What happened to those who questioned the Prince's commitment?

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On a day such as today, a new manager, almost universal agreement in the appointment of Nigel Adkins, and the thought crossed my mind.......who now recalls those posters who queried the Prince and his commitment to the Blades? I recall such offensive comments as raghead being used to attack the Prince, snide comments about 'game changing investment', and a general barn dance of know-nothing foolishness being aired just because these same posters are fiscally illiterate and clueless to the ways money is spent and invested.

Slowly but surely the Prince has stamped his mark throughout the club. A brand new pitch fit for the present and future, no time wasted in addressing the managerial position twice! And now we have Nigel Adkins steering the good ship SUFC...could the timing of his appointment be any better? Adkins has time to familiarise himself with the club, assess the current squad, bring in players he'll know we need, and ensure that the mighty Blades go from the turgid style of play we'd become used to, to a style of play that excites and succeeds (at least that's the hope).

So, all you miserable nobs (you know who you are) who slaughtered the Prince even before he'd had a chance to make his mark, it's time for some humility and appreciation for what's happening at SUFC.....and all because of the board. UTB!
 



On a day such as today, a new manager, almost universal agreement in the appointment of Nigel Adkins, and the thought crossed my mind.......who now recalls those posters who queried the Prince and his commitment to the Blades? I recall such offensive comments as raghead being used to attack the Prince, snide comments about 'game changing investment', and a general barn dance of know-nothing foolishness being aired just because these same posters are fiscally illiterate and clueless to the ways money is spent and invested.

Slowly but surely the Prince has stamped his mark throughout the club. A brand new pitch fit for the present and future, no time wasted in addressing the managerial position twice! And now we have Nigel Adkins steering the good ship SUFC...could the timing of his appointment be any better? Adkins has time to familiarise himself with the club, assess the current squad, bring in players he'll know we need, and ensure that the mighty Blades go from the turgid style of play we'd become used to, to a style of play that excites and succeeds (at least that's the hope).

So, all you miserable nobs (you know who you are) who slaughtered the Prince even before he'd had a chance to make his mark, it's time for some humility and appreciation for what's happening at SUFC.....and all because of the board. UTB!

I think, given the amount of bs we've been fed from the club over the years, everyone had the right to question whether this would just be another in a long line of let-downs.
 
I think, given the amount of bs we've been fed from the club over the years, everyone had the right to question whether this would just be another in a long line of let-downs.

robbiez666 , of course we're right to be cynical, but the amount of flack that was aimed at the Prince went well beyond anything resembling considered criticisms. I think anyone can take criticism as long as it's constructive, but the comments that appeared were never close to constructive. They were hateful and cast woe on the Prince even before he had a chance to assess what was needed. Now we're seeing those benefits, and perhaps it'll come as a cautionary note to those who opened their mouths before thinking.
 
robbiez666 , of course we're right to be cynical, but the amount of flack that was aimed at the Prince went well beyond anything resembling considered criticisms. I think anyone can take criticism as long as it's constructive, but the comments that appeared were never close to constructive. They were hateful and cast woe on the Prince even before he had a chance to assess what was needed. Now we're seeing those benefits, and perhaps it'll come as a cautionary note to those who opened their mouths before thinking.

You know what some people are like. Expect the world and don't understand the price of anything.
 
Maybe my memory fails me but in actual fact I don't remember hardly anybody sticking up for the prince that much:confused: Good to hear though.
 
Why is it always Jim and Prince this. Does he still get all the blame for the past and had nothing to do with this appointment?
 
Maybe my memory fails me but in actual fact I don't remember hardly anybody sticking up for the prince that much:confused: Good to hear though.

I think what it was WWF was that a few very vocal posters demanded muscles to be flexed as soon as the Prince came on board. When you look at the number of players Clough signed, not once was there ever a stall by the board, NC got whoever he asked for. And so it's continued, the Prince, via his colleagues, have shown their intentions and will continue to do so. It's only those who are adrift when it comes to the mechanics of how a football club is run who think that all it takes is to click their fingers and things miraculously happen.....if only the world was like that.
 
On a day such as today, a new manager, almost universal agreement in the appointment of Nigel Adkins, and the thought crossed my mind.......who now recalls those posters who queried the Prince and his commitment to the Blades? I recall such offensive comments as raghead being used to attack the Prince, snide comments about 'game changing investment', and a general barn dance of know-nothing foolishness being aired just because these same posters are fiscally illiterate and clueless to the ways money is spent and invested.

Slowly but surely the Prince has stamped his mark throughout the club. A brand new pitch fit for the present and future, no time wasted in addressing the managerial position twice! And now we have Nigel Adkins steering the good ship SUFC...could the timing of his appointment be any better? Adkins has time to familiarise himself with the club, assess the current squad, bring in players he'll know we need, and ensure that the mighty Blades go from the turgid style of play we'd become used to, to a style of play that excites and succeeds (at least that's the hope).

So, all you miserable nobs (you know who you are) who slaughtered the Prince even before he'd had a chance to make his mark, it's time for some humility and appreciation for what's happening at SUFC.....and all because of the board. UTB!

But, mysteriously, the bog roll throughout the ground is still well below par.
 
I think what it was WWF was that a few very vocal posters demanded muscles to be flexed as soon as the Prince came on board. When you look at the number of players Clough signed, not once was there ever a stall by the board, NC got whoever he asked for. And so it's continued, the Prince, via his colleagues, have shown their intentions and will continue to do so. It's only those who are adrift when it comes to the mechanics of how a football club is run who think that all it takes is to click their fingers and things miraculously happen.....if only the world was like that.
Carlsberg don't do football clubs, but if they did.....
 
... snide comments about 'game changing investment'

I was one of those. My hand is firmly up, IIYB. I have yet to see any Game Changing Investment. We are in no better place than we were when he joined and McCabe made that ridiculous, empty statement. Yet many were clapping their hands and stamping their feet expecting it to be the beginning of the new era for Sheffield United.

these same posters are fiscally illiterate and clueless to the ways money is spent and invested.

Mebbes. Maybe we don't have the business acumen and experience that some of the big-shots at the Lane has ... but it does not for one minute reduce our ability or right to ask pertinent questions and make our own judgement calls which are agreeable or not with other board members.

Slowly but surely the Prince has stamped his mark throughout the club. A brand new pitch fit for the present and future, no time wasted in addressing the managerial position twice!

So ... here's my question. Why not once? I ask this, because yes, we were greatly relieved he (is supposed to have) paid off Weir and his crew to relieve us of imminent descent into div two. But here's the cracker. Given Clough did squirt Cold Start into the cylinders of a spluttering club and we made the semis of the FA Cup and almost confounded the greatest cynics by making the playoffs, are we to believe that the impetus for continuing that level of success was in the same vein as you imply 'the board' served Clough and the supporters with the likes of Coutts and Higdon? Yup, Clough signed them. We still kinda don't know how much for, mind.

And now we have Nigel Adkins steering the good ship SUFC...could the timing of his appointment be any better? Adkins has time to familiarise himself with the club, assess the current squad, bring in players he'll know we need, and ensure that the mighty Blades go from the turgid style of play we'd become used to, to a style of play that excites and succeeds (at least that's the hope).

Optimism is excellent, if the reality and possibilities exist to uphold it. Given our squad is shot full of talent-holes and will need some outstanding reinforcement to even make the play-offs again under any manager, I'd say the Prince had better get ready to get his bank card out again. We need a consistent goalkeeper (maybe two), some pretty solid central defenders, at least two injury-free playmaking midfielders and my favourite ... the golden 20+ per season striker. That is the only way we will be promoted and stay promoted.

So, all you miserable nobs (you know who you are) who slaughtered the Prince even before he'd had a chance to make his mark, it's time for some humility and appreciation for what's happening at SUFC.....and all because of the board. UTB!

Ask me this when come March 2016 we are six points clear with a chasing pack who look like they are running out of steam (like us in recent years) and we have a superior goal difference. I don't give one fat fuck about any of the cups, so McCabe's brief to Adkins should be to blood the benchers and youngsters in on the three competitions and get the first team squad, current players like Murphy, Basham, Done and Brayford plus their augmentees playing like a feared, Championship outfit and not like we have seen in the past thirty six months. I will show great respect for the board and indeed the Prince if that happens and we look like Southampton of five years ago and carry out the resurgence us fans truly deserve.

I understand your comments IIYB and respect your point of view, but we have suffered enough. We have (yet again) a manager in place some fans believe can enable us to get out of div one but he isn't the playing staff. He needs the tools to do the job and the board are responsible for that.

pommpey
 
I've always backed this new regime, and understood, the Man City reference, but I had serious concerns whether the Prince would keep Nigel for his contract term, and then walk away if further failure happened. I am genuinely surprised that he has swept the decks again and his commitment is very impressive.
 
I was one of those. My hand is firmly up, IIYB. I have yet to see any Game Changing Investment. We are in no better place than we were when he joined and McCabe made that ridiculous, empty statement. Yet many were clapping their hands and stamping their feet expecting it to be the beginning of the new era for Sheffield United.

Firstly, you've at least had the bollocks to comment. I read your posts as I do many other posters on here. You certainly don't take prisoners mate, but at least you're up for a reasoned discussion if one is presented. Sadly, although you've been man enough to step forward, it'll be interesting to see if others who were as cynical as yourself (nothing wrong with cynicism by the way) can argue in the same vein as yourself.



Mebbes. Maybe we don't have the business acumen and experience that some of the big-shots at the Lane has ... but it does not for one minute reduce our ability or right to ask pertinent questions and make our own judgement calls which are agreeable or not with other board members.

Do you know what? I don't really care if other posters are clued-up financially, just as I don't give a toss if someone's use of english is that good. What matters is the intent that supports a post. That's the only thing that counts, because without passion what else is there, especially for a football club who are meant to be ambitious? So I'm agreeing, let a thousand flowers bloom. All I'd ask is that when criticism is forthcoming it attempts to consider the bigger picture, just not a poster's personal gripe.





So ... here's my question. Why not once? I ask this, because yes, we were greatly relieved he (is supposed to have) paid off Weir and his crew to relieve us of imminent descent into div two. But here's the cracker. Given Clough did squirt Cold Start into the cylinders of a spluttering club and we made the semis of the FA Cup and almost confounded the greatest cynics by making the playoffs, are we to believe that the impetus for continuing that level of success was in the same vein as you imply 'the board' served Clough and the supporters with the likes of Coutts and Higdon? Yup, Clough signed them. We still kinda don't know how much for, mind.

Unfortunately, I don't speak on behalf of the Prince or his mates. With hindsight, last season was very much a mixed bag, and as the season wore on it became something of a wrecking ball as far as our ability to match those above us. We simply weren't good enough, there, I've said it, and I was one of those who wanted Clough to do well. Fundamental errors were made and I hope Adkins can correct them ASAP! If you employ a manager the theory is that you employ a 'specialist'. Now, we all know that some 'specialists' aren't worth the paper their resume's are written on, but a board has to do it's best to support it's manager and not to make life difficult for him. By all means ask questions of the manager, but first and foremost the board should show support, it's what we, the fans, expect and demand. So blame Clough for those players you don't rate. NC asked for them and he got the support he expected.



Optimism is excellent, if the reality and possibilities exist to uphold it. Given our squad is shot full of talent-holes and will need some outstanding reinforcement to even make the play-offs again under any manager, I'd say the Prince had better get ready to get his bank card out again. We need a consistent goalkeeper (maybe two), some pretty solid central defenders, at least two injury-free playmaking midfielders and my favourite ... the golden 20+ per season striker. That is the only way we will be promoted and stay promoted.

Hopefully those holes you refer to will be addressed by Adkins. If not we'll struggle again.



Ask me this when come March 2016 we are six points clear with a chasing pack who look like they are running out of steam (like us in recent years) and we have a superior goal difference. I don't give one fat fuck about any of the cups, so McCabe's brief to Adkins should be to blood the benchers and youngsters in on the three competitions and get the first team squad, current players like Murphy, Basham, Done and Brayford plus their augmentees playing like a feared, Championship outfit and not like we have seen in the past thirty six months. I will show great respect for the board and indeed the Prince if that happens and we look like Southampton of five years ago and carry out the resurgence us fans truly deserve.

Agree about a cup, be it the FA or egg. There's one priority, promotion. As for your last comment, I pray that we'll come close to reaching standards that mean we impose ourselves on those in this poxy division and are regarded as the team to beat. I'm sure you and I will chat well before March next year, then we can see just how well everything has panned out.

I understand your comments IIYB and respect your point of view, but we have suffered enough. We have (yet again) a manager in place some fans believe can enable us to get out of div one but he isn't the playing staff. He needs the tools to do the job and the board are responsible for that.

Yes, we've lacked the nous, pure and simple. I could go round and round about what if this, or maybe that....but here we are, another season in a division I loathe. Let's see if the board do their part, then it'll be down to the manager, and most importantly, the players, to bring promotion to SUFC.

pommpey
 
I think what it was WWF was that a few very vocal posters demanded muscles to be flexed as soon as the Prince came on board. When you look at the number of players Clough signed, not once was there ever a stall by the board, NC got whoever he asked for. And so it's continued, the Prince, via his colleagues, have shown their intentions and will continue to do so. It's only those who are adrift when it comes to the mechanics of how a football club is run who think that all it takes is to click their fingers and things miraculously happen.....if only the world was like that.
I think what it was WWF was that a few very vocal posters demanded muscles to be flexed as soon as the Prince came on board. When you look at the number of players Clough signed, not once was there ever a stall by the board, NC got whoever he asked for. And so it's continued, the Prince, via his colleagues, have shown their intentions and will continue to do so. It's only those who are adrift when it comes to the mechanics of how a football club is run who think that all it takes is to click their fingers and things miraculously happen.....if only the world was like that.


As one of, if not the biggest "new board/ new owner clapper" on here over the months, I don't recall you or many others helping me out when I was under the cosh last November/ December trying to convince folk that the problem was Clough and that the Board had consistently provided all the cash he asked for. They were convinced Clough was the real deal and looked to blame the Board for starving him of cash. In fact on the few occasions I have noticed your monica it is when you have been bollocking me.

Anyway all that's in the past. The Board did well to capture Clough and it is regrettable that he lost his way. The Board in particular had a very strong JTW and now they have acted decisively with a sound new manager appointed. With a following wind and a bit of luck we can do well. I would say though that the new man deserves time to develop his squad, maybe until the end of the next JTW in fact. As ever for a new manager there will be various players he will not really want to keep but who have contracts and will stick around. Only a few players have been released and we still have a bloated squad which is nevertheless lightweight and unbalanced.
 
To be fair until the January transfer window there was very little evidence of game changing investment sure we brought in quite a lot of players but most of them could be classed as average journeymen, crocks with a big question mark over their fitness or youngsters from non league in other words showing all the signs of being cheap. Lets not forget Clough for all his faults brought in a good wedge of cash from the cup runs and we had the monies from the Maguire sale yet the first big signing was not until we paid well over the odds for Brayford in January. Now people might go on about how much was spent to pay up Weir and Clough but the game changing investment was supposed to be invested in the first team not putting the mistakes in managerial appointments right. Yet for all this we have a squad that is threadbare right through it's spine is there any wonder people ask why, strange if it is not a lack of investment from the Prince then surely it must be Clough who was not spending, to be fair he had plenty of time to buy some centre halves, all fucking season is surely enough time in anyone's eyes. Still not so long ago Clough was the man a lot wanted to give more time to, how quickly things change eh.
 



I will hold my hands up and say I questioned if he was still interested, but this certainly seems to be a statement that he is.
 
As one of, if not the biggest "new board/ new owner clapper" on here over the months, I don't recall you or many others helping me out when I was under the cosh last November/ December trying to convince folk that the problem was Clough and that the Board had consistently provided all the cash he asked for. They were convinced Clough was the real deal and looked to blame the Board for starving him of cash. In fact on the few occasions I have noticed your monica it is when you have been bollocking me.

Anyway all that's in the past. The Board did well to capture Clough and it is regrettable that he lost his way. The Board in particular had a very strong JTW and now they have acted decisively with a sound new manager appointed. With a following wind and a bit of luck we can do well. I would say though that the new man deserves time to develop his squad, maybe until the end of the next JTW in fact. As ever for a new manager there will be various players he will not really want to keep but who have contracts and will stick around. Only a few players have been released and we still have a bloated squad which is nevertheless lightweight and unbalanced.

And in a couple of 'cant wait to tell him a few home truths' paragraphs you've described exactly why you get flak. Please give me chapter and verse where I fall into what you describe as new board/ new owner clapper in the manner you describe? Yes, I've been pro-Clough, I don't have a problem with that. I also don't have a problem dissecting facts, especially my own, and should they prove suspect they deserve to be commented on constructively. You see, this nonsense about being right is childish. All that matters is to be able to learn and move forward.

You seem to want to prove a point, well knock yourself out if you gain some kind of emotional boost from having your point proved, whatever it might be. I think that what you'll find is that all there is is a difference of opinion, hardly a matter to feel vexed about. In asking questions I hope you can show there are answers. As I wrote, chapter and verse, otherwise it's best that you keep accusations to a minimum. And anyone (not yourself WWF) who considers gloating a worthy sport, no wonder your views on the business of football are crackling with temper tantrums. It must be difficult to get past the idea that being a supporter gives you an understanding of how a club is run. Much the same as paying to enter a cinema, you may watch a film that promises much, but you're no closer to understanding the dynamics of the movie business than you are football and it's workings.

Yes, I think it's a fair comment to say that NC lost his way, but all water under the bridge now.
 
And in a couple of 'cant wait to tell him a few home truths' paragraphs you've described exactly why you get flak. Please give me chapter and verse where I fall into what you describe as new board/ new owner clapper in the manner you describe? Yes, I've been pro-Clough, I don't have a problem with that. I also don't have a problem dissecting facts, especially my own, and should they prove suspect they deserve to be commented on constructively. You see, this nonsense about being right is childish. All that matters is to be able to learn and move forward.

You seem to want to prove a point, well knock yourself out if you gain some kind of emotional boost from having your point proved, whatever it might be. I think that what you'll find is that all there is is a difference of opinion, hardly a matter to feel vexed about. In asking questions I hope you can show there are answers. As I wrote, chapter and verse, otherwise it's best that you keep accusations to a minimum. And anyone (not yourself WWF) who considers gloating a worthy sport, no wonder your views on the business of football are crackling with temper tantrums. It must be difficult to get past the idea that being a supporter gives you an understanding of how a club is run. Much the same as paying to enter a cinema, you may watch a film that promises much, but you're no closer to understanding the dynamics of the movie business than you are football and it's workings.

Yes, I think it's a fair comment to say that NC lost his way, but all water under the bridge now.


I must have misunderstood your posts above Itsy. I thought you were inviting the Board slashers to show themselves today, it seemed it was from your personal high ground.

BTW I get flak because I write exactly what I believe with no fear of being proved wrong because that is when I learn and improve my knowledge, such as it is.

To be fair until the January transfer window there was very little evidence of game changing investment sure we brought in quite a lot of players but most of them could be classed as average journeymen, crocks with a big question mark over their fitness or youngsters from non league in other words showing all the signs of being cheap. Lets not forget Clough for all his faults brought in a good wedge of cash from the cup runs and we had the monies from the Maguire sale yet the first big signing was not until we paid well over the odds for Brayford in January. Now people might go on about how much was spent to pay up Weir and Clough but the game changing investment was supposed to be invested in the first team not putting the mistakes in managerial appointments right. Yet for all this we have a squad that is threadbare right through it's spine is there any wonder people ask why, strange if it is not a lack of investment from the Prince then surely it must be Clough who was not spending, to be fair he had plenty of time to buy some centre halves, all fucking season is surely enough time in anyone's eyes. Still not so long ago Clough was the man a lot wanted to give more time to, how quickly things change eh.


Clough signed some 25 players and spent plenty of money, not very well that's the point.
 
I must have misunderstood your posts above Itsy. I thought you were inviting the Board slashers to show themselves today, it seemed it was from your personal high ground.

Yes, you must have misunderstood. Instead of focussing on what's being discussed you have to throw in a stupid comment about 'personal high ground'

I did ask for chapter and verse examples of what I'm supposed to have said. I guess these won't be forthcoming, instead you'll have to rely on a selective memory, either that or just keep repeating what I'm meant to have written without specifics to back up what you've written.





Clough signed some 25 players and spent plenty of money, not very well that's the point.
I must have misunderstood your posts above Itsy. I thought you were inviting the Board slashers to show themselves today, it seemed it was from your personal high ground.




Clough signed some 25 players and spent plenty of money, not very well that's the point.
 
On a day such as today, a new manager, almost universal agreement in the appointment of Nigel Adkins, and the thought crossed my mind.......who now recalls those posters who queried the Prince and his commitment to the Blades? I recall such offensive comments as raghead being used to attack the Prince, snide comments about 'game changing investment', and a general barn dance of know-nothing foolishness being aired just because these same posters are fiscally illiterate and clueless to the ways money is spent and invested.

Slowly but surely the Prince has stamped his mark throughout the club. A brand new pitch fit for the present and future, no time wasted in addressing the managerial position twice! And now we have Nigel Adkins steering the good ship SUFC...could the timing of his appointment be any better? Adkins has time to familiarise himself with the club, assess the current squad, bring in players he'll know we need, and ensure that the mighty Blades go from the turgid style of play we'd become used to, to a style of play that excites and succeeds (at least that's the hope).

So, all you miserable nobs (you know who you are) who slaughtered the Prince even before he'd had a chance to make his mark, it's time for some humility and appreciation for what's happening at SUFC.....and all because of the board. UTB!



The one above is the one I read and saw some "personal high ground".
 
The most inane bollocks I've ever read. Truly remarkable

So you will now show me the quality players brought in since the Prince arrived and McCabe made that statement.

Then you will show me the relative league positions we have finished since that date.

Then you will explain the effect those quality players - the Game Changing Investment - has had on our campaign to get Sheffield United into the Championship at the earliest opportunity.

Inane bollocks. Of course it is.

pommpey
 
NC is in the past now.

I can see quite a few fringe players being shown the exit.

We nearly need a new spine in the team.

And can NA try and sort out our goalkeepers? Can he get Howard back to his best form? Get Long back on the road to being a big talent? Or do we need 2 new keepers?
 
NC is in the past now.

I can see quite a few fringe players being shown the exit.

We nearly need a new spine in the team.

And can NA try and sort out our goalkeepers? Can he get Howard back to his best form? Get Long back on the road to being a big talent? Or do we need 2 new keepers?

I don't think we need two keepers. I think both are good enough for what we need this season. An experienced CB and captain is what is required to give whichever keeper the confidence. We have more pressing needs IMO than a keeper
 
I don't think we need two keepers. I think both are good enough for what we need this season. An experienced CB and captain is what is required to give whichever keeper the confidence. We have more pressing needs IMO than a keeper


Agreed. I think the priority is 2 centre backs a playmaker midfielder and a striker.
 
Do we seriously have to descend to bickering on this day of all days. Jim Phipps is on record that Nigel Clough was backed all season and the money was available. He said when we didn't make the automatics that it was too early to judge the team management (because he was hoping we'd get through the play offs). He did say the time judge would be at the end of the season. Clough failed even though the money was available. He wasted the money which is why we have a threadbare squad and is ultimately why he was fired.

Remember we where we were before the Prince came on board. McCabe had run out of money and we were going downhill fast.

The fact that we can celebrate a positive day together today is evidence in itself of the money that is now in the club.

You heard Nigel today, we might have different opinions on how we do it but let's be United and bring success to this club. Exciting times, enjoy them!!
 



So you will now show me the quality players brought in since the Prince arrived and McCabe made that statement.

Then you will show me the relative league positions we have finished since that date.

Then you will explain the effect those quality players - the Game Changing Investment - has had on our campaign to get Sheffield United into the Championship at the earliest opportunity.

Inane bollocks. Of course it is.

pommpey
It's genuinely interesting. The Prince had put in £10m as of April. £2m on a right back last season. Around £1m on other players that season. Paid off David Weir and his team. Hired Nigel Clough and his team (highest paid manager in league one last season). Paid off Nigel Clough and his team. Hired Nigel Adkins, the highest paid Sheffield United manager since Bryan Robson.

Oh.. And last season we finished 5th in league one. The first time since 2008/2009 we've finished higher than the season before. We're moving in the right direction at last even if it was painful at times last season
 

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