What follows after a successful manager leaves?

[HD8 Blades]

My time following United started in the Forth Division 81/82. In that time these have been United’s most successful managers.

Ian Porterfield - Took United from the 4th to the upper half of the second tier. Sacked 1986 ish. 1988 - back in the third.

Bassett - Took United from the third to the first tier where we stayed for four years. After relegation, Kendall, Spackman, Bruce and Heath followed. All of them failed to get promoted and by the time Heath had come and gone we were awful.

Warnock - Like or loath him, we improved year on year and finally won promotion.

Wilder - After Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams, Wilson, Weir, Clough, Adkins we were 11th in League one and a shambles

Nobody sensible is calling for Wilder to be replaced at the moment but the minority have started already. If we take few or no points from Liverpool, City and Chelsea our minority of entitled halfwits grows. Should the worst happen and we find ourselves relegated come the end of the season Stick with Wilder or face a repeat if the above.

 

[Yank]

Regardless of how we finish this season, I believe totally that Wilder is still the best fit for us and will be the one to take us back up if comes to that.

I have said on here before that CW is not infallible by any means.He is too hard headed imo at times, and have been some head scratchers as well.

I can understand why fans are getting frustrated with him and think he doesn't know what he is doing.However, to call for his head is extremely premature and I think for most fans its just an emotional reaction to our start.

He will set us straight I really believe he will.There is no other manager I would want in a scrap(which I think we will be in majority if the season).

 

[1889]

I don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting Wilder should be replaced, certainly not anyone who started going to Bramall Lane earlier than last year.

It’s going to be a difficult season and the performances need to improve, but Chris Wilder has earned the right to continue to guide the club, a thousand times over. Whatever happens, be it relegation or success, if history has taught us anything, it is ‘be careful what you wish for’ believe me, we have seen. there is no better man for the job.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Only people that have never seen us or can’t remember us being totally outclassed / outplayed / thrashed can complain about the current offerings.
For a long time we were whipping boys and now even the best teams in England are happy with a draw or a narrow win.

 

[BrayfordsBushyBeard]

I would stick with Wilder 100% even if we went down as imho I can’t think of a manager who would be better for us . He could quite easily become a victim of his own success with some people and quite quickly it seems ! We are light years ahead both on and off the pitch from where we were a few years ago and I for one think if the worst happens he has earns the right to have a crack at getting us back up . What annoys me is how fickle football fans are and how quickly expectations change and how quickly some people appear to jump ship !
As ever UTB !

 

[Blade56]

I inadvertently caused a sh!tstorm just for asking if fans thought it was time to ask the question. Yes he’s more than earned the right but by his own philosophy he needs to be challenged for his place to improve performance just like a player that’s underperforming.
We’ve all seen our teams down the season that had no plan B or played great first half bad second half. Yesterday was one of those occasions where we could have been three up at halftime and lost 4-3 at full time but we appeared clueless how to get back in the game. For once dodgy decisions and retrospective technology came to our aid.
We can’t expect anything from the next two games so I’m hoping we’ll try something different, we can’t go to pieces because our system doesn’t work without JOC like it did when we lost Coutts. Hopefully we will find a new or different way and start our season against Chelsea, one things for sure I can’t see any points with another repeat performance flogging our usual system.
Wilder had a lightbulb moment when it was going wrong in L1, we need another.

 

[Whiston Blade]

Maybe CW is a Warnock type manager in the fact he's better in the lower leagues than the PL. He's great at picking up bargains and getting the best out of them. But once given money they look out of their depth. There are questions are still to be asked of him and his questionable signings*.

*Not all, Berge is quality and will no doubt go on to bigger things with or without us, I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time and still think we overpaid for Ramsdale.

 

[Blade56]

Maybe CW is a Warnock type manager in the fact he's better in the lower leagues than the PL. He's great at picking up bargains and getting the best out of them. But once given money they look out of their depth. There are questions are still to be asked of him and his questionable signings*.

*Not all, Berge is quality and will no doubt go on to bigger things with or without us, I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time and still think we overpaid for Ramsdale.

In today’s market I think Rammers was about right, as a keeper he’s potentially got 10/15 years in him plus he’s already shown quality and I’m happy we are signing young talent (Lowe and Bogle look exciting) rather than journeymen or grafters. Not sure on Brewster, ironic his big chance to shine will be against Liverpool.

 

[Gimli]

Maybe CW is a Warnock type manager in the fact he's better in the lower leagues than the PL. He's great at picking up bargains and getting the best out of them. But once given money they look out of their depth. There are questions are still to be asked of him and his questionable signings*.

*Not all, Berge is quality and will no doubt go on to bigger things with or without us, I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time and still think we overpaid for Ramsdale.

Yeah maybe, in his one season as a Premier League Manager he guided a side tipped by almost everyone for certain relegation to a 9th placed finish.

Out of his depth at PL level...

 

[Rollerball]

A lot on here and elsewhere are saying "should we stick with CW. If relegated should we try a different manager etc etc "
No one seems to believe that if relegated CW may decide for whatever reason, maybe fed up of criticism since first 5 games, or lack of backing by the board.
Imho I think him leaving on his own terms is more likely than him being fired.
I just hope he's thick skinned enough to ignore the calls already for a change in tactics, personnel or coaching/manager.

 

[Whiston Blade]

A lot on here and elsewhere are saying "should we stick with CW. If relegated should we try a different manager etc etc "
No one seems to believe that if relegated CW may decide for whatever reason, maybe fed up of criticism since first 5 games, or lack of backing by the board.
Imho I think him leaving on his own terms is more likely than him being fired.
I just hope he's thick skinned enough to ignore the calls already for a change in tactics, personnel or coaching/manager.

Lack of backing? By the sounds of things he's had more than he was originally getting so if we do go down and he's saying it's because he needed x, y or z player then he's only got himself to blame.

 

[bongleblade]

Yeah maybe, in his one season as a Premier League Manager he guided a side tipped by almost everyone for certain relegation to a 9th placed finish.

Out of his depth at PL level...

i mean that was some selective quoting there... i think the poster you quoted was saying CW might be out of his depth when it comes to spending money at this level... and to be fair the only relatively successful signing last season who fully integrated into the 1st team side was Mousset, McB did OK too but he looked more like a 10m signing rather than 20m.

All credit to the L1/Championship lads for making that so btw... theyve been that good that new signings have found real difficulty unhingeing them for a starting spot!

 

[S64 Blade]

We should definitely look to keep him, if the inevitable happens - assuming that we don't get relegated due him totally losing the plot; which seems unlikely.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

My time following United started in the Forth Division 81/82. In that time these have been United’s most successful managers.

Ian Porterfield - Took United from the 4th to the upper half of the second tier. Sacked 1986 ish. 1988 - back in the third.

Bassett - Took United from the third to the first tier where we stayed for four years. After relegation, Kendall, Spackman, Bruce and Heath followed. All of them failed to get promoted and by the time Heath had come and gone we were awful.

Warnock - Like or loath him, we improved year on year and finally won promotion.

Wilder - After Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams, Wilson, Weir, Clough, Adkins we were 11th in League one and a shambles

Nobody sensible is calling for Wilder to be replaced at the moment but the minority have started already. If we take few or no points from Liverpool, City and Chelsea our minority of entitled halfwits grows. Should the worst happen and we find ourselves relegated come the end of the season Stick with Wilder or face a repeat if the above.

I think that lumping Clough and Wilson in with Adams and Adkins is very harsh

 

[Snowflake]

I don’t think that some on this forum grasp how far out of place we are in this league.
We don’t have vast sums of money and quite rightly we are not over mortgaging our future by spending ridiculous sums.
However we did compete last year and I think, despite the key players lost, we still have enough to come above 18th.
Maybe Burke and Brewster will score the goals needed, given that at present we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league !

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I don’t think that some on this forum grasp how far out of place we are in this league.
We don’t have vast sums of money and quite rightly we are not over mortgaging our future by spending ridiculous sums.
However we did compete last year and I think, despite the key players lost, we still have enough to come above 18th.
Maybe Burke and Brewster will score the goals needed, given that at present we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league !

Spent 100 million quid in 18 months

 

[originaltrueblade]

FFS Wilder is the best manager we have had in ages...we will finish mid table or thereabouts we will prevail. Some fickle twats on here. As the season progresses I’m preparing the humble pie and I will stuff it right down their throats.

 

[HD8 Blades]

I think that lumping Clough and Wilson in with Adams and Adkins is very harsh

I take your point but they do fall into the fail category. Some failed worse than others

 

[Speedracer]

Lack of backing? By the sounds of things he's had more than he was originally getting so if we do go down and he's saying it's because he needed x, y or z player then he's only got himself to blame.

Last season has given some fans a false perspective on who & where we are as a club. We hugely over performed if you look at where the majority of our players came from, & of the lads we bought in £20m per player does not buy you an established quality Premier League performer, merely potential. Wilder may have been given more money than any manager in our history, but we all know that compared to virtually every other club in this league we are asking players we would like to come here to accept lower wages than our rivals can offer. Until such time as that changes then every season we spend in the top flight we are over achieving by finishing 17th or better, that is the brutal truth.

 

[Snowflake]

Spent 100 million quid in 18 months

True, but when you compare that to other clubs and in particular the wages they pay, then we are still a long way behind.
That does not mean we cannot compete on the pitch, but it is more difficult.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Maybe CW is a Warnock type manager in the fact he's better in the lower leagues than the PL. He's great at picking up bargains and getting the best out of them. But once given money they look out of their depth. There are questions are still to be asked of him and his questionable signings*.

*Not all, Berge is quality and will no doubt go on to bigger things with or without us, I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time and still think we overpaid for Ramsdale.

Undecided about Brewster ,the lad has had 20 minutes ,im out of here

 

[Whiston Blade]

Undecided about Brewster ,the lad has had 20 minutes ,im out of here

Failed to read the bit where I put: "I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time" did ya..?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Failed to read the bit where I put: "I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time" did ya..?

A player needs 10 to 20 games as in sander berge to bed in learn the club and it's tactics before he will show his worth .when has he had long enough before your decided ?

 

[Whiston Blade]

A player needs 10 to 20 games as in sander berge to bed in learn the club and it's tactics before he will show his worth .when has he had long enough before your decided ?

January.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Failed to read the bit where I put: "I'm still undecided on Brewster given he's had very little time" did ya..?

Yeah, but talk about stating the fuckin’ obvious...

 

[finlaytheblade]

I inadvertently caused a sh!tstorm just for asking if fans thought it was time to ask the question. Yes he’s more than earned the right but by his own philosophy he needs to be challenged for his place to improve performance just like a player that’s underperforming.
We’ve all seen our teams down the season that had no plan B or played great first half bad second half. Yesterday was one of those occasions where we could have been three up at halftime and lost 4-3 at full time but we appeared clueless how to get back in the game. For once dodgy decisions and retrospective technology came to our aid.
We can’t expect anything from the next two games so I’m hoping we’ll try something different, we can’t go to pieces because our system doesn’t work without JOC like it did when we lost Coutts. Hopefully we will find a new or different way and start our season against Chelsea, one things for sure I can’t see any points with another repeat performance flogging our usual system.
Wilder had a lightbulb moment when it was going wrong in L1, we need another.

Agree with a lot of that blade56 but we havnt lost the next two yet,we surely wont roll over without a fight.Wilder wouldnt accept that .

 

[guancheblade]

My time following United started in the Forth Division 81/82. In that time these have been United’s most successful managers.

Ian Porterfield - Took United from the 4th to the upper half of the second tier. Sacked 1986 ish. 1988 - back in the third.

Bassett - Took United from the third to the first tier where we stayed for four years. After relegation, Kendall, Spackman, Bruce and Heath followed. All of them failed to get promoted and by the time Heath had come and gone we were awful.

Warnock - Like or loath him, we improved year on year and finally won promotion.

Wilder - After Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams, Wilson, Weir, Clough, Adkins we were 11th in League one and a shambles

Nobody sensible is calling for Wilder to be replaced at the moment but the minority have started already. If we take few or no points from Liverpool, City and Chelsea our minority of entitled halfwits grows. Should the worst happen and we find ourselves relegated come the end of the season Stick with Wilder or face a repeat if the above.

Spackman didn't fail to get us promoted, that were Steve Thompson

 

[Ridgeway Blade]

Any talk of Wider leaving is just incredible. Since the resumption after lockdown we have been hit by a series on unfortunmate set of circumstances whether by decsions on the field or injuries. Obviously, the loss of players like JOC and Fleck and to a lesser degree Mousset have neen major hits to the squad. Now we have Lowe unavailable next week and Fleck out for 4-6 weeks. Not sure about Burke's injury. The deputies have all done ok but JOC especially is such a force that his loss is missed as much for attacking as his defence where Robinson has been pretty solid. Remember we have let in just 7 goals and as at 2.20 pm today only two clubs have conceded less, that being Arsenal and Villa at 6 goals conceded so it is not all bad news. Wilder is trying to get the new players trained into our method of playing so hopefully Bogle and Brewster will get up to speed. Lowe has obviously made a good impression so far.

 

[kevreedy]

We have been very lucky no bad injuries in the past few seasons. this season one or two bad injuries. I put this down to hardly any close season or pre-season.
Thanks to the covid pandemic.some of our players are unfit leading to loss of form. Chris Wilder has done wonders for us and will continue to do so.
He is one of our own.thinks like us because he is a 100% blade. IN WILDER WE TRUST.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Is this the answer to the thread question?