West Ham and Tevez, also culpable.

[wizadry]

Its you who is slagging people off ,I loved John Harris btw ,but while you are banging on about achievements can you tell me his ?

He left Chelsea in April 1956 to become player-manager of Chester City before retiring to concentrate on management. He took over from Joe Mercer as manager ofSheffield United on 20 April 1959 and finished the season third, seven points behind second placed Fulham. His first full season finished in fourth place. Harris was a quiet dignified man and, moulded his players into a highly efficient team without fuss, always shunning the limelight. To him, the team was more important than the manager. This attitude produced a harmonious dressing room and, as a result, effective and attractive performances on the field of play.[1]

Finally in 1961, his Sheffield United team won promotion from the Second Division as runners-up to Ipswich Town, mainly due to his purchase of Welsh international winger Len Allchurch for £12,500 from Swansea. Under Harris, United enjoyed numerous runs in the FA Cup (reaching the semi-finals in 1961 for the first time since 1936) and the League Cup. Despite financial problems, he led United to fifth place in the first season back in the top division, and over the next few years relied on a steady flow of youngsters graduating from the Northern Intermediate league team to replace players sold to remain in profit. After years of mid-table finishes, he was "promoted" to general manager in August 1968 after the team had been relegated the previous season, replaced by Arthur Rowley. However, Rowley was sacked within a year and Harris returned as manager in August 1969.

In the ensuing years, he made astute and highly effective signings with players such as Tony Currie, Alan Woodward, Len Badger, Geoff Salmons, Eddie Colquhoun, Bill Dearden and Gil Reece all signing for the Blades, and resulted in Sheffield United winning promotion from the Second Division in 1970–71. Harris understood the principle of getting the right man for the job and, this was typified by his signing ofTrevor Hockey to boost United's promotion challenge in 1971.

Sheffield United started the 1971–72 season in great form and, under the guidance of Harris they stayed top of the First Division with an unbeaten run of eleven games from the start of the season. Harris resigned in December 1973 to become the club's Senior Executive. In June 1977 he finally left United and was soon acting as scout forSheffield Wednesday. He later became a lay preacher. He died in 1988, aged 71, in Sheffield.


I'm too young to remember John Harris,but i'll tell you what,if this is anything to go by,i missed out on seeing a very decent bloke,and above all,a very good manager for us.Dare i say it,alot better than Warnock.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

He left Chelsea in April 1956 to become player-manager of Chester City before retiring to concentrate on management. He took over from Joe Mercer as manager ofSheffield United on 20 April 1959 and finished the season third, seven points behind second placed Fulham. His first full season finished in fourth place. Harris was a quiet dignified man and, moulded his players into a highly efficient team without fuss, always shunning the limelight. To him, the team was more important than the manager. This attitude produced a harmonious dressing room and, as a result, effective and attractive performances on the field of play.[1]

Finally in 1961, his Sheffield United team won promotion from the Second Division as runners-up to Ipswich Town, mainly due to his purchase of Welsh international winger Len Allchurch for £12,500 from Swansea. Under Harris, United enjoyed numerous runs in the FA Cup (reaching the semi-finals in 1961 for the first time since 1936) and the League Cup. Despite financial problems, he led United to fifth place in the first season back in the top division, and over the next few years relied on a steady flow of youngsters graduating from the Northern Intermediate league team to replace players sold to remain in profit. After years of mid-table finishes, he was "promoted" to general manager in August 1968 after the team had been relegated the previous season, replaced by Arthur Rowley. However, Rowley was sacked within a year and Harris returned as manager in August 1969.

In the ensuing years, he made astute and highly effective signings with players such as Tony Currie, Alan Woodward, Len Badger, Geoff Salmons, Eddie Colquhoun, Bill Dearden and Gil Reece all signing for the Blades, and resulted in Sheffield United winning promotion from the Second Division in 1970–71. Harris understood the principle of getting the right man for the job and, this was typified by his signing ofTrevor Hockey to boost United's promotion challenge in 1971.

Sheffield United started the 1971–72 season in great form and, under the guidance of Harris they stayed top of the First Division with an unbeaten run of eleven games from the start of the season. Harris resigned in December 1973 to become the club's Senior Executive. In June 1977 he finally left United and was soon acting as scout forSheffield Wednesday. He later became a lay preacher. He died in 1988, aged 71, in Sheffield.


I'm too young to remember John Harris,but i'll tell you what,if this is anything to go by,i missed out on seeing a very decent bloke,and above all,a very good manager for us.Dare i say it,alot better than Warnock.

Yes, but achievement wise it looks very similar, and Warnock did it all with a bigger nose.

 

[Silent Blade]

He left Chelsea in April 1956 to become player-manager of Chester City before retiring to concentrate on management. He took over from Joe Mercer as manager ofSheffield United on 20 April 1959 and finished the season third, seven points behind second placed Fulham. His first full season finished in fourth place. Harris was a quiet dignified man and, moulded his players into a highly efficient team without fuss, always shunning the limelight. To him, the team was more important than the manager. This attitude produced a harmonious dressing room and, as a result, effective and attractive performances on the field of play.[1]

Finally in 1961, his Sheffield United team won promotion from the Second Division as runners-up to Ipswich Town, mainly due to his purchase of Welsh international winger Len Allchurch for £12,500 from Swansea. Under Harris, United enjoyed numerous runs in the FA Cup (reaching the semi-finals in 1961 for the first time since 1936) and the League Cup. Despite financial problems, he led United to fifth place in the first season back in the top division, and over the next few years relied on a steady flow of youngsters graduating from the Northern Intermediate league team to replace players sold to remain in profit. After years of mid-table finishes, he was "promoted" to general manager in August 1968 after the team had been relegated the previous season, replaced by Arthur Rowley. However, Rowley was sacked within a year and Harris returned as manager in August 1969.

In the ensuing years, he made astute and highly effective signings with players such as Tony Currie, Alan Woodward, Len Badger, Geoff Salmons, Eddie Colquhoun, Bill Dearden and Gil Reece all signing for the Blades, and resulted in Sheffield United winning promotion from the Second Division in 1970–71. Harris understood the principle of getting the right man for the job and, this was typified by his signing ofTrevor Hockey to boost United's promotion challenge in 1971.

Sheffield United started the 1971–72 season in great form and, under the guidance of Harris they stayed top of the First Division with an unbeaten run of eleven games from the start of the season. Harris resigned in December 1973 to become the club's Senior Executive. In June 1977 he finally left United and was soon acting as scout forSheffield Wednesday. He later became a lay preacher. He died in 1988, aged 71, in Sheffield.


I'm too young to remember John Harris,but i'll tell you what,if this is anything to go by,i missed out on seeing a very decent bloke,and above all,a very good manager for us.Dare i say it,alot better than Warnock.

In Harris' 13 and half seasons with us, 9 and half were in the top division
In Warnock's 7 and half seasons with us only one was in the top division
No comparison
No self pitying by Harris about not being offered a contact he hoped for especially before a very important match

 

[wizadry]

In Harris' 13 and half seasons with us, 9 and half were in the top division
In Warnock's 7 and half seasons with us only one was in the top division
No comparison
No self pitying by Harris about not being offered a contact he hoped for especially before a very important match

I have read up on him,and yes,he seemed a gentleman,am i right in saying so?

 

[Silent Blade]

I have read up on him,and yes,he seemed a gentleman,am i right in saying so?

Yes, he didnt swear. He would say "blooping" when he felt like swearing!

 

[wizadry]

Yes, he didnt swear. He would say "blooping" when he felt like swearing!

Unlike me thenI can't keep it all in.

On a side note.As i don't sit on the south stand behind the dugout,can anyone tell me if our nige has many problems in that department?

 

[LSF]

He left Chelsea in April 1956 to become player-manager of Chester City before retiring to concentrate on management. He took over from Joe Mercer as manager ofSheffield United on 20 April 1959 and finished the season third, seven points behind second placed Fulham. His first full season finished in fourth place. Harris was a quiet dignified man and, moulded his players into a highly efficient team without fuss, always shunning the limelight. To him, the team was more important than the manager. This attitude produced a harmonious dressing room and, as a result, effective and attractive performances on the field of play.[1]

Finally in 1961, his Sheffield United team won promotion from the Second Division as runners-up to Ipswich Town, mainly due to his purchase of Welsh international winger Len Allchurch for £12,500 from Swansea. Under Harris, United enjoyed numerous runs in the FA Cup (reaching the semi-finals in 1961 for the first time since 1936) and the League Cup. Despite financial problems, he led United to fifth place in the first season back in the top division, and over the next few years relied on a steady flow of youngsters graduating from the Northern Intermediate league team to replace players sold to remain in profit. After years of mid-table finishes, he was "promoted" to general manager in August 1968 after the team had been relegated the previous season, replaced by Arthur Rowley. However, Rowley was sacked within a year and Harris returned as manager in August 1969.

In the ensuing years, he made astute and highly effective signings with players such as Tony Currie, Alan Woodward, Len Badger, Geoff Salmons, Eddie Colquhoun, Bill Dearden and Gil Reece all signing for the Blades, and resulted in Sheffield United winning promotion from the Second Division in 1970–71. Harris understood the principle of getting the right man for the job and, this was typified by his signing ofTrevor Hockey to boost United's promotion challenge in 1971.

Sheffield United started the 1971–72 season in great form and, under the guidance of Harris they stayed top of the First Division with an unbeaten run of eleven games from the start of the season. Harris resigned in December 1973 to become the club's Senior Executive. In June 1977 he finally left United and was soon acting as scout forSheffield Wednesday. He later became a lay preacher. He died in 1988, aged 71, in Sheffield.


I'm too young to remember John Harris,but i'll tell you what,if this is anything to go by,i missed out on seeing a very decent bloke,and above all,a very good manager for us.Dare i say it,alot better than Warnock.

Ive lived through both John Harris and Neil Warnock's time with us and both have much to commend them.
John was a true gent who I met on several occasions and built a couple of decent teams on shoestring budgets, he was detached from the players to a certain extent and relied on Archie Clarke to find him gems and John Short to polish those gems.
Warnock was a polar opposite in character to Harris, never met him but came across him in local Sunday football in his early managerial days, his ego was there on show even then.
However, just because one blokes a gent and the other comes across as an egoistical arse, we should celebrate their contributions to Sheffield United as significant in our pretty piss poor last 60 years.

 

[wizadry]

Ive lived through both John Harris and Neil Warnock's time with us and both have much to commend them.
John was a true gent who I met on several occasions and built a couple of decent teams on shoestring budgets, he was detached from the players to a certain extent and relied on Archie Clarke to find him gems and John Short to polish those gems.
Warnock was a polar opposite in character to Harris, never met him but came across him in local Sunday football in his early managerial days, his ego was there on show even then.
However, just because one blokes a gent and the other comes across as an egoistical arse, we should celebrate their contributions to Sheffield United as significant in our pretty piss poor last 60 years.

Thanks for that LSF ,i was just answering the post and i think all the evidence is there for all to see tbh.

 

[LSF]

Thanks for that LSF ,i was just answering the post and i think all the evidence is there for all to see tbh.

The evidence suggests they both had their merits.

 

[wizadry]

The evidence suggests they both had their merits.

Fair do's pal.

 

[sitwell]

I agree with almost everything said ,and I think both achieved great things ,the point was our friend saying Warnock had achieved nothing as we had no trophies ,yet giving Harris all the plaudits when he did in fact achieve the same amount of 'achievements' in his mind.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Ive lived through both John Harris and Neil Warnock's time with us and both have much to commend them.
John was a true gent who I met on several occasions and built a couple of decent teams on shoestring budgets, he was detached from the players to a certain extent and relied on Archie Clarke to find him gems and John Short to polish those gems.
Warnock was a polar opposite in character to Harris, never met him but came across him in local Sunday football in his early managerial days, his ego was there on show even then.
However, just because one blokes a gent and the other comes across as an egoistical arse, we should celebrate their contributions to Sheffield United as significant in our pretty piss poor last 60 years.

Warnock can't have been that far from John Harris; I mean, everyone knows Neil goes to church - it was on that documentary.

 

[LSF]

Warnock can't have been that far from John Harris; I mean, everyone knows Neil goes to church - it was on that documentary.

St. Neil's?

 

[Zanzibar]

I agree with almost everything said ,and I think both achieved great things ,the point was our friend saying Warnock had achieved nothing as we had no trophies ,yet giving Harris all the plaudits when he did in fact achieve the same amount of 'achievements' in his mind.

Nobody mentioned trophies.
This club is singularly short on them whoever the manager was.
John Harris 'enjoyed' more time in the top division.

 

[oldblade]

Nobody mentioned trophies.
This club is singularly short on them whoever the manager was.
John Harris 'enjoyed' more time in the top division.

Sorry, enjoyment doesn't count because it's not one of "those things which enter the archives as solid goals won"

Regardless of what people think of Warnock I think you'll find most people regard Harris as our best manager in living memory. However, it is possible to think well of Harris and also to think that Warnock did actually achieve a few things too.

I think it's a simple case of people who belittle Warnock's achievements being unable to see past their personal dislike of him.

 

[Zanzibar]

Sorry, enjoyment doesn't count because it's not one of "those things which enter the archives as solid goals won"

Regardless of what people think of Warnock I think you'll find most people regard Harris as our best manager in living memory. However, it is possible to think well of Harris and also to think that Warnock did actually achieve a few things too.

I think it's a simple case of people who belittle Warnock's achievements being unable to see past their personal dislike of him.

I guess I'm guilty, then

 

[judge]

I guess I'm guilty, then

Thats what it all comes down to really

 

[wizadry]

Sorry, enjoyment doesn't count because it's not one of "those things which enter the archives as solid goals won"

Regardless of what people think of Warnock I think you'll find most people regard Harris as our best manager in living memory. However, it is possible to think well of Harris and also to think that Warnock did actually achieve a few things too.

I think it's a simple case of people who belittle Warnock's achievements being unable to see past their personal dislike of him.

As much as i don't like Warnock,i have to agree with the post as regards him giving us some fine moments,and no oldblade ,it ain't charity weak