recurring injuries from our "poor" replacement for KMac. That's coming from a KMac admirer.

Too early to say. At his very best, K Mac was fantastic. At his worst he was a grade A quitter.

Baxter could develop into a very good player but could yet fall into either category. If it's the latter we may yet be relegated...

 

[Darren]

This could be wrong, but isn't it the position that equity investment doesn't count towards the 60% limit? So, if HRH were essentially to pump £xm into the club, we could use all that money to fund player purchases.

If that's right, and we really have "game changing investments", I find it hard to understand why we do not just buy 4-5 decent players which would ensure a swift move up the table this season and a promotion challenge next season. After all, buying 4-5 good third division players would not cost that much...

 

[boo radley]

The way he was playing was crap. Pretty don't go forward football until you see an incisive pass. The players were not up to his vision(if his vision was right) and therefore KMc 5 yard sideways passing as you put it would have made no difference. Taylor missed sitters that other players would have buried and so even any incisive pass he made would probably have been missed in Weirs team.