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itsinyerblood
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What, all of them? You mean you don't separate what happened 30 years ago from those who just happen to live in Nottingham today? It's a bit like saying everyone in Yorkshire is tarred with the same brush as Peter Sutcliffe. You need to be more selective in your thinking. That type of elephant's memory bitterness will get you into trouble fella. By all means remember the facts accurately, but don't confuse what happened then with the lives of those who live in Nottingham now. I don't hold a grudge just because of someone's geographical circumstance, that would be foolish and irrational.
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Can this thread be moved to BladesMad??
Swanseablade
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If his kids weren't with him he presumably would have obliged then?
And we're all happy with this?
That's an arrogance that I thought was unique to Wendy
Bladesway
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I give up.
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dublin 10 blade
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It was the whole build up , not only to the miners strike , but the steel strike before it as well , anti trade union laws passed in parliment the extra powers given to police , the history of the Tory party to crush any resistance by people standing up to there rights , Ted Heath being shown up by those upity working class folk , they wanted revenge for that and got it ,didnt we know our place in the grand scheme of things fight and die in wars , then live and die in the workplace , if you could get a job to pay the bills , I agree there should have been a ballot , because that would have given the whore something she would'nt have been able to deal with along with the scum newspaper , a united workforce against her . I have nothing but hatred for the whore and what she did to that country that I had to leave so my dad could find work at home over here, the loads a money characters do alright , I do not have a problem with working hard and earning good money you work for it you've entitled to it , did they sing the sign on with a pen in your hand chant I wonder , and people on here moan about calling them dirty names boo fucking hoo .
I disagree with some of the things people say on this forum but disagree in a banter / different point of view type of way , its a forum were people have differing views telling them to fuckoff back to BM lowers your argument ,and in my view renders you no better than some of the posters of that site . If I need telling my point of view I'll ask the wife .
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I disagree with some of the things people say on this forum but disagree in a banter / different point of view type of way , its a forum were people have differing views telling them to fuckoff back to BM lowers your argument ,and in my view renders you no better than some of the posters of that site . If I need telling my point of view I'll ask the wife .
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Bladesway
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Most of us see that, unfortunately you only have to read above that some of our lot haven't.
Swanseablade
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Thanks for the advice on what I should/shouldn't be thinking and looking out for my "back" (I presume).
You don't hold a grudge because of geography? S6 is ok then?
I wouldn't have bothered to respond to this bloke if he didn't have the arrogant attitude of :
"if I didn't have the kids with me today I would have been well up for a dust-up"
But apparently that's acceptable....
Swanseablade
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I saw that as a quick retraction after a few eye brows were raised to tge content of his OP
itsinyerblood
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What you've described are two different issues fella.
Of course, if someone is advocating violence then they're an idiot, and a dangerous one at that. No brainer is what I think this would be referred to as. So with you there mate, but certainly not supporting fighting fire with fire.
As for the lessons in geography, maybe it might come as a surprise to you, but I don't actually hate Wendy. I know one or two guys who foolishly support the pigs, and they happen to be decent people apart from this failure in taste. Of course I want us to beat the pigs, and I don't wish them well, but let's be right, two thriving teams are good for the city. I happen to think we're made of superior material to the deluded idiots who support that most massive of clubs, but hate them? For me there are very few things I hate in life, and if that goes against the grain then I'll just have to live with that. So in answer to your question, I'm not sure what type of grudge I'm supposed to have against the pigs? That they wear blue? That their ground is an eyesore? That they exist on the outskirts of civilisation?
We're better than them, even though the league positions suggest differently UTB
mattbianco1
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It's like saying we hate all Germans because of one very small minded Austrian
No, we're not happy. Nor are we happy with the SUFC fans that they were fighting with, or the fans that invaded the pitch at 2-1 & 3-1... I can accept the Full Time one as it really is a great achievment to be in the 1/4's regardless of the opponents in the next round
No, we're not happy. Nor are we happy with the SUFC fans that they were fighting with, or the fans that invaded the pitch at 2-1 & 3-1... I can accept the Full Time one as it really is a great achievment to be in the 1/4's regardless of the opponents in the next round
Swanseablade
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Well said fella:
You don't hate them - But you chose to call them "the Pigs" not Wednesday or SWFC?
You don't hate them - but at the end it sounded a tad like you did....
Swanseablade
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Fair enough
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Bloody hell - best win in ages, chance to wrest ownership of the city from the MASSIVE (it's a joke, right?), good feeling about the Blades now, and some people want to talk shite about the miners' strike and scabs.
Wind your necks in boys, and behave yourselves - you're pathetic.
Wind your necks in boys, and behave yourselves - you're pathetic.
mattbianco1
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That's the bit that you chose to comment on. Nothing to do with the two Sheffield folk that are/were labelled as scabs?
itsinyerblood
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So, my choice of words suggests to you that I hate them? Did I say I hated them? No. I made it perfectly clear how I feel about them. To call them pigs or wendy is not the same as saying I hate them. Is that clear enough? Or do I need to use a mega sized font to express how I feel?
I enjoy banter with those who support wendy, I sometimes point out that they are selective about certain things involving their club, but I have never suggested that hate plays a part in my view of the club in S6. If you want to hate 'em then that's your choice, I just think it's a wasted emotion pal.
Swanseablade
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Yeah true, I'm missing the glory of the events.
Old wounds and all that (but still wounds)!!
Move on....
1889
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The Pigs moniker allegedly came about long before anyone on here was born, England fans still hum the Dambusters theme tune when we play Germany, the citizens of Hartlepool apparently hung a Monkey during the Napoleonic War and Nottinghamshire miners went back to the pit during the Miners Strike of the eighties. They're all the subject of opposing football fans banter, it's purely tongue in cheek piss taking, hopefully to the irritation of the recipients.
The day football chants and the winding up of opponents fans have to meet the approval of the politically correct minority will mark the end of the kind of atmosphere we enjoyed yesterday. So, as someone else said, get a grip we just got through to the quarter final of the FA Cup and some people are more concerned about the validity of calling 5,000 people from Nottingham scabs. I mean does anyone actually think their fans were comprised entirely of 1980's miners...............no, but it's a joke, get over it!
UTB
The day football chants and the winding up of opponents fans have to meet the approval of the politically correct minority will mark the end of the kind of atmosphere we enjoyed yesterday. So, as someone else said, get a grip we just got through to the quarter final of the FA Cup and some people are more concerned about the validity of calling 5,000 people from Nottingham scabs. I mean does anyone actually think their fans were comprised entirely of 1980's miners...............no, but it's a joke, get over it!
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JJ Sefton
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I remember watching an England team featuring Darius Vassell draw 2-2 with Macedonia. "Not the first time", I observed to the regulars in The Goat, "that Darius has come a cropper at the hands of the Macedonians".
The look on every face said 'What a wanker'.
Bladesway
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Not much of a nawtee geezer if he is put off by a few choice comments from some people on the internet is he?
Bladesway
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I'd agree with you at the match and as general banter. With regards a poster coming on here and wishing us well (saying we beat them fair and square) I would suggest its unnecessary. But that must put me in the eyes of the minority.
It becomes a problem when people start taking it seriously and dishing it out as actual abuse rather than banter. Which they were on here.
LSF
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Simplistic views and hey ho, you are entitled to them. If you've got a few hours one day, I could give you my viewpoint as one who was a miner during the strike and stuck it out the full year.
I regard myself as a moderate, but my hatred of Thatcher and how we were treat during the strike, is still as strong today.
BornOnShorehamStreet
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Do you not bear some sort of grudge against a man who cannot be held entirely blameless?
To wit one Mr Scargill
mattbianco1
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I'm not denying it was a difficult time and Ms. Thatcher did her upmost best to royally fuck up the north of England - but to be part of the strike and in support of it, then get labelled a scab and be driven out of your own home because you can no longer afford to live is a tad excessive do you not think? To have to go to school and get beat up everyday because your dad has gone back to work in order to put food on the table and electricity in the house. If you think that behaviour is good then i'm sorry, we have very different views.
And what about the poor taxi driver that had a concrete post planted through his head just because he was picking a non-striking miner up?
Even on Scargill's argument the Notts miners were not scabs. He could have legally called a strike two ways: via a national ballot, which he didn't call or via each area calling out is members seperately to create a number of seperate area strikes which the cumulative effect of a national strike.
Scargill went down the latter route. Notts had an area ballot and voted massively against striking. The members who worked thus abided by the democratic decision of their area. If there had been a national ballot with a majority voting for a strike, miners going into work in Notts or anywhere else would then have been scabs. As there was no such ballot, the only scabs were the ones who went to work in areas (like Yorks) that voted to strike.
Scargill wanted to have it both ways. He thought he would lose a national ballot (I think he would have won it), so didn't call one but still wanted those areas who voted againsts striking to come out. He really was hopeless.
Maidenhead
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Completely agree Darren but whilst he may have been "hopeless" history has proved him to be right.
I lived in Nottingham during the strike and I hated the the general attitude that prevailed in the city at the time.
That said, it is a great place to live.
itsinyerblood
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Hi BOSS,
I know how the sensitivities that surround the miner's strike still run deep for many people. I was one of those cynics who, although I supported the miners in what they were attempting to do, I could also see how Thatcher and her mob would win that particular battle. What's that adage? "Lions lead by donkeys" seems appropriate. It was an across the board sweep against the unions, and Scargill was a poor leader who confused bluster and rhetoric with good, sound strategies that could be presented and acted upon. Listen mate, I'm old enough to still feel pained by many wrongs that don't get mentioned a lot these days. The thing is, I sometimes neither forgive or forget, there again, I may, depending on circumstance, decide to let an issue go whilst never forgetting the part an individual, or body, had in a particular event. I've seen too many people get weighed down by tragic events, in some cases understandably, and they never recover from what happened.
It's not for me to advise anyone about what they should or shouldn't do regarding what affects their lives. There are certain things I'd go to the wire for, and no amount of well reasoned appeasement would deter me. I'm just built that way I'm afraid. We all have consciences, and we all have to live with the decisions we take in life. My heart went out to those miners who lost their working lives and the communities they were brought up in. This isn't a romanticised view of the working class, I come from a working class background, so I've no need to embellish what they went through. Thatcher's 'victory' came at a price. Not for her I might add, but for thousands of people she would never come into contact with, due to the exclusive circles they mixed in.
So, although a bit lengthy as replies go mate, I do understand and empathise with what I assume are your feelings towards Scargill.
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