Were we right to get rid of Warnock?

[Linz]

Thought this might be an interesting one, particularly with today's match.

Warnock wasn't everyone's cup of tea and, as in the case with Blackwell, some of the stuff said about him online bordered on the abusive towards the end of his reign.

But since he went, the club has arguably, remained static. More money has been spent and achieved nothing and two managers have come in and left under dark clouds.

So, for all those who were so keen for Warnock to leave, do you now question your vitriol in hindsight?

Or do you stand by your proclamations of "anyone but Warnock"?

Just curious

 

[Rattly Noise]

Bloke who sits near me hated Blackwell AND Warnock equally. Oh and Robson and probably every manager we've ever had. Still comes to every game though. Think we should give him the job as he clearly knows lots about the game and could get everyone playing like world beaters. Well to listen to him you'd think so.

 

[Bladesman]

Nope Warnock has had his time the best part of decade and I wouldnt want him back.

 

[Linz]

Nope Warnock has had his time the best part of decade and I wouldnt want him back.

That wasn't the question... the question was, were we right to get rid of him when we did?

 

[Wards]

oh god not this one again

It was right to get rid of Warnock at the time and we all knew it, didn't we?. I think the final 10 games or so showed his limitations as a manager at the sharp end and we needed that fresh approach.

 

[Linz]

oh god not this one again

Sorry

But I do know a lot of people said "anyone but Warnock"... we've now had two anybodies and face being in the bottom three tomorrow.

Personally, I do think it was right that Warnock went when he did but that the appointments since were rushed and made for perhaps the wrong reasons.

I guess what I'm saying is that all those who are pointing at the bigger picture, should perhaps consider it with more caution

 

[Pollingtonblade]

ok as no one responded to my post earlier ill ask it on this thread.

Will we interview candidates and appoint the right one?

Or

Appoint the cheapest available option?

 

[JohnDenver]

Personally, I do think it was right that Warnock went when he did but that the appointments since were rushed and made for perhaps the wrong reasons.

I guess what I'm saying is that all those who are pointing at the bigger picture, should perhaps consider it with more caution

I'm not sure the initial question is entirely fair. We didn't really have chance to take stock after relegation and consider Warnock's position. There was momentum behind his leaving before the final whistle went against Wigan.

But without knowing what the ITKers hint at with regard to Warnock, I'd certainly not say "anyone but...".

 

[Linz]

ok as no one responded to my post earlier ill ask it on this thread.

Will we interview candidates and appoint the right one?

Or

Appoint the cheapest available option?

Not a question that anyone on here can answer I fear... I would hope for the former but have to say I expect the latter.

Which is why I'm not exactly cracking open the champers.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Speed then?

 

[londonerblade]

no...warnock would have got us back up with that squad and some money to spend at the first attempt...only jags and CKR would have gone....... he is a good championship manager with abit of money...

 

[Eckingtonian]

Warnock was unable to get a team to get the one point needed against a poor Wigan side that would have kept us up.So in answer to your question yes it was time for Warnock to leave he'd had is time.

 

[cooperblade]

I count myself amongst his biggest fans but on the day he went, with all the emotion of the time, I thought it was the right decision.

With hindsight, it was an awful decision. He had the necessary strength of character and charisma to drag us back to our feet. We had the players when we came down, I strongly believe that. It was just that McCabe, Robinson, whoever decided the best course of action was to throw money at ageing has-beens and neverwasbeens. We still haven't recovered

 

[cooperblade]

Warnock was unable to get a team to get the one point needed against a poor Wigan side that would have kept us up.So in answer to your question yes it was time for Warnock to leave he'd had is time.

He was able to get 38 points over a season though. Plenty of PL teams would kill for that this time round

 

[Eckingtonian]

But it wasnt enough that season.Most managers with an home game against Wigan with one point required would almost certainly have got it.

 

[Bladesman]

That wasn't the question... the question was, were we right to get rid of him when we did?

Sorry yes he was right to leave.

 

[SotonBlade]

At the time I thought it was the correct decision, however in hindsight it was probably a decision that contributed to our current predicament!

 

[blades1889]

nope even though i didn't like when he goes negative away from home and when he has 10 strikers on books and only plays one, i still hope we had him.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

I count myself amongst his biggest fans but on the day he went, with all the emotion of the time, I thought it was the right decision.

With hindsight, it was an awful decision. He had the necessary strength of character and charisma to drag us back to our feet. We had the players when we came down, I strongly believe that. It was just that McCabe, Robinson, whoever decided the best course of action was to throw money at ageing has-beens and neverwasbeens. We still haven't recovered

Agree with that, I wish Warnock had stayed with hindsight, and thought exactly that during today's match before the aftermath. Many United fans wanted that change though after Wigan and I'm sure it felt at boardroom level that a change was needed as well, so I don't think we can finger point at McCabe for that decision. His main error was Robson.

 

[LouTheBlade]

"Were we right to get rid of Warnock?"

Yes

 

[cooperblade]

But it wasnt enough that season.Most managers with an home game against Wigan with one point required would almost certainly have got it.

Absolutely impossible to say.

Would most Manchester United managers in history have won a home game against a relegation threatened West Ham? Ferguson out

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Only SUFC could blow it on the last day of the season with our fate in our own hands.

In my lifetime

Walsall 80/81 - relegated when we needed a point at home - AND we had a penalty kick 'saved'

Chelsea 93/94 - IMO Bassett cost us this we were 2-1 up and should have defended the lead, a draw would have done - we let 2 goals in the space of 5 mins to go down and become the laughing stock of everyone everywhere.

Wigan 06/07 - We needed a point - Warncunt banged on about a contract - we went down - Sean Bean should have strangled that wanker when he had the chance.

 

[Kev Gee]

I think we should have got rid of him as soon as we were promoted.

harsh i know, but it was obvious he just isnt cut out for PL managment.

His signings at Xmas baffled me.

Example - Hulse got injured & it was obvious to everyone that we needed an experienced Striker to replace him.

We got Shelton.

 

[Scottyblade]

I think we should have got rid of him as soon as we were promoted.

harsh i know, but it was obvious he just isnt cut out for PL managment.

His signings at Xmas baffled me.

Example - Hulse got injured & it was obvious to everyone that we needed an experienced Striker to replace him.

We got Shelton.

In fairness we got Stead (and Kilgallon)aswell, who did fairly well that season, although yeah Shelton, Fathi and Seck didn't work out really by any stretch of the imagination. I have to say I agree though, but at the time I thought Warnock was going to keep us up right until that last game when Jags was at right-back, Quinn was drafted from the wilderness after a month out and countless other tactical curiosities behind that team for that game, as usual we bottled it. Swept with post-relegation emotion I think most people wanted a renewed approach and we know how that turned out. I think in hindsight we should have given him that extra season to get us back up with the money we gave Robson and THEN parted mutually, he leaves on a high, we are on high, everybody would have won - theoretically. Ah well, hopefully some of us learn and we move on.

 

[Scottyblade]

Course, Having said that we might have done exactly that and kept him on, failed and we'd have all said we should have gotten rid upon relegation lol, shame we'll never know but we as fans always seem to want change after disappointment, this is amplified with a relegation or play-off final defeat, we sacked Warnock for one and kept Blacky for the other when hindsight suggests the reversal for both would possibly have stood us in better stead now. In the heat of it I wanted both gone I have to admit it. Think its good to debate these things though, as these managerial decisions lead us here and learning from them can help us go forward, this next appointment will be just as critical of course. Interested to know at what point everyone agreed the time was right for Robson to leave and simply wasn't going to work? I think for me it was a semi-fit Hulse started upfront on his own at Hillsbrough. Honestly thought that would be the end of him, how many more games was he given after? I seem to have blotted most of that period out of my memory lol

 

[beightonblade]

Only SUFC could blow it on the last day of the season with our fate in our own hands.

In my lifetime

Walsall 80/81 - relegated when we needed a point at home - AND we had a penalty kick 'saved'

Chelsea 93/94 - IMO Bassett cost us this we were 2-1 up and should have defended the lead, a draw would have done - we let 2 goals in the space of 5 mins to go down and become the laughing stock of everyone everywhere.

Wigan 06/07 - We needed a point - Warncunt banged on about a contract - we went down - Sean Bean should have strangled that wanker when he had the chance.

have you been reading my mind ? .........bang on the button !
Flopp0 then cheap as chips ..............the next un can't be worse..........can he ?

oh sorry original question : YES .....but as Kev Gee says he shud have gone sooner.

 

[sheffielder]

yes we were right to get rid of Warnock, however McCabe let Robinson railroad him and pick Robson because of their friendship. I have every faith the correct replacement will be made this time whether it will be Speed or not. Personally I like Speed and if he can bring in an experienced number 2 who he has played for before, like Roeder. Speed is a liked and respected man in the football world and shouldn't have a problem getting someone.

 

[bartman]

I think we should have got rid of him as soon as we were promoted.

harsh i know, but it was obvious he just isnt cut out for PL managment.

His signings at Xmas baffled me.

Example - Hulse got injured & it was obvious to everyone that we needed an experienced Striker to replace him.

We got Shelton.

Also don't forget the £2.75mill he wasted on Horsfield and Akinbiyi. Why he didn't recall Horsfield(did he have a recall clause) when Hulse was injured as we went into the final stages of the season with no experienced target man ?....yes it was right to let him go.

 

[LouTheBlade]

My answer to this question was a simple yes, but we have to remember one thing..........

We didn't "get rid" - he resigned.

 

[bricktop]

Yes. I never liked Warnock towards the end, but i think the way he said he was upset about not getting a contract in the run up to the Wigan game affected the way we went out and played that day. All also think that he wasted money whenever he got the chance to spend in the transfer market.