Well done Ched

[dingledog]

If we forget his personal problems for a minute, he has just come back after a 5 month injury lay off, he scores a great goal and so good luck to him, he is a blades player. As for the other stuff he will have his day in court and the jury will decide.

 

[grafikhaus]

If we forget his personal problems for a minute, he has just come back after a 5 month injury lay off, he scores a great goal and so good luck to him, he is a blades player. As for the other stuff he will have his day in court and the jury will decide.

And then hopefully charge the bird for wasting police time.

 

[axel smeets]

And then hopefully charge the bird for wasting police time.

If he is innocent, they should throw the book at this woman. 2-3 years should do the trick.

 

[Darren]

If he is innocent, they should throw the book at this woman. 2-3 years should do the trick.

Not at all. She will say she didn't consent. He will say she did. The jury will have to decide BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that Ched is lying. If they think he is probably lying, but are not sure they have to find him not guilty. The jury could well decide that they think it probable (but are not certain) that the woman did not consent and still find him not guilty.

It follows that Ched being found not guilty does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that the jury found that the woman was lying. Hence she will not (and should not) be punished for perjury unless strong evidence emerges that she was, in fact, lying.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Not at all. She will say she didn't consent. He will say she did. The jury will have to decide BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that Ched is lying. If they think he is probably lying, but are not sure they have to find him not guilty. The jury could well decide that they think it probable (but are not certain) that the woman did not consent and still find him not guilty.

It follows that Ched being found not guilty does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that the jury found that the woman was lying. Hence she will not (and should not) be punished for perjury unless strong evidence emerges that she was, in fact, lying.

Oooh, Presumed Guilt! i'm getting flashbacks from the Kung fu fighting thread

If he does end up getting off, they should be chucking the book at the dozy chuff at the CPS who decided to charge.

 

[Darren]

Oooh, Presumed Guilt! i'm getting flashbacks from the Kung fu fighting thread

If he does end up getting off, they should be chucking the book at the dozy chuff at the CPS who decided to charge.

Again, not necessarily. It may have looked a very strong case on the evidence but the woman may go to pieces in the witness box.

The law is that CPS prosecute if they think it likely (not certain) that a jury will convict. This will mean, by definition, that some people will get off. It really would be a bit much to throw the book at every prosecuter whose case results in an acquittal!

 

[grafikhaus]

Again, not necessarily. It may have looked a very strong case on the evidence but the woman may go to pieces in the witness box.

The law is that CPS prosecute if they think it likely (not certain) that a jury will convict. This will mean, by definition, that some people will get off. It really would be a bit much to throw the book at every prosecuter whose case results in an acquittal!

The law is usually that a woman gets a far more lenient sentence, even if she was totally implicit in the crime.

'...the woman may go to pieces in the witness box.' ??? Aah, diddums. I don't suppose Ched's life is that good at the moment.

It's time this whole 'rape' thing was looked at. The woman gets to keep her anonymity, the bloke is outed in public.

 

[Pinchy]

Again, not necessarily. It may have looked a very strong case on the evidence but the woman may go to pieces in the witness box.

The law is that CPS prosecute if they think it likely (not certain) that a jury will convict. This will mean, by definition, that some people will get off. It really would be a bit much to throw the book at every prosecuter whose case results in an acquittal!

I'm told that it's the experience of those who defend and preside over these cases that a much lower evidential threshold is applied by the CPS in rape cases than in it is relation to other offences, or so it seems.

 

[Darren]

The law is usually that a woman gets a far more lenient sentence, even if she was totally implicit in the crime.

'...the woman may go to pieces in the witness box.' ??? Aah, diddums. I don't suppose Ched's life is that good at the moment.

It's time this whole 'rape' thing was looked at. The woman gets to keep her anonymity, the bloke is outed in public.

You're missing the point. I am not trying to elicit sympathy for victims by suggesting they might not perform well in the witness box. I am pointing out why a case night fail when it looked good to start with.

The CPS have to make a judgment whether, on the basis of the evidence they have, a conviction is likely to result They will not know how witneses might perform at the trial and witnesses are sometimes awful when it comes to giving evidence. Thus a case that looked strong on paper, might go to pieces at trial. The CPS cannot be blamed for that.

 

[Kenilworth]

If he wasn't nesh he would have scored the winner instead of being muscled out when the ball was there to nod in after it hit the bar.
Porter would have scored that in the same position (Yeovil) and most people are not convinced by Porter.

My issue with Evans is that he is not living up to expectations – IMO he has not been doing the basics right in terms of effort, reading, making the right runs or affecting the game in the way he could or should do. His general decision making is awful - and that is one aspect that sets the best players apart from the also rans. Yes he did take his goal very, very well (no better than Tonne did against Bury) but he should have won it for us at the death - top strikers do that and he is supposed to be one - but not on the evidence I have seen over the last two seasons.

As a high profile player he should be doing the business and making a difference, not just making up the numbers.
Think of Torres - think of Aguerro. Different scale, of course, but one doing the business and one not. One in the team and one on the bench.

But let's be Blades and accept mediocrity as standard!

 

[Jehovah]

If he wasn't nesh he would have scored the winner instead of being muscled out when the ball was there to nod in after it hit the bar.
Porter would have scored that in the same position (Yeovil) and most people are not convinced by Porter.

My issue with Evans is that he is not living up to expectations – IMO he has not been doing the basics right in terms of effort, reading, making the right runs or affecting the game in the way he could or should do. His general decision making is awful - and that is one aspect that sets the best players apart from the also rans. Yes he did take his goal very, very well (no better than Tonne did against Bury) but he should have won it for us at the death - top strikers do that and he is supposed to be one - but not on the evidence I have seen over the last two seasons.

As a high profile player he should be doing the business and making a difference, not just making up the numbers.
Think of Torres - think of Aguerro. Different scale, of course, but one doing the business and one not. One in the team and one on the bench.

But let's be Blades and accept mediocrity as standard!

Maybe, but Porter wouldnt have been able to finsih the equaliser like Ched did.

 

[Tuns]

Yes I'd like to be proved wrong but I still think Ched was an awful buy for a club in our position and he will never make it at the top level, he simply does not have enough key attributes or any consistency (other than being consistently average).

I've also scored some cracking goals in my time so has Monty but I couldn't get 20 plus goals in the champ. Ched is paid a huge amount from our fans' ST and ticket money to score every week or at the least cause defences major problems and be a key performer. A goal at Scunny is a drop in the ocean to what he has to do to justify his signing and his wage..

He would not have started so many games for us if he had come from Mansfield and would have been released or sold by now, he has had a hell of a chance to prove himself.

My hope is he sets this league on fire and he is found not guilty (foremost cos it means a woman was not raped and secondly because it benefits my club) and we sell him to a desperate Norwich for £1m.

 

[stannyblade]

He played really well not just for his goal on Saturday. His link up play was good and movement as well. We looked so much better when he came on. Maybe that was because Scunny were tired.

 

[Kenilworth]

Let's hope he does the biz on Tuesday night then.
Big game, big occasion, time for a big player to show his mettle.

These are the games where that potential needs to be realised.
The difference is what Ched has to be.
He has to grow up, Man up and show everyone he is the main dtriker at the club.

I wanna see his balls - Metophorically and consensually you understand?

 

[stannyblade]

I wanna see his balls - Metophorically and consensually you understand?

Nice post mate