What is Wrong With Wilder?

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I only wish they had bought into the Wrexham PR exercise. I watched a youtube video about how Wrexham are being financed, It is not just a couple of rich Hollywood actors with a new toy there is a whole structure to bring more and more money into the venture. Even with Phil Parkinson as manager they are on the up, as seen with the likes of Bournmouth as long as big money is there you don't need to be a club with a huge fanbase.
Agreed, they are doing a brilliant job. You’re right, the stars are just the front men and there is serious money behind it all. However, one thing is certain, if things start to go wrong, they will be ruthless, in every aspect of their management, and will walk away the minute returns don’t meet expectations (which will be high) Just imagine what, say, a disruption to the tv income model would do. No fan base to compensate so they would run for the hills. PL football is, in my opinion, a ponzi scheme and it will all fall over eventually. How do we continue? Well, you takes your choices. I’d be happy yo-yoing whilst retaining the soul of the club. We certainly need money investing but the current coaching team simply can’t deliver.
 



Look, no manager who has sat in the Bramall Lane hot seat owes the club anything. But it’s different with Chris Wilder.
Being such a big Blade who came through ranks, he more than anyone would want leave a legacy at the club.
So maybe if we stick with Wilder the club should insist on there being some sort of succession plan in place.
Whether it’s new younger coaches, who could challenge Wilders thinking or merely act as sounding board for him.
Chris, rightly or wrongly seems to carry the full weight of this club on his shoulders. The club must either help him with this burden or take him out of the equation altogether…The board must think very carefully about their next move.
The board aint got a clue mate, Wilder now as them over a barrel & he knows it🙂
 
The OP is very good but let's not forget that when the 2nd Wilder Comeback Tour was first announced practically everyone here claimed they'd be happy just to avoid relegation. Well, that requirement has, at least, been met.

The actual football this season has, in general, been more enjoyable than last season when we were doing far better in the league. Unfortunately we suffered a downgrade in the quality of players at the manager's disposal not helped by two panicked windows in which we ended up with a bloated squad full of blokes who seem to have come either from a Legends side or direct from Blackpool beach.

The second of those windows is all down to Wilder himself. If we were a musical act it seems that the 2nd Comeback Tour had added Tony Hadley, Martin Fry and Phil Oakey to its roster.

We're stuck in a loop. I don't know yet if it's a loop or a downward spiral.
Mebbe Wilder reads this and thinks "Don't, Don't you want me " ☺️
 
The "Wider Wilder debate" will go on for some time, after all, there was a huge split in our fan base before. I have never been more sure we must move on from him, I'm just not sure how we achieve that. I think COH gives him another Season, hopefully he changes his stubborn ways/tactics a little bit and rebuilds effectively!

I know Clement outdid Wilder last night, but why does everyone think he is suddenly the guy? Speak to Rangers fans, they'll tell you otherwise.
 
As its all abit dismal at the moment, entertain a silly thought.

Have the players decided to throw Wilder under the bus ...they have history 😉
 
Hard to disagree with a lot of this. I'm slightly surprised however at the speed fans are turning on wilder after two bad results. I know we're inconsistent but before the wba game we were doing pretty well? Not as well as Nov - Jan admittedly
1st fully fit 11 we can compete with most in this league for 50 minutes or so subs are taking us backwards. How many 2nd half performances are we shocking what is said at half time?

We are unfit we always had that fitness under Chris where we blew teams away .. Norwich made us look so unfit it was really embarresing how much fitter faster they were
I honestly dont know what to expect ftom this lot we are bang average in every department
 
Teams who do well, are defensively sound, tight as a drum, and dont keep conceding soft goals. You have faith in them that if they take the lead in a game, they will at least come away with a draw at the end. United took the lead last night and i was waiting for the inevitable goal to be conceded and then us to possibly go on and lose the game. In that respect, United didnt disappoint.

We are weak mentally, physically, we have players who arent up to a Championship season, too injury prone, or have simply checked out and dont look interested.

CWs tactics need questioning too. Three subs made on 88 mins, our constant desire to not mark man to man on corners and leave players unmarked on the edge of our own penalty area, too many jobs for the boys cas they are 'culture carriers' and a 'good lad.whp is liked in the changing room'. Thats all lovely, but fans mainly want to see positive results and performances on the pitch, not hear whether someone is Mr Culture. How much money has been wasted on very average or injury prone players? Ridiculous.

Id keep for next season even though im not blind to CWs failings, but he needs to be backed and told a few truths by the board and told aome things need to change. The current squad now needs big surgery and a lot of them being shown the door in the summer. Fitter, bigger, and more robust so that heaven forbid most can comfortably play 90 mins twice in 4 days. We currently have a set of players who flatter to deceive and they have been found out consistently this season against the better teams. Put simply, they arent good enough.
First paragraph is bang on. We always look like conceding. The biggest problem for me is the CBs. Ive said it for years but we need dominating CBs in this division. We have to sign 'another Harry Souttar' who wins everything and scares the opposing forwards. Tanganga isnt big enough but would be better as an old school sweeper using his pace to cover the big man who goes for every ball.
 
The crucial thing now is get a couple more wins and ensure we arent sucked back into a dog fight. How do we do that? Just a casual observer opinion...

1. Bench burrows. As good as he can be going forward, we're too fragile at the back. Give hjelde a chance. Hes done nowt wrong yet.
2. Bench peck, he looks knackered.
3. Don't defend at 1 nil, you'd think hed learnt from sunderland. Score 2 and THEN do that stuff
4. Lock hoever in the training ground store room and do not release until week 46

What scares me is out of these 4 things, 4 is probably the most likely due to a certain stubborn manager (whom i have generally supported but he is repeating same mistakes)
 
Your first point is wrong, teams that do well score goals look at Leeds, Burnley last season and Coventry and Middlesbrough this season.
All were not particularly solid at the back but attacked with pace and always looked threatening going forward.
They didn't need too be that strong in defensive because they know if they did concede they are more than capable of out scoring the opposition.
Of course the Holy grail would be a tight defensive and a lightning quick free scoring attack.
Personally I think it is more important to be better in attack than defense, at the end of the day goals win games.
The triple assault season was a good example we often conceded but you knew we had goals in us, we were equally capable of scoring inside the first 10min or in the 96th minute.
Now when Wilder makes substitutions our attacking threat evaporates and we never look like scoring.
You're having a laugh.

Burnley conceded 16 (sixteen) goals all season, but they weren't "particularly solid at the back"

Leeds conceded 30, that's six less than the defence that we lauded for grinding out one nil win after one nil win.

Admittedly Leeds scored a shedload of goals too but Burnley only scored six more than us whilst conceding twenty less than our game winning defence.

I'd love to hear your definition of solid at the back.

P.S The first step to winning games is to not lose them so solid at the back is the number one requirement for me.
 
I want Wilder to stay because I don't trust the owners to have an idea how to run a football club.

For what its worth, Kristjaan Speakman left his role as Sunderland AFC's Sporting Director in February, perhaps we could do worse than bringing someone like that in?
 
POOR DECISION MAKING
Whether it’s the starting lineup, substitutions, or the lack of them, the list of “what the hell?” moments is endless.
Fans can often see what’s coming long before anything changes, but the manager seems blind to it. How many points have we lost because changes came too late — or didn’t come at all? Take today as an example. Everyone could see what was happening, yet he took off our best player, made the team weaker, and then we conceded. At times it’s genuinely mind-boggling. There’s no Plan B. Is it a lack of football intelligence? Is he becoming a footballing dinosaur while other managers move forward tactically? Or is it just stubbornness — maybe a bit of both?
Fans moan about every decision, then on the odd occasion they're right they claim to see the situation better than Wilder.

Staying with last night as an example, numerous posters suggested Wilder was watching us fold whilst doing nothing about it: "we know what's coming, we'll concede and then he'll make changes when it's too late". That doesn't happen, but everyone just moves the goalposts and keeps talking like they knew all along. It's embarrassing.

Our best player has just come back from injury and was obviously substituted for fitness reasons. The pattern of the game had already shifted, we were already on the back foot, the substitution didn't cause it.

Many have complained about starting lineups recently, I asked a poster in another thread who they'd have started last night instead and didn't get a reply. I ask you what mind-boggling decision was made in this regard last night.
 
Your first point is wrong, teams that do well score goals look at Leeds, Burnley last season and Coventry and Middlesbrough this season.
All were not particularly solid at the back but attacked with pace and always looked threatening going forward.
They didn't need too be that strong in defensive because they know if they did concede they are more than capable of out scoring the opposition.
Of course the Holy grail would be a tight defensive and a lightning quick free scoring attack.
Personally I think it is more important to be better in attack than defense, at the end of the day goals win games.
The triple assault season was a good example we often conceded but you knew we had goals in us, we were equally capable of scoring inside the first 10min or in the 96th minute.
Now when Wilder makes substitutions our attacking threat evaporates and we never look like scoring.
Burnley were not particularly solid at the back :oops:
 
Look, no manager who has sat in the Bramall Lane hot seat owes the club anything. But it’s different with Chris Wilder.
Being such a big Blade who came through ranks, he more than anyone would want leave a legacy at the club.
So maybe if we stick with Wilder the club should insist on there being some sort of succession plan in place.
Whether it’s new younger coaches, who could challenge Wilders thinking or merely act as sounding board for him.
Chris, rightly or wrongly seems to carry the full weight of this club on his shoulders. The club must either help him with this burden or take him out of the equation altogether…The board must think very carefully about their next move.
This hasn’t ‘happened’ to him, it’s a situation entirely of his own making. He’s filled the club top to bottom with his mates and people that know their careers depend on him being the Sheffield United manager. Every time we appoint someone different the whole machine turns its energy to making the job as difficult as possible for whoever comes in (Slav, Selles). Hecky managed to drag us to success because he was up for the fight with the idiots that work for our club.

For all the good he did dragging us out of League 1 we’ve got absolutely nothing to show for it today other than memories. A new car park, hotel re-opened and a training ground we can’t afford to build on. The amount of money he’s burnt through is criminal.

We should’ve let Hecky finish that last prem season and then started from scratch when we lost 20 players. It was the perfect time to bring a new team in, but we panicked and took the easy way out and now we’re stuck with the repercussions of that decision.
 
Great summary, whilst isn’t clearly been an improvement on Selles, my concern for a while is that we’ve now got the Boro/Watford version of Wilder.

He’ll stay and we’ll probably be an average mid table championship team, but I’d like to see us take a risk, which I know is easy to say when it’s not my money.

A change of direction would be great to see, completely modernise the structure. Let’s try and put something in place which could really move us up to a new level. But I think the owners will play it safe and stick with Wilder, hopefully they’re right and I’m wrong.
What we need is to put the infrastructure in place around Wilder, and only once it's all plumbed in and working do we then change coach.

Not doing that is what set Selles up to fail, and as things stand right now any of the "head coach" type managers we want to attract wouldn't do much better. They don't want their fingers in all the pies, they just want the club to run itself while they focus on matchdays and training.

I would like to see Wilder retained for next season but with some of the money that would typically go on transfers over the summer spent instead on expanding and modernising the backroom staff around him, so that the next time we have a crap run of results we are actually in a position to have someone with new ideas hit the ground running with the proper support they would need for that.
 



What we need is to put the infrastructure in place around Wilder, and only once it's all plumbed in and working do we then change coach.

Not doing that is what set Selles up to fail, and as things stand right now any of the "head coach" type managers we want to attract wouldn't do much better. They don't want their fingers in all the pies, they just want the club to run itself while they focus on matchdays and training.

I would like to see Wilder retained for next season but with some of the money that would typically go on transfers over the summer spent instead on expanding and modernising the backroom staff around him, so that the next time we have a crap run of results we are actually in a position to have someone with new ideas hit the ground running with the proper support they would need for that.

The question is, would Wilder accept a new set up? Would it be something we could do over a period of time with Wilder in place or would he want out if it’s not being run the way he wants?
 
We should’ve let Hecky finish that last prem season and then started from scratch when we lost 20 players.

It was right to get rid of Hecky. In fact it should have been much earlier; he should have been shown the door after the Fulham away game.

And any normal club would have binned Wilder off too, way before the end of that season as in many ways it got worse. Probably after the Arsenal humiliation when we'd conceded 21 goals during 4 consecutive home games.

There is no changing things around without risk. I think back, for example, to when Ipswich got rid of Mick McCarthy and we had the usual "be careful what you wish for" warnings from the punditry wankerati. Sure enough, Ipswich did get relegated and spent 3 seasons in the 3rd Division but they're in a far better place now. I wonder where they'd be if they still had McCarthy boring them to death?

Of course, we had a similar experience ourselves. The trouble is there's still a hell of a lot of Blades who think that can be repeated.
 
The question is, would Wilder accept a new set up? Would it be something we could do over a period of time with Wilder in place or would he want out if it’s not being run the way he wants?
Think it’s been stated on record more than once that neither Bettis nor Wilder will work with a director of football.

To be honest, wilder will always be the focal point for my frustration but I want the whole lot gone. Bettis, all the department heads, junior board members, Hoyland, Allen, Medical team, doctor… the lot. They’ve proven over the last 10 years not to be up to standard.
 
Think it’s been stated on record more than once that neither Bettis nor Wilder will work with a director of football.

To be honest, wilder will always be the focal point for my frustration but I want the whole lot gone. Bettis, all the department heads, junior board members, Hoyland, Allen, Medical team, doctor… the lot. They’ve proven over the last 10 years not to be up to standard.
Not what he said when he came back. I think he was told in no uncertain terms that he doesn't get final say on things like that any more.

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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spo...sheffield-united-director-of-football-5320931
 
He's quoted as saying something was missing against Norwich?? Can't put his finger on it??? Could see their goals coming??????? His vast experience can't see what the common denominator is......I'm afraid it's you CW, it's you. He is a club legend but all things must end sometime. Thanks for the great times.....but time is up.
But lucky for you Chris the owners wo t dare sack you....so carry on big guy, ponder those questions each and every post match.
 
What we need is to put the infrastructure in place around Wilder, and only once it's all plumbed in and working do we then change coach.

Not doing that is what set Selles up to fail, and as things stand right now any of the "head coach" type managers we want to attract wouldn't do much better. They don't want their fingers in all the pies, they just want the club to run itself while they focus on matchdays and training.

I would like to see Wilder retained for next season but with some of the money that would typically go on transfers over the summer spent instead on expanding and modernising the backroom staff around him, so that the next time we have a crap run of results we are actually in a position to have someone with new ideas hit the ground running with the proper support they would need for that.

Wilder wouldn't accept it. Can you see him working with a DoF or a technical team foisted upon him because I certainly can't. That's why he's filled roles with his mates.
 
Bloody hell he’s come in to a team that had the worst start to a championship season in history.

We also signed a load of players that he wasn’t here to sign off & he’s got us to mid table.

We could very easily be West Brom, Blackburn, Leicester (appreciate they’re there because of deduction)

He fully deserves to the opportunity to get us back on track next season

People slag off his transfer window but he also brought in Reidwald & Bamford. Rothwell will improve with game time.
 
Slav and Selles deserved the sackings they got. Not "bladey blade" but awful at their jobs so rightfully were fired.

Results picked up with Hecky and Wilder coming in as replacements.
Slav never got the backing to sign the players he needed to play the way he wanted.
Selles I'll give you that a total disaster.
Wilder and Heckingbottom did steady the ship and I said when Wilder came back he would keep us up, just don't think he is good enough to take us back up and the football is boring and predictable, I nearly fell a sleep against WBA and I haven't done that for a good few years.
His substitutions always seem to have a negative effect on our attacking play.
 
This is the crux of the problem going forward. The club tried a different direction, albeit probably with the wrong man, but the fickle nature of football means there often isn't the time allowed for a change of direction. Unless there's an immediate upturn in results and style a new manager is toast. It's very difficult to make the changes required and be an immediate success, and football fans don't have the patience for that.
I agree although we do seem to have more of a problem than other clubs about accepting a manager who has no connection to the club.
 
You're having a laugh.

Burnley conceded 16 (sixteen) goals all season, but they weren't "particularly solid at the back"

Leeds conceded 30, that's six less than the defence that we lauded for grinding out one nil win after one nil win.

Admittedly Leeds scored a shedload of goals too but Burnley only scored six more than us whilst conceding twenty less than our game winning defence.

I'd love to hear your definition of solid at the back.

P.S The first step to winning games is to not lose them so solid at the back is the number one requirement for me.
You forgot to mention Coventry and Middlesbrough who seem to have conceded on average a goal per game.
 
The problem is how I see it is
Has a team who can play good for 45 minutes but not for 90.
Not has the player's to take the chances when they present themselves.
Too much deadwood as well.
 
I am ok with Wilder getting another season but that doesn't mean I am blind or ignoring his weaknesses. Changing manager should also mean some structural changes and that has to align with a new manager if we are going to be successful. That is part of what is going wrong when owners don't know the game and assume they know a lot. That will take time to get right.

As posters say it does look like we drop back once ahead. But there is more to it when we concede. We get crucified on losing the ball high up the pitch. There a few reasons for this. 1. Our build up play has lost momentum. 2. We give away the ball. 3. Our fullbacks are playing too high up the pitch without proper cover. 4. Not tracking back.
5. Not scanning your blindside.

The winning goal last night, was perfect example of getting it wrong. Burrows up the pitch. Seriki drifted infield and into traffic.
Peck didnt see the problem early enough so ended up trying to chase back. Rothwell was slow react and didn't sprint back or scan his blindside. If he had he would have seen the Norwich player sprinting into the space vacated by Burrows and should try to close him off.

Our fullbacks should only be up the pitch when someone puts the ball in front of them. When we do have quick overlaps we tend to cross the ball quickly and defenders are facing their own goal. If the ball is lost then we need to get back into shape quickly.

The way we are playing is having 2 centre backs trying to deal with 2 to 3 attackers who are coming at pace with loads of space to run into. Bindon and Tanganga both work had to cut off the danger. But it happens so many times, they can't stop everything.

All this leads back to Leadership, coaching and culture. We fans can see it. Manager and coaches??
 



The problem is how I see it is
Has a team who can play good for 45 minutes but not for 90.
Not has the player's to take the chances when they present themselves.
Too much deadwood as well.
Saying that for years. Even in our promotion years the team couldn't dominate for long periods. Always, maybe an exaggeration, letting the opposition get chances. When we had Soutar, that was the last time we could shut up shop and teams didn't look like scoring. Miss him!!!
Like in Real estate...location, location, location
Footy...recruitment, recruitment, recruitment.
Ours is overall piss poor....at best
 

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