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winx blade said:
I think we need to probably improve our recruitment team
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And herein lies the problem

We are bemoaning the recruiting team on a coaching thread!

Rightly so, the top teams do both well
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Robertson been the best
Man C.- de brunye, Walker, Jesus
All the above have been good buys, and then developed by their coaches

Some teams do 1 well - Man U buy ready made players, Pogba, maguire, cavani
Villa brought in Martinez and Barkley
Southampton have developed ward prowse and Che adams

If we do neither, why do we expect any less than to be where we are?
 



FMBlade1 said:
Did look at what Rio was up to, seems well settled into the family life at present.

Not against Sol Campbell though I guess he would want to be a manager in his own right?
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Dabbling after being an agent isn’t he ? Representing Godfrey and a few others.
 
Balham Blade said:
The striker issues are at least equally to do with the vertical structure of our team as they are to do with the players themselves. We starve the forwards of the ball, ask them to spend most of their energy closing down wide passing channels then expect them to bury the one chance they might get each game. Until we sort the tactics out we can't fairly judge the forwards.

The 3-5-2 has been dying since Leicester at home last season. Brendan Rogers might be a cocky little bastard but he's one of the best in the league at identifying opposition weaknesses. Wilder has therefore had over a year's warning that "the system" needs to evolve and he's not, as yet, done anything about it.
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That is an excellent post. In the Premier League you have to evolve and adapt more than you would in just about any other league. Brendan Rogers worked out how to play against our system and notwithstanding his current woes, so did Steve Bruce. The three defeats on the spin at the end of last season was a warning sign. This stage of the evolution should have been finding attacking midfielders so that Sander Berger could play his natural position. Instead we spend money on other areas which was a mystery to me because unless you have a decent midfield then chances will not be created. You could have Kylian Mbappe up front in this team and he would be made to look ordinary.

The warning signs were misread. Yes we are hard to play against but it is rather depressing to know that the opposition only has to score once and that's the game.

I know plenty of supporters from other clubs and all of them apart from one or two owls fans have stopped making fun of our situation. It has now gone beyond a joke
 
steve26272 said:
And herein lies the problem

We are bemoaning the recruiting team on a coaching thread!

Rightly so, the top teams do both well
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Robertson been the best
Man C.- de brunye, Walker, Jesus
All the above have been good buys, and then developed by their coaches

Some teams do 1 well - Man U buy ready made players, Pogba, maguire, cavani
Villa brought in Martinez and Barkley
Southampton have developed ward prowse and Che adams

If we do neither, why do we expect any less than to be where we are?
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I’m saying on this thread as I think a Brentford style recruitment team would help the current coach perhaps splash a bit more in that department in the PL I think you need to have more knowledge of the foreign leagues of course all signings are gambles but it’s a really important area Southampton are a great example of it
 
winx blade said:
I’m saying on this thread as I think a Brentford style recruitment team would help the current coach perhaps splash a bit more in that department in the PL I think you need to have more knowledge of the foreign leagues of course all signings are gambles but it’s a really important area Southampton are a great example of it
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For clarification, I’m agreeing with you!

We do neither well imo
We seem to be able to develop players from youth to first team
Kyles, Harry, Dcl, etc
But who was the last player who we sold for a profit having brought them for a big profit, as hull did with Harry, Spurs - Kyle etc
 
steve26272 said:
For clarification, I’m agreeing with you!

We do neither well imo
We seem to be able to develop players from youth to first team
Kyles, Harry, Dcl, etc
But who was the last player who we sold for a profit having brought them for a big profit, as hull did with Harry, Spurs - Kyle etc
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We could have got 20 million for Fleck last January if rumours were to be believed. We'd be lucky to get 2 million for him now :(

To answer your question:

Che Adams?
Brian Deane?
 
FMBlade1 said:
We could have got 20 million for Fleck last January if rumours were to be believed. We'd be lucky to get 2 million for him now :(

To answer your question:

Che Adams?
Brian Deane?
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Fleck on current form we would struggle to find someone to take him on a free and pick up his wages🙂

Adams is exactly what I’m on about, we bought him for £200k and sold for £2m, but I want us to cut out the Birmingham City and sell him for the £13m they got

Delano good shout

Makes you wonder how much Egan and JoC will go for should they move in the summer
 
We could have Zidane, Scholes and Pirlo as midfield coaches,
They aren't making this midfield any better.

I always thought Deano should be drafted in to give some of the strikers advice (can you imagine him taking McBurnie under his wing!?)
 
From the pig end said:
We could have Zidane, Scholes and Pirlo as midfield coaches,
They aren't making this midfield any better.

I always thought Deano should be drafted in to give some of the strikers advice (can you imagine him taking McBurnie under his wing!?)
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Well they might stop us getting worse.

I think our midfield could learn something from those lot you mention!
 
Also thinking about this, having good coaches, or even ones with a big name can help in recruiting players.

Let's say we were competing in the transfer market with another team with the same budget for a developing player, and they had John Terry/ Duncan Ferguson etc. on their coaching and we have... well... who?

For those who think a 'big name' coach would be beyond us, Derby have Rooney and Shay Given!

There's real benefit in any event of having diverse thinking in an organization and I don't think we have that. Would we think any of our coaches would dare challenge Wilder?
 
FMBlade1 said:
Ah whoops you're right, he's manager of Oldham didn't realize thought he was out of work still.

Lucas Neil is bankrupt on the hand so needs anything you would imagine!

Mind you looking at our midfield tempting Gareth Barry out of retirement might be an idea....

Really struggling to think of good defenders who we could have as coaches though... maybe Jake Wright?!
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A quick question, are you thinking of top qualified coaches, or just slinging names against the wall?
 



georgebernardshaw said:
A quick question, are you thinking of top qualified coaches, or just slinging names against the wall?
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Throwing some names out there, some are top qualified some aren't. I don't work in recruitment.

Either way I believe they could add something to the club.
 
Silent Blade said:
FMBlade1 loves to have opinions without the facts, slings names against walls and starts threads that is already discussed elsewhere
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1. It's a forum. It's where you express opinions.

2. Which facts are wrong in the OP? Do we have other coaches not listed there?

3. It's a forum. It's where you express suggestions. If you don't name people then you lose creditability as then you are asked 'Well who do you suggest then?'

4. I don't see this topic being discussed anywhere else, please do enlighten me if it is and if so I apologize :)
 
This is a bit simplistic. It sounds like it comes from a football management game.

For a start 'name' coaches is the similar type of thinking that got us Bryan Robson.

The people you mention as coaches are 'name' players not necessarily renowned for their coaching prowess. I'd rather we have someone who has a reputation as a good coach and I'm sure players would rather someone with a track record in coaching than someone who can just tell you how good they were.

God rest his soul, we had Gary Speed. We averaged about a point a game as manager and the football was nothing special when he was a coach.

If you are mentioning specialist coaches who have a reputation for player development then perhaps there is some room there. Remember Warnock brought in Brian Kidd for instance.

The reality is that we don't pay enough wages and as such don't attract good enough players. Last season we had the excitement of being a new PL team and every games was a cup final. It's difficult to carry that on as the norm. You need to bring in better players. Maybe if he had got Cash, Robinson and Watkins we'd have been doing better. We could only afford Bogle, Lowe and Brewster. Just a bit of reality we have to deal with.
 
Champagneblade said:
This is a bit simplistic. It sounds like it comes from a football management game.

For a start 'name' coaches is the similar type of thinking that got us Bryan Robson.

The people you mention as coaches are 'name' players not necessarily renowned for their coaching prowess. I'd rather we have someone who has a reputation as a good coach and I'm sure players would rather someone with a track record in coaching than someone who can just tell you how good they were.

God rest his soul, we had Gary Speed. We averaged about a point a game as manager and the football was nothing special when he was a coach.

If you are mentioning specialist coaches who have a reputation for player development then perhaps there is some room there. Remember Warnock brought in Brian Kidd for instance.

The reality is that we don't pay enough wages and as such don't attract good enough players. Last season we had the excitement of being a new PL team and every games was a cup final. It's difficult to carry that on as the norm. You need to bring in better players. Maybe if he had got Cash, Robinson and Watkins we'd have been doing better. We could only afford Bogle, Lowe and Brewster. Just a bit of reality we have to deal with.
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Well FM Blade does stand for 'Football Manager' and the profile pic is the giveaway ;)

I'm talking about specialist coaches who have a reputation for player development in the top flight.

It's not a silver bullet but surely Burke would be doing better if he had someone like Duncan Ferguson on the coaching staff here?
 
Paul Mitchell was a head scout of Chesterfield
Alan Knill & Matt Prestridge were coaches of Northampton
Wilder manager of Northampton

That’s the background of our management team.

It shows you how well they’ve done to get us this far. Absolutely incredible to be honest.

However at what point do you move on....like when Southampton sacked Adkins and brought in Poch we were all surprised (not knowing what was to come in the future for us and them) but that experience and different style of coaching took them to another level.
 



Silent Blade said:
We do not want trainee managers/coaches like we did with Martin Peters, Billy McEwan, Steve Bruce, Adrian Heath, Gary Speed and David Weir. Never again!
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You obviously didn't read/understand what I said.

I didn't say that they should be our manager.

I said that we should look into the likes being on the coaching staff, like Duncan Ferguson is at Everton
 
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