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Isaw Joeshaw said:
I get the impression you think my post was directed at you personally. I can assure you it was not, nor was it directed at any individual who has posted on this topic.

Rather, it was a general observation on the climate which has evolved in recent times in which some people almost feel it is their duty to be offended by light hearted comments, made with absolutely no malice intended, on a whole range of 'isms', which seem to be growing by the day
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Absolutely didn't think it was directed at me personally. And as I say, I am in general agreement with you point that people are over-sensitive. Just that I understand women who are offended by something that men wouldn't be offended at if it was the other way around. That was what I was saying.
 



Hamburg Blade said:
Absolutely didn't think it was directed at me personally. And as I say, I am in general agreement with you point that people are over-sensitive. Just that I understand women who are offended by something that men wouldn't be offended at if it was the other way around. That was what I was saying.
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Weird thing is I keep getting told that being offended is some new thing but I grew up in the era of Mary Whitehouse, when people wanted to ban Tom and Jerry and went fucking apeshit over Life of Brian (whilst happily showing TV programmes that used words like 'nig-nog').
 
BushBlade said:
Weird thing is I keep getting told that being offended is some new thing but I grew up in the era of Mary Whitehouse, when people wanted to ban Tom and Jerry and went fucking apeshit over Life of Brian (whilst happily showing TV programmes that used words like 'nig-nog').
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What's wrong with nig-nog? KIDDING! JUST KIDDING!!
I think your point is the nub of it. On this sort of thing we've got to a pretty good place. The stuff that shouldn't be said is immediately recognised as wrong, yet there is a reaction to the slightest thing that is out of proportion - perhaps it's because there's so little of it about? I don't know. If sexism didn't exist at all, Kieth's joke would be just that, a joke, harking back to times past. But the reaction to the joke doesn't suggest "we've not quite erradicated sexism", it suggests "sexism is rife and we have to stamp out any sign of it, even in a joke".
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I think some folks seem hell bent on finding anything to be offended about. To me, it's all about the intent. If it's meant seriously then it shows real ignorance and lack of appreciation for the opposite sex and can be offensive.

Some women at work were having a laugh the other day - they asked, "What's that useless piece of skin on the end of a knob called?" I answered, "Foreskin?" and they said, "No, a man!". I took it as a joke and found it funny. I didn't feel the need to act offended or report it to HR and bring a case against them. That's because I don't think for one moment that they actually do think all men are useless - in the same way that I don't think for one moment Edwards thinks that all women should be home cooking tea.

For heaven's sake, society needs to lighten up a bit! I grew up in an era where it was commonly the woman's role to be home being a wife and mother, doing the domestic chores and raising a family. There was nothing wrong with that at all, just like there's nothing wrong with women who want to pursue a career. It's down to circumstances and personal choice.

It's a sad day when we can't poke a bit of fun at each other without it being taken the wrong way.
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Where do you work, The Embassy Club Manchester?
 
BushBlade said:
Weird thing is I keep getting told that being offended is some new thing but I grew up in the era of Mary Whitehouse, when people wanted to ban Tom and Jerry and went fucking apeshit over Life of Brian (whilst happily showing TV programmes that used words like 'nig-nog').
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"People" didn't.
She and a few crazed acolytes did.
She had zero credibility with real "people":)
 
BushBlade said:
Weird thing is I keep getting told that being offended is some new thing but I grew up in the era of Mary Whitehouse, when people wanted to ban Tom and Jerry and went fucking apeshit over Life of Brian (whilst happily showing TV programmes that used words like 'nig-nog').
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I wanted Tom and Jerry banned because of the fucking mouse. Poor Tom was only trying to do his job. And as for that Butch and his nephew.....
 
Sean Thornton said:
I wanted Tom and Jerry banned because of the fucking mouse. Poor Tom was only trying to do his job. And as for that Butch and his nephew.....
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or Spike and his son

TomAndJerryHic-cupPup.jpg
 
Geordie Blade said:
1. Just because 'no malice was intended' doesn't mean that something isn't offensive.
2. 'People feel it is their duty to be offended'. Somebody pointing out that something is offensive doesn't mean that they are offended by it. They might well feel a duty to point out that it is offensive in the same way that you might feel it's your duty to report another occurrence that you deem to be a genuine problem for society. That seems fair enough to me.
3. Saying that there are more 'isms' misses the point. It doesn't matter how many separate 'isms' there are - the point is that making generalisations about people is unhelpful, no matter what it is based on. I'm sure that there are many generalising statements that cause problems that don't have 'ism' names yet, but it doesn't mean they're not a problem.
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So presumably, had it been Tango who invaded the pitch and made what appeared to be threatening movements towards Carlos, and Keith had said something on the lines off ". That lad looks as if he should be down the pub rather than here, he needs a few more pints in that belly ", then anyone who was even mildly amused should be accused of ' Fat Bastardism '

There's a new one for you to be going on with. - I'm sure you can think of a few more.
 
It was a stupid comment to make on broadcast radio.

Not the worst thing in the world, but clearly sexist, a bit twattish, not needed/called for and worthy of a slap on the wrist and an apology.

Little story for you all. My daughter is 7. She is very sporty and also very girly - into Athletics, my little pony, disney princesses and football and cricket. At a play centre about 6 months ago she went to play football with some boys her age when she came back crying because one of the boys wouldn't let her play and told her 'girls don't play football go and play with girls'.

She's 7 and having to deal with boys who think that a female's place isn't playing sport. Where do you think they pick ideas like that up at 7? It isn't an isolated incident either. Nothing major and lot's of minor little things but compared to the reaction my son gets when playing sport it is quite marked.

Yes a comment like Keith's is harmless in a group of friends, harmless as a jokey comment on here and harmless even from a comedian for mild shock value. I'm down with that so it isn't about being easily offended - it's about context.

While outdated attitudes exist (and they do) that football is not a girl thing or that women in or at football are 'fair game' for banter because of their sex, then absolutely it is unacceptable to make such comments that perpetuate this when you are involved in the game (and certainly on broadcast or print media). What if my girl had heard say, Robbie Savage say that on the way home from the play centre? How do you think that would make her feel?

So forgive me if you thing I'm a young easily offended 'snow flake' - but for all the reasons given, the fact that dinosaurs on here are so up in arms trying to defend the indefensible is in a way a lot worse than the bloody comments themselves. Stop being dicks.

As for Keith - apologise, move on, don't be a dick again. Sorted.
 



INTAKE BLADE said:
Anyone remember Girl power being rammed down our throats 24/7. Girl power :rolleyes:
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People have always been offended by things, but society has forced us to change the stuff we see as offensive. Twenty years ago, some of us would have been offended by gay pride. I think sexual preference should be a free choice, but as a straight man I find the idea of blokes snogging in public and wearing skimpy spandex a bit distasteful. But I can't say that otherwise I'd be "homophobic". You can't insult a non-white person without running the risk of being called a racist, even though you aren't. Older people "cause offence" and are accused of racism simply by using words that they were told were the correct PC term when they were younger, but has fallen out of fashion now, like "coloured" or "disabled". I was yelled at and called a bigot at a social gathering recently, simply for asking a lesbian, sorry gay woman, if she fancied trying it with a bloke for a change.

There are some stereotypes that are acceptable to use, and some that aren't. You can still take the piss out of the "smelly" French, the "sweaty" Scottish or the "humourless" Germans without causing offence. You can chant "you fat bastard" at a football ground. But try taking the piss out of the "thick" Irish or the "stingy" Jews and see how far you get.
 
Dkc said:
People have always been offended by things, but society has forced us to change the stuff we see as offensive. Twenty years ago, some of us would have been offended by gay pride. I think sexual preference should be a free choice, but as a straight man I find the idea of blokes snogging in public and wearing skimpy spandex a bit distasteful. But I can't say that otherwise I'd be "homophobic". You can't insult a non-white person without running the risk of being called a racist, even though you aren't. Older people "cause offence" and are accused of racism simply by using words that they were told were the correct PC term when they were younger, but has fallen out of fashion now, like "coloured" or "disabled". I was yelled at and called a bigot at a social gathering recently, simply for asking a lesbian, sorry gay woman, if she fancied trying it with a bloke for a change.

There are some stereotypes that are acceptable to use, and some that aren't. You can still take the piss out of the "smelly" French, the "sweaty" Scottish or the "humourless" Germans without causing offence. You can chant "you fat bastard" at a football ground. But try taking the piss out of the "thick" Irish or the "stingy" Jews and see how far you get.
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Can't you see why your comment at the gathering could be considered offensive by a gay woman?
 
cjx blade said:
Well I should have known better really but I never thought today I would wake up and get to see two grown men argue about Tom and Jerry on a Sheffield United forum. :)
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To me, the original Tom and Jerry cartoons are timeless (the original 1940's ones). About a decade ago, I took the family to Brazil on holiday. One day we had a tropical storm, so stayed in the hotel room, found a channel showing old back-to-back Tom and Jerry, we were all killing ourselves laughing. Same thing happened a few years earlier at home, Sunday afternoon, raining, skimming through channels, found a channel showing old Laurel and Hardy, the kids started moaning "oh, not black and white stuff", I said just watch for a few minutes and see if you like it. It was the one delivering the Piano, and they ended up howling with laughter.

Good stuff is just good stuff.

For the record, I loved Top Cat and the Flintstones as well!, both had subtle jokes and references that adults would get.
 
Dkc said:
People have always been offended by things, but society has forced us to change the stuff we see as offensive. Twenty years ago, some of us would have been offended by gay pride. I think sexual preference should be a free choice, but as a straight man I find the idea of blokes snogging in public and wearing skimpy spandex a bit distasteful. But I can't say that otherwise I'd be "homophobic". You can't insult a non-white person without running the risk of being called a racist, even though you aren't. Older people "cause offence" and are accused of racism simply by using words that they were told were the correct PC term when they were younger, but has fallen out of fashion now, like "coloured" or "disabled". I was yelled at and called a bigot at a social gathering recently, simply for asking a lesbian, sorry gay woman, if she fancied trying it with a bloke for a change.

There are some stereotypes that are acceptable to use, and some that aren't. You can still take the piss out of the "smelly" French, the "sweaty" Scottish or the "humourless" Germans without causing offence. You can chant "you fat bastard" at a football ground. But try taking the piss out of the "thick" Irish or the "stingy" Jews and see how far you get.
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Good job it wasnt like that in the 1960's and 70's or we would never have had Carry On films!

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The irony in all this nonsense is, I've seen young lads arrested and prosecuted for jumping over the barrier to celebrate a goal and receive banning orders as a result.

What the female Wednesday supporter did was exactly the same offence, but exacerbated by the fact she was angrily approaching the team manager. Imagine if a bloke, with similar aggressive intent had done that? He'd have been rugby tackled, arrested and received a lengthy banning order.

If you want a clear illustration of sexism love, look no further ;)
 
Grappler said:
To me, the original Tom and Jerry cartoons are timeless (the original 1940's ones). About a decade ago, I took the family to Brazil on holiday. One day we had a tropical storm, so stayed in the hotel room, found a channel showing old back-to-back Tom and Jerry, we were all killing ourselves laughing. Same thing happened a few years earlier at home, Sunday afternoon, raining, skimming through channels, found a channel showing old Laurel and Hardy, the kids started moaning "oh, not black and white stuff", I said just watch for a few minutes and see if you like it. It was the one delivering the Piano, and they ended up howling with laughter.

Good stuff is just good stuff.

For the record, I loved Top Cat and the Flintstones as well!, both had subtle jokes and references that adults would get.
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The Flintstones was apparently the first 'adult cartoon' and show at prime time rather than in the kids' slot.
 



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