We need to talk about Sydie Peck

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He's a typical player that plays well in a winning team, gets shown up in a bad one. As others have said, he shows for the ball, puts his foot in etc so he does have good traits.

End of the day he's a young lad that got thrown in at the deep end after a horror injury to Blaster, playing in a struggling team. I think the kid is doing alright and is the least of our worries.
 

Slim Man said:
An utterly baffling statement?

If he was Spanish, called Antonio Santos and a few inches smaller no one would even dream of calling him a battler.

He's a very nice cultured footballer. Always looking for a pass. Lovely slip through for Burrows today.

He's hardly Leigertwood is he?
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He's played 348 minutes for us so far and already people are saying he's better than Peck?

He could/should have been sent off in his first game for a stupid challenge and he's also missed at least one sitter in front of goal. He's hardly 'cultured' at this point in his career.

Don't get me wrong, I did say he might make a player. Maybe he'll make a damn good one, who knows, but he's miles behind Peck at the minute in terms of experience. and ability on the ball.

Let's not also forget just how many games Peck has played since the Arblaster injury and just how badly off we'd have been without his contributions. Who else was coming in to the side to do what he did?

My point is that there is very little proof so far that Soumare will be a good Championship footballer, let alone a "cultured" player. That comes only in time with experience and he has a lot to learn. I sincerely hope he does.

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FredZeppelin said:
He's played 348 minutes for us so far and already people are saying he's better than Peck?

He could/should have been sent off in his first game for a stupid challenge and he's also missed at least one sitter in front of goal. He's hardly 'cultured' at this point in his career.

Don't get me wrong, I did say he might make a player. Maybe he'll make a damn good one, who knows, but he's miles behind Peck at the minute in terms of experience. and ability on the ball.

Let's not also forget just how many games Peck has played since the Arblaster injury and just how badly off we'd have been without his contributions. Who else was coming in to the side to do what he did?

My point is that there is very little proof so far that Soumare will be a good Championship footballer, let alone a "cultured" player. That comes only in time with experience and he has a lot to learn. I sincerely hope he does.

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I don't think you know what being a cultured footballer means
 
He needs to come out of the side for a bit. He's done remarkably well at his age but at the moment he isn't there on merit.

I think wilder sees him as a Norwood who just keeps the ball ticking over from side to side. The issue is Norwood also had really good progressive passes and set piece delivery in him as well.
 
Clearly needs someone like Souza. Wouldn’t write him off though like some people are/have, not in the slightest. Maybe drop him for a bit?
 
bertieblade said:
I honest think that he will go on to make a premier league player

Always shows for the ball
Puts his foot in
Retains possession better than most
Looks to play forward balls wherever possible and if not knocks it across the line
Would look so much better with Souza along side him, but this season expected to do it all on his own.
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I really don’t see it.

What exactly is his profile?

He isn’t quick, physical or even energetic, so he doesn’t go hunting to win the ball back. Putting his foot in is a myth - he can be reckless at times too

He doesn’t sit in front of the defence dictating play. He can be neat and tidy with five or ten yard passes but that’s about it, which is probably why you think he’s good at retaining possession, but it’s rarely ever passes that hurt the opposition. In fact I’d argue it hurts us more because he takes too long to release the ball and when he does it’s usually a safe sideways or backwards pass when the other midfield are set back into shape. He never looks to play through the lines or switch play with a pinpoint diagonal ball. He’s not capable of carrying the ball up the pitch effectively either.

As for going forwards, he’s non-existent. He offers no creativity in the final third, he can’t shoot and he doesn’t arrive late into the box.

He’s simply ineffective in an important position and it’s hurting us big time.
 
He’s got potential granted, but as things stand he is not a starting championship player. Rose to the occasion last year with some excellent performances in a winning side. When things aren’t as rosy he’s badly exposed - Said before he doesn’t start in any other side in this division.

It’s insane the rose tinted specs the academy lads get. Obviously we all love the idea of a breakthrough player become the star, but the reality is very different.

Without doubt if we’d have loaned Peck from Man City or a another PL team he’d be getting pelters by everyone.

Same applies to Marsh and One on here. A while back Marsh was questioned whether he could emulate a McGoldrick type role in the starting 11. With One to some it’s a travesty he’s not in the squad, and the fact he’s not coming off the bench to change games is unbelievable.

I’d love nothing more than to see these lads succeed in red and white, but none of these lads should starting and it would be down to poor recruitment that One or Marsh should even be near the squad.
 

bertieblade said:
I honest think that he will go on to make a premier league player

Always shows for the ball
Puts his foot in
Retains possession better than most
Looks to play forward balls wherever possible and if not knocks it across the line
Would look so much better with Souza along side him, but this season expected to do it all on his own.
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I think he’ll develop into a very good player. But I don’t think he has the mobility or speed of thought to make it in a PL midfield.
 
He's neat and tidy but even if that is his main attribute, then he still gives the ball away a lot. Tries things he is not capable of and daft flicks/overplays turns possession over too cheaply.

He is not really a ball winner or defensive midfielder but offers zilch attacking wise, as his stats show. He did well last season helped by Souza (and Davies) allowing him to roam a lot but he's been very ordinary to say the least this season. He's only remained in the team due to the others being no better - Soumare looks best of a bad bunch and he is raw.

Don't think he has been dreadful but not sure I see the ceiling others do. He lacks pace and is hopeless at shooting/finishing. He rarely plays forward passes and does not carry the ball. Technically he is ok and can come out of tight spots well or nick balls away but I still am not sure whether he will ever have the qualities to be much more than a Champ average midfielder at best. Unless he sort of decides what type of midfielder he is going to be, he remains someone who is ok at a fair few things but lacking in the things you'd want of a top midfielder - forward passer/carrier, assists/scores or a tough, defensive ball winner.

If and it is a big if, Arblaster and Davies were fit, that would surely be your midfield pair? Not sure that is happening though. Matos seems completely bombed out already and might be moved on as quick as he came. I'm not sure Riedewald will be around post Jan. The midfield area is our biggest concern currently. We do not control possession or play through here at all.
 
Deadbat said:
The midfield area is our biggest concern currently.
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I completely disagree with this statement DB.

Having the worst defence for years and years is, for me, a far greater concern. No pace, no cohesion, poor awareness of each others position and the ability to look like we are going to concede a goal or a scoring opportunity every time a decent attacking team go forward is a much bigger weakness in my opinion.

Mee and McGuinness are a terrible combination and I don't exempt Tanganga from criticism either as he always looks like he has a mistake in him, let alone getting roasted on the wing last night for the headed goal. Why does he look like he's being played as a right back when we are supposedly playing a three with wing backs?

The fact that we scored two last night and should still have lost by two or three goals is a damning endorement of our biggest weakness. Wilder has done nothing to improve this situation so far imo. We were playing Preston ffs, nothing more that also rans every season.

It's horrible and we won't improve until this sorted.

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FredZeppelin said:
Go on then, educate me.

Tell me exactly what Soumare has done in his 348 minutes for us that has so thoroughly convinced you that he's a "cultured footballer".

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He can receive the ball under pressure and find a red and white (or purple) shirt.

He looks like he's got all the time in the world when he's on the ball.

He can play splitting passes, I.E. the one to Burrows last night.

'Nothing but a battler'?
 
FredZeppelin said:
I completely disagree with this statement DB.

Having the worst defence for years and years is, for me, a far greater concern. No pace, no cohesion, poor awareness of each others position and the ability to look like we are going to concede a goal or a scoring opportunity every time a decent attacking team go forward is a much bigger weakness in my opinion.

Mee and McGuinness are a terrible combination and I don't exempt Tanganga from criticism either as he always looks like he has a mistake in him, let alone getting roasted on the wing last night for the headed goal. Why does he look like he's being played as a right back when we are supposedly playing a three with wing backs?

The fact that we scored two last night and should still have lost by two or three goals is a damning endorement of our biggest weakness. Wilder has done nothing to improve this situation so far imo. We were playing Preston ffs, nothing more that also rans every season.

It's horrible and we won't improve until this sorted.

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The defence are not great but we have no protection whatsoever. Crosses come in routinely. Teams run through us and there us s huge chasm between the defence and midfield. Sometimes when the defence concedes lots of goals it's too easy to just blame the defence and I agree there had been issues there but when ahead of you, your midfield never control games, you never keep the ball and have no outlet up tip, then it means a defence will always be put under pressure.

Earlier in the season it was down to Robinson or Bindon. Now it's Mee or McGuiness. Yet the same lads mostly have been playing in midfield all season.

I agree that the signings of the centre backs have not really worked and seemed panic buys but until we have more control of games and the football, our defence, whoever it is will be under too much pressure.
 
Slim Man said:
He can receive the ball under pressure and find a red and white (or purple) shirt.

He looks like he's got all the time in the world when he's on the ball.

He can play splitting passes, I.E. the one to Burrows last night.

'Nothing but a battler'?
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Rubbish (imo).

He's been as guilty as anyone in his 348 minutes at giving the ball away and he certainly looks no better when receiving the ball under pressure than Peck who has much better body movement and ball manipulation when in possession imo. I certainly haven't seen him look like he has "all the time in the world" at any stage, in fact he looks 'hurried' more often than most. I'm not saying he's done badly but he has made mistakes like everyone else.

So ONE "splitting pass"makes you a 'cultured footballer' these days does it!

I personally see Soumare as more combative midfielder and that, as I understand it is what he's been bought in to do.

Your argument smacks of desperation but I appreciate we all have different views.

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FredZeppelin said:
Rubbish (imo).

He's been as guilty as anyone in his 348 minutes at giving the ball away and he certainly looks no better when receiving the ball under pressure than Peck who has much better body movement and ball manipulation when in possession imo. I certainly haven't seen him look like he has "all the time in the world" at any stage, in fact he looks 'hurried' more often than most. I'm not saying he's done badly but he has made mistakes like everyone else.

So ONE "splitting pass"makes you a 'cultured footballer' these days does it!

I personally see Soumare as more combative midfielder and that, as I understand it is what he's been bought in to do.

Your argument smacks of desperation but I appreciate we all have different views.

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You think he's combative because he's tall and has an African name. That's literally it. If you watch him play you can't possibly think that, he can tackle yes but he's a good footballer to boot.

My argument smacks of desperation (eh?) and yours is that a player with 2 assists and 0 goals in a year is our undoubted best central midfielder 🤣 right, toodle pip
 
Slim Man said:
You think he's combative because he's tall and has an African name. That's literally it. If you watch him play you can't possibly think that, he can tackle yes but he's a good footballer to boot.

My argument smacks of desperation (eh?) and yours is that a player with 2 assists and 0 goals in a year is our undoubted best central midfielder 🤣 right, toodle pip
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Wow!

Who said anything about being "tall with an African name"? Are you insane? You're making things up in your own mind.

Have an opinion and critisize mine all you like but don't make blatant lies up! Show me where I've said anything like that. I haven't.

As I've said, you've completely made up your mind on Soumare being a "cultured" player based on 348 minutes. I hope in the long run you'll be proved right.

I also never said that Peck was "our best midfielder". Another made up statement! I said he was "second only to 'OHare in terms of ability and work rate" at the moment. That is my opinion. The manager seems to agree with me too as he plays him every game.

I can take positive criticism but making up lies about people around stereotyping is completely out of order. Get some therapy, pal.

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FredZeppelin said:
Wow!

Who said anything about being "tall with an African name"? Are you insane? You're making things up in your own mind.

Have an opinion and critisize mine all you like but don't make blatant lies up! Show me where I've said anything like that. I haven't.

As I've said, you've completely made up your mind on Soumare being a "cultured" player based on 348 minutes. I hope in the long run you'll be proved right.

I also never said that Peck was "our best midfielder". Another made up statement! I said he was "second only to 'OHare in terms of ability and work rate" at the moment. That is my opinion. The manager seems to agree with me too as he plays him every game.

I can take positive criticism but making up lies about people around stereotyping is completely out of order. Get some therapy, pal.

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Sure
 
Very overrated by our fanbase. No assists or goals. I didn't watch gannon but i heard about him and peck to me is our version
 
AdamSufc1997 said:
Very overrated by our fanbase. No assists or goals. I didn't watch gannon but i heard about him and peck to me is our version
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Ban on was not a bad player. His right footed volley against Forest at the City ground elevates him above so many in my eyes. I seem to recall he was quite good at taking corners.
 

At two nil up last night when we were enjoying a good spell of sustained possession he gave the ball away about half a dozen times in a row all needlesly and hastily
Give him.his dues though he played a fantastic through ball to ings that he controlled so badly he should basically retire
 
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