What if all United's matches had had VAR...

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We'd have had 2 penalties at Hillsborough away in the "Ched" season.
 
1973Blade said:
The Chris Morgan non tackle against Liverpool would not have been a penalty.
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I'm in the minority here, but that was a penalty. For some reason, our fans quote the "intent" part of it as unfair, when the laws of football clearly state that it is a foul if an players "kicks or attempts to kick, trips or attempts to trip...". Gerrard was about to score, and jumping over the challenge clearly put him off. The attempt by Morgan was so far from the ball and was definitely an attempt to just stop Gerrard. About one minute into this clip...



What I didn't like was the referee's justification being "Steven Gerrard carried the ball and the Sheffield United player attempted a tackle". Being on naming terms with the famous players but not others really isn't acceptable and smacks of bias.
 
Geordie Blade said:
I'm in the minority here, but that was a penalty. For some reason, our fans quote the "intent" part of it as unfair, when the laws of football clearly state that it is a foul if an players "kicks or attempts to kick, trips or attempts to trip...". Gerrard was about to score, and jumping over the challenge clearly put him off. The attempt by Morgan was so far from the ball and was definitely an attempt to just stop Gerrard. About one minute into this clip...



What I didn't like was the referee's justification being "Steven Gerrard carried the ball and the Sheffield United player attempted a tackle". Being on naming terms with the famous players but not others really isn't acceptable and smacks of bias.
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You're in a minority but you're not alone. I see it as a penalty as well. In my memory Gerard made too much of a meal of it, going down in a big flounce, but the video shows that's probably not correct either.
 
Disagree about Gerrard and the penalty. He was challenged, there was no contact, he lost control of the ball, it rolled to the keeper, he went over. If the mere presence of a challenge is a reference to award a free kick (or a penalty) to the opposition then you may as well shut down football as an opposition sport and just have headers and volleys. I don't know what Morgan could have done more or less, save for take Gerrard out comprehensively (which he didn't). It wasn't a penalty and when it all tots up, that three points turned into one and we were relegated partly (or if you want, wholly) because of it.

Styles/Gerrard = wankers.

Oh, and Tevez, Brooking and Ferguson too.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Disagree about Gerrard and the penalty. He was challenged, there was no contact, he lost control of the ball, it rolled to the keeper, he went over. If the mere presence of a challenge is a reference to award a free kick (or a penalty) to the opposition then you may as well shut down football as an opposition sport and just have headers and volleys. I don't know what Morgan could have done more or less, save for take Gerrard out comprehensively (which he didn't). It wasn't a penalty and when it all tots up, that three points turned into one and we were relegated partly (or if you want, wholly) because of it.

Styles/Gerrard = wankers.

Oh, and Tevez, Brooking and Ferguson too.

pommpey
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That particular incident can be debated, but the continued reference to "no contact" makes no sense. As Geordie Blade pointed out, it's in the rules that an attempt to foul is a foul. You can't argue a rule by stating something that isn't in the rules. From the point of view that you may as well give up if there's no contact allowed, I agree with you, but there has to be a line somewhere and I agree with the rules as they are, otherwise you are saying to players that they have to leave a trailing leg and have to go down if they want a foul - which more or less happens now anyway, and which I'd like to see less of.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
That particular incident can be debated, but the continued reference to "no contact" makes no sense. As Geordie Blade pointed out, it's in the rules that an attempt to foul is a foul. You can't argue a rule by stating something that isn't in the rules. From the point of view that you may as well give up if there's no contact allowed, I agree with you, but there has to be a line somewhere and I agree with the rules as they are, otherwise you are saying to players that they have to leave a trailing leg and have to go down if they want a foul - which more or less happens now anyway, and which I'd like to see less of.
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When does an attempt to tackle become an attempt to foul, please? Morgan went in to win the ball, or at least disrupt Gerrard's advance. If I offer a winger the outside channel and block his advance inside and then marshal him into a dead end and cut off his options or if I put a foot in to disrupt his advance and am unsuccessful, am I to be penalised for 'attempting to foul'? An attempt to foul is exactly that … a last ditch method to bring down the attacker which is unsuccessful. Morgan is hardly guilty of that. Just because Gerrard then realised his control was lost, decided that the only way to capitalise on that was to drop to the deck and then use his obvious luminary influence on a PL ref to scream 'penalty' doesn't mean to say it was a penalty. We wuz robbed.

pommpey
 
Wasn't there an absolutely blatant handball by Viv Anderson in the Wembley semi in '93 that would have been a penalty if spotted?
 
pommpey said:
When does an attempt to tackle become an attempt to foul, please? Morgan went in to win the ball, or at least disrupt Gerrard's advance. If I offer a winger the outside channel and block his advance inside and then marshal him into a dead end and cut off his options or if I put a foot in to disrupt his advance and am unsuccessful, am I to be penalised for 'attempting to foul'? An attempt to foul is exactly that … a last ditch method to bring down the attacker which is unsuccessful. Morgan is hardly guilty of that. Just because Gerrard then realised his control was lost, decided that the only way to capitalise on that was to drop to the deck and then use his obvious luminary influence on a PL ref to scream 'penalty' doesn't mean to say it was a penalty. We wuz robbed.

pommpey
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Well I would say it has to be subjective according to the ref, just like hand ball, or in fact any foul - or whether a foul is just a foul or a yellow card. I know what you're saying, but you're arguing against the rules. Maybe the rules should be changed, but as they read, the ref was within his rights to adjudge it as a foul i.e. that Morgan attempted to bring Gerrard down as opposed to going for the ball and, again according to the rules, I don't see how he was wrong.
Gerrard's odd stumble made it look more like a dive than a foul, but if the rules were to say you have to have contact - which was what my earlier point was about more than anything - then all Gerrard had to do was leave his leg behind to get that contact - and we would all be saying how he deliberately left his leg behind.
 
The worst episode where VAR and/or goal line technologyu would have helped us in the 2007 relegation season didn't involve United. It happened in West Ham's game at Blackburn when a goal was allowed when the ball struck Tevez who was standing on the goal line in an offside position and didn't cross the line.

That goal gave West Ham a 2-1 win which should have been a 1-1 draw and had it been disallowed we would have stayed up.

See the video at about 0.45 in.

 
Battle of Bramall Lane.

Santos would have been cleared as he attempted to get the ball.
That would have meant no Suffo headbutt.

McInnes should have been sent off for trying to get Keith Curle sent off.

We'd have won.

Megson would have made an even bigger twat of himself.
 



VAR is only supposed to be used for clear and obvious mistaken decisions (which it clearly wasn't in the World Cup ) such as when Colin Morris scored a thunderbolt at the lane end against Grimsby the ball hit the back staunchion came straight out and both ref and linesman played on thinking it had hit the bar
 
grafikhaus said:
Over to Judge Rinder...:D

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I'm not normally one to condone violence but Santos's mistake there was to not aim at Johnson's standing leg.

On the VAR point - we should have had a penalty away at Manchester United for the foul on Shelton by Heinze. Ridiculous decision to turn it down.
 
BLADEOR said:
Laurent de jaffo would have stayed on after a perfectly good tackle in the battle of Bramall Lane against wba.... or more realistically sentenced to 5 years ffs
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More like sentenced to life that was attempted murder
 
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