We seem to be linked to players in Jan, but where will the money come from?

[beightonblade]

Anyone know what 'creative diversification' is while we're at it.

i don't know Mic .......... but the sumbody that mentioned creative accounting said sumat about shafting or saving ! what the fook is he on abart ?

 

[norfolkblade]

i don't know Mic .......... but the sumbody that mentioned creative accounting said sumat about shafting or saving ! what the fook is he on abart ?

Creative accounting my friend is effectively pulling wool over eyes

 

[Micalijo]

When you find out, will you try some with your posts??

Very good!

Incidentally Coops - do you know why Mike Farnan owes the club £15,000?

 

[alcoblade]

Your PM's obviously.

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The wages of the players we have on loan at this moment come to nearly £4 Million.

Is that a stab Bob, or based on some knowledge?

Please tell me we aren't paying the likes of Nosworthy's premiership wages in full? If so, just how imcompetent have our decision makers become?

UTB

 

[LSF]

Very good!

Incidentally Coops - do you know why Mike Farnan owes the club £15,000?

Possibly 'cos the club lent it him maybe

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Is that a stab Bob, or based on some knowledge?

Please tell me we aren't paying the likes of Nosworthy's premiership wages in full? If so, just how imcompetent have our decision makers become?

UTB

I'll not say anything then. Incidentally our decision maker was Blackwell, the manager has the budget and decided how to spend it, which is why him moaning about a small squad didn't cut much ice with me last season. You can't have the board refusing the manager who he wants if he is managing the budget.

 

[lenners]

Fancy selling all your best players and ending up paying that amount in wages for players you don't own, have no re-sale value and you'll need to replace, possibly at short notice.
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to cover it. Staggering.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Fancy selling all your best players and ending up paying that amount in wages for players you don't own, have no re-sale value and you'll need to replace, possibly at short notice.
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to cover it. Staggering.

It has often been difficult to voice concerns regarding the way things have been handled, like in this thread: http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?20469-Money-bags-Blades.&highlight=money+bags

When we discuss the renewal of a player's contract fans often just make their mind up based on their opinion of the player's performances. With finances being like they are it's not that simple and we have to take the player's wage (what we reckon it must be) into account.

 

[dingledog]

Creative accounting means the accounts have nice little pictures on them. Inside it means they tell a lovely tall story.

 

[norfolkblade]

Fancy selling all your best players and ending up paying that amount in wages for players you don't own, have no re-sale value and you'll need to replace, possibly at short notice.
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to cover it. Staggering.

Absolutely, Norwich did similar a couple of years back and got relegated, luckily they bounced back at the first attempt, I can see us going the same way soon and we have to avoid this

 

[alcoblade]

I'll not say anything then. Incidentally our decision maker was Blackwell, the manager has the budget and decided how to spend it, which is why him moaning about a small squad didn't cut much ice with me last season. You can't have the board refusing the manager who he wants if he is managing the budget.

You'll say nothing for fear of getting someone into trouble? I wasn't having a dig BTW, if it came across that way. I would like to know if your numbers are factual or just, as we all do, a guestimation?

UTB

 

[Rudders]

Fancy selling all your best players and ending up paying that amount in wages for players you don't own, have no re-sale value and you'll need to replace, possibly at short notice.
Mismanagement doesn't even begin to cover it. Staggering.

It beggars belief. So
£4m/52 = £77,000 per week

We currently have Bartley, Reid, Nosworthy, Calve and Batth on loan I think. I assume Batth is on the least (inexperienced and young), then Bartley (no premier experience), then Calve prob then Nos followed by Reid. If we say Bartley and Batth are on £16k per week in TOTAL, Calve say £15k that leaves the best part of say £45k per week going north to Sunderland.

Only one of those Sunderland loans players has actually played well enough to even be thinking about taking £30k out of Utd.

The only way I can think is that they haven't paid for Killa yet and this is all being offset against that? In fact I think we would be better off without one of them!

Niall Quinn must be laughing his disco pants off at our stupidity.

Calve poor value for money although he got us 3 points ve preston?

 

[Kopped]

It beggars belief. So
£4m/52 = £77,000 per week

We currently have Bartley, Reid, Nosworthy, Calve and Batth on loan I think. I assume Batth is on the least (inexperienced and young), then Bartley (no premier experience), then Calve prob then Nos followed by Reid. If we say Bartley and Batth are on £16k per week in TOTAL, Calve say £15k that leaves the best part of say £45k per week going north to Sunderland.

Only one of those Sunderland loans players has actually played well enough to even be thinking about taking £30k out of Utd.

The only way I can think is that they haven't paid for Killa yet and this is all being offset against that? In fact I think we would be better off without one of them!

Niall Quinn must be laughing his disco pants off at our stupidity.

Calve poor value for money although he got us 3 points ve preston?

If we're paying Calve £15K a week from a French ligue 2 side, then I'm the Pope!

Now Reid and Nos would be on a fair whack. Bartley just isn't a Centre Half with no Prem experience. He's the Captain of the Arsenal Kids team. Wasn't he at centre half against us in the 6-0 annihilation?
As for Batth, young hungry player from Wolves who are not exactly established in the Prem should be rightly on about £2K max(ish)

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Flatulent Bob, is the 4 million what we will be spending this year on loans, or have you come to that figure by looking at our weekly loan wage bill, and multiplying it by 52?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nothing is exact as I don't get to look at the payslips.
The Sunderland players contracts are covered in full and with Bartley if budgeted for the year would come in around the £3.0-3.2 Million mark according to folk in the know.

Calve, DeLatt and the young lad from Wolves would be guess work but when you consider you've got 800K left to play with the maths aren't too difficult.

£4 Million was a guestimate based on £3.2 already going out, obviously Reid isn't going to cost a years worth of wages and he is the high earner but while the cuts are high they can easily be made. Especially if some of our existing high earners are somehow moved on in January, which must be the game plan.
This time of transition may be painful but personally I'm fed up with these players not good enough for the Premiership hitting us for the best part of a million per season.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Yes Dunc, its in the accounts...

Oh, right. I decided not to read the accounts as that seems to make me better qualified to make comment on them...

 

[beightonblade]

Oh, right. I decided not to read the accounts as that seems to make me better qualified to make comment on them...

I've read em Dunc ............then I read the Beano and everything made sense.

 

[Micalijo]

It has often been difficult to voice concerns regarding the way things have been handled, like in this thread: http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?20469-Money-bags-Blades.&highlight=money+bags

When we discuss the renewal of a player's contract fans often just make their mind up based on their opinion of the player's performances. With finances being like they are it's not that simple and we have to take the player's wage (what we reckon it must be) into account.

Totally agree. When you have people who think our wage bill is low compared with most clubs in the section life becomes very difficult but one has to keep trying. Good thread that, enjoyed it.

Bob - I reckon you aint far wrong with your £4m per annum - albeit Reid is here for roughly 1/4 of a year as you have said. It is simply beyond belief who the club has approached this transition away from parachute payments etc and quite rightly Blackwell is the man to blame if he was in control of spending the budgets. Why Birch thought Blackwell was capable of handling the situation though is equally baffling.

 

[diplomat]

Hang on, is someone implying that we are covering Nozzy's wage in full?

I cannot believe that and if it's true we are bonkers. This is a player clearly not in Sunderland's plans, with a manager who collects centre halves, who they rewarded with a long term deal at wages above his actual standing largely due to being a promotion winning cult hero (3 year £25k p/w has been mooted). If we are paying more than half that given the situation we clearly need some negotiation help.

I've heard we are paying half of Bartley's wages and he is on £15k p/w at Arsenal. . . but I am not ITK. I would think Prem clubs realise that the wage structures are vastly different and the higher the basic wage the lower the % we would have to cover.

 

[lenners]

If the Nozza deal was a substitute for us paying a transfer fee then it might make sense we are paying all his wages instead - and picking him up for free at the end of the season.

 

[Rudders]

If the Nozza deal was a substitute for us paying a transfer fee then it might make sense we are paying all his wages instead - and picking him up for free at the end of the season.

That would be a disaster, we would be bound to offer him a stupidly generous permanent deal. Let Speed have a clean sheet without the likes of Nos tying his hands.

PS we still haven't replaced Craig Short adequately have we?

 

[Worksop II]

Oh, right. I decided not to read the accounts as that seems to make me better qualified to make comment on them...

Anytime Dunc, glad you have grasped it

And the Sun is shining .......

 

[lenners]

That would be a disaster, we would be bound to offer him a stupidly generous permanent deal. Let Speed have a clean sheet without the likes of Nos tying his hands.

PS we still haven't replaced Craig Short adequately have we?

I doubt there's any way we would be offering a big money deal.
But if I remember correctly, Sunderland did want to sell him. We didn't have the money so the only way we could get him for the year was probably to offer to pay his wages instead.