What if all United's matches had had VAR...

[1973Blade]

The Chris Morgan non tackle against Liverpool would not have been a penalty. Rob Kozluk's good goal at West Ham would not have been disallowed in the' Tevez year'. Going further back John Fashanu's second blatant handball would have been a penalty back in 1991. I'm sure plenty of decisions would have gone against us as well.
Which other matches would have turned out differently if VAR had been in place?

 

[mattbianco1]

The Chris Morgan non tackle against Liverpool would not have been a penalty. Rob Kozluk's good goal at West Ham would not have been disallowed in the' Tevez year'. Going further back John Fashanu's second blatant handball would have been a penalty back in 1991. I'm sure plenty of decisions would have gone against us as well.
Which other matches would have turned out differently if VAR had been in place?

All of them. We've never lost fairly

 

[ucandomagic]

Last year’s “equalizer” at Boro for one!

 

[WhiteHawk]

We might not have beat Palace in the league cup in the 2002/03 season. Weren't 2 of our goals offside?

 

[DaleHillBlade]

We would have all been sat around a lot longer waiting for a greater number of incompetent referees to make the wrong decision.

 

[bromtom]

We would have all been sat around a lot longer waiting for a greater number of incompetent referees to make the wrong decision.

This is why I'm dreading VAR, it's all well and good when you're at the world cup with the cream of referees and rigorously tested systems but when it's the premier league next season, with Mike Dean with a ropey connection to another incompetent twat in the VAR control room who doesn't know how to rewind the footage or draw straight lines, then I'd rather do without thanks.

Spend whatever massive sum it'll cost to set up VAR at all the grounds and use it to train and pay some new professional referees who are fit and good at their job.

 

[ucandomagic]

Mind you - I still don’t know how VAR allowed the Croatia goal with a foot within a whisker of Kyle’s head. Disallow that and us old ‘uns could easily be celebrating with our sons what we did with our Dads 52 years ago.

Still, when it looked possible I arranged to come to Jersey to watch with my son just in case, and I got to swim with my grandson while he was surfing this morning - so every cloud...

Back home tomorrow and the real world, bring on Inter!!

 

[DaleHillBlade]

This is why I'm dreading VAR, it's all well and good when you're at the world cup with the cream of referees and rigorously tested systems but when it's the premier league next season, with Mike Dean with a ropey connection to another incompetent twat in the VAR control room who doesn't know how to rewind the footage or draw straight lines, then I'd rather do without thanks.

Spend whatever massive sum it'll cost to set up VAR at all the grounds and use it to train and pay some new professional referees who are fit and good at their job.

Or recognise it as the diminishing of the spirit of the game that it is and put it in the bin.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

We wouldn’t have beaten Leeds away 86/87- mile offside.

 

[JohnDenver]

We might not have beat Palace in the league cup in the 2002/03 season. Weren't 2 of our goals offside?

Pesch’s Goal... Worst offside decision I’ve ever seen.

 

[BLADEOR]

Laurent de jaffo would have stayed on after a perfectly good tackle in the battle of Bramall Lane against wba.... or more realistically sentenced to 5 years ffs

 

[WhiteHawk]

Pesch’s Goal... Worst offside decision I’ve ever seen.

Yeh, Pesch was miles offside for at least one goal. Got it in my head that he was offside for both of his goals though, although I could be wrong.

 

[1973Blade]

Laurent de jaffo would have stayed on after a perfectly good tackle in the battle of Bramall Lane against wba.... or more realistically sentenced to 5 years ffs

It was Georges Santos, another ex French player I have forgotten about!

 

[BLADEOR]

Oh ffs. In Majorca and this sangria is strong as f.... ah well, at least var would have cleared de jaffo

 

[Nade]

We might not have beat Palace in the league cup in the 2002/03 season. Weren't 2 of our goals offside?

One definitely was. Dont think two of them were - the one that was put the game to bed though.

 

[mosbolad]

Things may have turned out differently if all Premier Inn bedrooms had VAR.....

 

[loyalblade95]

We would have beaten Walsall at the lane in our title season

 

[1973Blade]

Norwich City would have been banned following their antics last season!

 

[Billyblade]

We'd have had 14 players sent off against WBA

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Although individual decisions may have been different, you can't say that the match results would have then been correspondingly different, as the game from that point would have been played differently. So it's a fairly pointless exercise.
It's far better to just have the bitterness and disgust.

 

[8lade]

The Chris Morgan non tackle against Liverpool would not have been a penalty.

This instance in particularly would have been upheld, they even pulled out a rule used once every 10 years to justify it. There is a set of teams who will benefit from VAR and it won't include Sheff United.

 

[IMABLADE]

Weird one but Matt Done's disallowed equaliser against Swindon in the 1st leg playoff semi final, would have made it 2-2 I believe. Can't remember the problem but it was a wrong decision

 

[grafikhaus]

Or recognise it as the diminishing of the spirit of the game that it is and put it in the bin.

Agreed. Some people are thinking that VAR is the panacea for most wrong decisions in football, but it isn't. There's been plenty of examples in this WC where it's been blatantly wrong (Neymar's 'genuine' penalty, for one). Was that a penalty for France yesterday (handball)? Technically, yes but - as one of the ITV team said - 'the game is not played in slow-motion' You can bet that, if VAR was in use when Morgan 'meant to foul' Stevie G, Styles would have run to the sidelines, looked at the monitor and pointed to the spot. Biased/incompetent refs. will always get around it. They still have the attitude of 'the referee is always right'. That's why so many referee's assistants are loathe to overrule them.

 

[diode_blade]

Problem with VAR is that the idiots are still using Betamax tape.....

 

[snootyfenooty]

Mind you - I still don’t know how VAR allowed the Croatia goal with a foot within a whisker of Kyle’s head. Disallow that and us old ‘uns could easily be celebrating with our sons what we did with our Dads 52 years ago.

Still, when it looked possible I arranged to come to Jersey to watch with my son just in case, and I got to swim with my grandson while he was surfing this morning - so every cloud...

Back home tomorrow and the real world, bring on Inter!!

Kilgallon got a red card vs the pigs for exactly the same sort of challenge, except it was leg high rather than head high.

 

[Razor_Blade]

Although individual decisions may have been different, you can't say that the match results would have then been correspondingly different, as the game from that point would have been played differently. So it's a fairly pointless exercise.
It's far better to just have the bitterness and disgust.

I Agree.......

If my auntie had bollocks shed be my uncle....... she doesn't and isn't whats the point? also no one is looking at what decisions that went in our favor and gained us points, that half a yard, the corner what came off our player etc if you want the ones that go in for you be prepared for all that ones that go against you also.

 

[I should coco]

Laurent de jaffo would have stayed on after a perfectly good tackle in the battle of Bramall Lane against wba...

It was Georges Santos, another ex French player I have forgotten about!

He still got the ball though....

....and maybe just a teensy weensy bit of the man too.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Agreed. Some people are thinking that VAR is the panacea for most wrong decisions in football, but it isn't. There's been plenty of examples in this WC where it's been blatantly wrong (Neymar's 'genuine' penalty, for one). Was that a penalty for France yesterday (handball)? Technically, yes but - as one of the ITV team said - 'the game is not played in slow-motion' You can bet that, if VAR was in use when Morgan 'meant to foul' Stevie G, Styles would have run to the sidelines, looked at the monitor and pointed to the spot. Biased/incompetent refs. will always get around it. They still have the attitude of 'the referee is always right'. That's why so many referee's assistants are loathe to overrule them.

I've pointed this out before. There is a huge reluctance in football to undermine the referee's authority, even the perception of it being undermined. People point to other sports to show how well video replays work, but to take cricket as an example, the off-field umpire will over-rule the on-field decision. Having the referee run over and review the video himself makes the VAR referees nothing more than video tape technicians. The whole thing still lands on the shoulders of one man.

 

[grafikhaus]

He still got the ball though....

....and maybe just a teensy weensy bit of the man too.

Over to Judge Rinder...

 

[snootyfenooty]

I've pointed this out before. There is a huge reluctance in football to undermine the referee's authority, even the perception of it being undermined. People point to other sports to show how well video replays work, but to take cricket as an example, the off-field umpire will over-rule the on-field decision. Having the referee run over and review the video himself makes the VAR referees nothing more than video tape technicians. The whole thing still lands on the shoulders of one man.

Further to your point, what concerns me is that the VAR ref has two options: either to do nothing and tell the ref there is nothing to see, or invite the ref to take a look at the video as there may be something in it. The very fact he chooses the second option is to put doubt in the ref's mind over the original decision and therefore to suggest to him that he may be wrong. I think the ref is then coerced by peer-pressure to change his mind. The French penalty is a classic example where the ref feels obliged to change his decision simply by being called to review his original one and the whole process goes tits-up. As you point out, having the VAR ref make the decision would take this quandary out of the match ref's hands. The VAR refs for their part should be reminded of the "clear and obvious" instruction when making a review and getting booted off the panel if they don't. By making this simple tweak to the process I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be successful.