We all know that Sander Berge wouldnt get a place in the England squad if he was English.

[Bell4]

I don't know anything about Berg (not that guy who used to dangle his foot in when tackling when he played for us ), but he looked decent against Brazil.

Could be a false reading though, I've said it many times before, I'm sure there's a highlights "reel" of Bobby Ford looking like a mixture of Zico, Laudrup, and Maradona somewhere!

More like Zippy , Hardup and Madonna

 

[Brownieblade]

Does the simple things ...
Never really effects the game

Disagree on that one, not taking a shot btw just disagree

I don’t think you are continually picked in a World Cup or week in week out for a prem team

I think he is asked to play a specific role for Norway and that affects how they play/tempo

I think it’s entirely fair to ask what level that has in terms of all around effectiveness of Norway and if them asking him to do more could improve that more etc etc but I would imagine right now that’s how they want him to affect the team

 

[SwissBlade]

There are a few English players better than Anderson and Berge but Tuchel didnt pick them

Anderson has been very solid this tournament and there has certainly not been any questions over his performances

Would Berge make it into this England squad? Possibly. He’s a versatile player and with good players around him he can be a very calm player in most sides

He’s done alright for Norway, fits their style and vice versa. Like England with Kane, Norway has built around Haaland but with a smaller pool of players

If England have our best midfield playing tonight and are playing with the shackles off, I’d expect us to overrun norways midfield, but also expect Norway to bypass the middle and get the ball wide to attack our weakness in the fullbacks

 

[Super Furry Blades]

Disagree on that one, not taking a shot btw just disagree

I don’t think you are continually picked in a World Cup or week in week out for a prem team

I think he is asked to play a specific role for Norway and that affects how they play/tempo

I think it’s entirely fair to ask what level that has in terms of all around effectiveness of Norway and if them asking him to do more could improve that more etc etc but I would imagine right now that’s how they want him to affect the team

Thanks bud ni e to be respectful
Appreciate it

 

[HarryHaslam]

I watched the last norway game with an eye on berge throughout the game.
He never won a tackle and never won a header despite being 6’5”.
What he did do consistently and regularly was to receive the ball, look around and find a player. 1 TC pass and the rest were short accurate passes and always found a man without putting the recipient in danger.
Top footballer.
Compliments the team.
Wish we still had him.

Agreed, I thought he was excellent against Brazil. Was always an outlet for players in trouble, so comfortable receiving the ball even under pressure and as you say he looks after it so well and always finds a teammate and doesn’t give it away. If your looking for a flair player to dribble and smash it in the top corner Sander is not for you but if you are looking for a player to look after the ball and then let the flair players do their thing then he’s a rolls royce. Top player.

Hope I’ve jinxed him now and he has a nightmare tonight

 

[Carlton Blade]

I think you have taken what Baddiel and skinner have said about it and assumed millions of others use it in that same way personally

Which is fine, each to their own

But you're assuming you understand the mindset of 'millions'?

 

[Brownieblade]

Thanks bud ni e to be respectful
Appreciate it

Yeh my original point was never to try and disrespect people, I was originally taking a shot at certain people without trying to get personal with them and with hindsight didn’t consider the larger picture so to speak

 

[Brownieblade]

But you're assuming you understand the mindset of 'millions'?

Considering millions of fans over the last 30 years haven’t driven a narrative of how it’s self deprecating then yes I may have stumbled on to something

 

[Carlton Blade]

Considering millions of fans over the last 30 years haven’t driven a narrative of how it’s self deprecating then yes I may have stumbled on to something

It's certainly impressive that you've managed to capture the full and in depth opinions from such a distance

 

[Brownieblade]

It's certainly impressive that you've managed to capture the full and in depth opinions from such a distance

Equally as impressive as yourself in arguing that me being wrong equals that the opposite is truth

I mean who knows, maybe I have been living on Mars and missed the decades of we are only taking the piss lads, we know we are going to lose, that’s why we sing it after every win

The added reality that the majority of fans have little or no real memory of most of those failings in past either, kinda of does beg the question why would they celebrate years of failings

They have grown up last 30 years of living in era of premier league dominance

It’s possible

 

[Sithblade]

Always liked his surging runs in the final third, and could play a decent through ball and scored a few goals. He scored more goals for us than Brewster did!

Since leaving us he's been used as a deep holding midfielder for Burnley, Fulham and Norway. It maybe a coincidence, but he's rarely missed a game through injury now he's not been asked to make attacking runs like how we used him.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Always liked his surging runs in the final third, and could play a decent through ball and scored a few goals. He scored more goals for us than Brewster did!

Since leaving us he's been used as a deep holding midfielder for Burnley, Fulham and Norway. It maybe a coincidence, but he's rarely missed a game through injury now he's not been asked to make attacking runs like how we used him.

In the championship players bouncing off him as he strode forward is my dream type of player! Just made it look like he was playing against kids!

 

[Carlton Blade]

Equally as impressive as yourself in arguing that me being wrong equals that the opposite is truth

I mean who knows, maybe I have been living on Mars and missed the decades of we are only taking the piss lads, we know we are going to lose, that’s why we sing it after every win

It’s possible

For someone who'll throw themselves in front of other generalisation, deciding that 'millions' of England football team supporters are arrogant is a strange position to take.

You not liking a certain type of person isn't the same as anyone singing a song being like that

 

[Bell4]

You clearly never came on here when he played for us then

Utter nonsense thrown at him

Compared to the crap JLT got thrown at him - Sander is a legend

 

[Gimli]

Equally as impressive as yourself in arguing that me being wrong equals that the opposite is truth

I mean who knows, maybe I have been living on Mars and missed the decades of we are only taking the piss lads, we know we are going to lose, that’s why we sing it after every win

The added reality that the majority of fans have little or no real memory of most of those failings in past either, kinda of does beg the question why would they celebrate years of failings

They have grown up last 30 years of living in era of premier league dominance

It’s possible

Premier league dominance - perhaps.

England national team dominance - not a fucking chance mate.

 

[Brownieblade]

For someone who'll throw themselves in front of other generalisation, deciding that 'millions' of England football team supporters are arrogant is a strange position to take.

You not liking a certain type of person isn't the same as anyone singing a song being like that

I mean you are equally throwing yourself in support of a generalisation, you could have used the exact same accusation towards the original post I replied to, which was equally generalising, but you chose not to

I’m not sure me not liking people is anything other than a cheap shot, I’m not sure me saying I think the song is shit means therefore I’m not getting that millions of fans automatically celebrate wins because they are celebrating they are going to lose

I think that’s an even stranger take personally

 

[Brownieblade]

Premier league dominance - perhaps.

England national team dominance - not a fucking chance mate.

Since the 90’s England have reached more semi finals in world and Euros than the majority of teams in the world

The topic of how every time a World Cup or euros comes along and how automatically every squad has an 11 that would walk in to every other nations starting 11 maybe needs a separate conversation

 

[Carlton Blade]

I mean you are equally throwing yourself in support of a generalisation, you could have used the exact same accusation towards the original post I replied to, which was equally generalising, but you chose not to

I’m not sure me not liking people is anything other than a cheap shot, I’m not sure me saying I think the song is shit means therefore I’m not getting that millions of fans automatically celebrate wins because they are celebrating they are going to lose

I think that’s an even stranger take personally

The irony is you've spent the thread objecting to stereotypes while insisting you know what millions of England supporters are really thinking when they sing a football song. That's a far bigger leap than anything I've said. Dislike the song by all means, but don't confuse your interpretation with everyone else's motive.

 

[Silent Blade]

Have to watch out for this

Flo pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bassett insisted on him playing in central striker position rather than on the right , the position he played for Norway. The refs in here kept awarding free kicks for the opposition when Flo is challenging for the ball in the air. I think he might have been better playing on the right and fewer free kicks for the opposition.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think you have taken what Baddiel and skinner have said about it and assumed millions of others use it in that same way personally

Which is fine, each to their own

I can't be responsible for the delusions of others. The lyrics are very easy to understand.

 

[Brownieblade]

I can't be responsible for the delusions of others. The lyrics are very easy to understand.

So easy to understand that Baddiel and skinner are in papers explaining the meaning decades later

I mean again if that’s how you take the song or not that’s fine, I just don’t think there has been a collective narrative that the song is only sang in a piss taking way

 

[nopigfansintown]

The irony is you've spent the thread objecting to stereotypes while insisting you know what millions of England supporters are really thinking when they sing a football song. That's a far bigger leap than anything I've said. Dislike the song by all means, but don't confuse your interpretation with everyone else's motive.

In the year 3598 England fans will still be singing it's coming home with a few new verses of new lyrics crying over the many near misses between now and then and people will still think they're being arrogant .

 

[nopigfansintown]

So easy to understand that Baddiel and skinner are in papers explaining the meaning decades later

I mean again if that’s how you take the song or not that’s fine, I just don’t think there has been a collective narrative that the song is only sang in a piss taking way

Words have meanings. People not understanding them isn't my problem. The meaning doesn't change because they're sang.
Baddiel and Skinner's intercession wasn't needed. It was all in the song. The meaning is crystal clear. If people want to think "swinging a pig from Hyde Park flats to Wadsley bridge" means United will be in the Champions League in three years I'd roll my eyes at that too. It's their problem.

 

[Brownieblade]

The irony is you've spent the thread objecting to stereotypes while insisting you know what millions of England supporters are really thinking when they sing a football song. That's a far bigger leap than anything I've said. Dislike the song by all means, but don't confuse your interpretation with everyone else's motive.

I think you deciding what I actually meant is far more ironic personally

I’m not sure what stereotypes I’m objecting too

I could be lazy and point out that you deciding what others are actually thinking when singing the songs is just the same

And at least I put forward an argument hat there clearly hasnt been a collective narrative , you haven’t put anything up other than you ignoring your own argument and assuming you do know what millions sing the song about

As clearly evidenced by your responses

 

[Carlton Blade]

I think you deciding what I actually meant is far more ironic personally

I’m not sure what stereotypes I’m objecting too

I could be lazy and point out that you deciding what others are actually thinking when singing the songs is just the same

And at least I put forward an argument hat there clearly hasnt been a collective narrative , you haven’t put anything up other than you ignoring your own argument and assuming you do know what millions sing the song about

As clearly evidenced by your responses

Where have I proposed what anyone is thinking as a collective?

I wouldn't have the data to answer on behalf of millions

 

[Brownieblade]

Words have meanings. People not understanding them isn't my problem. The meaning doesn't change because they're sang.
Baddiel and Skinner's intercession wasn't needed. It was all in the song. The meaning is crystal clear. If people want to think "swinging a pig from Hyde Park flats to Wadsley bridge" means United will be in the Champions League in three years I'd roll my eyes at that too. It's their problem.

Again great but it doesn’t really argue that it’s not meant in a different manner

10 German bombers can be used as a simple recognition of an important victory in a war, to simply dismiss that it’s not being used, by singing it in pubs and streets 80 years later, as another interpretation based on lyrics just doesn’t work imo

 

[Brownieblade]

Where have I proposed what anyone is thinking as a collective?

I wouldn't have the data to answer on behalf of millions

As I said, you could have equally used the same argument against the post I responded to, who like myself wouldn’t have the data to answer that

You didn’t because in all likelihood you agree with that sentiment

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Who cares frankly, good luck to the lad, he has proved all the haters at the lane that they got it wrong

A fair few of us were Sander backers when he was at the Lane. Clearly a class act.

I have noticed though that he got forward a lot more with us than I’ve seen in this tournament with Norway.

His current role in the Norway team appears to be a lot more defensive and just sitting in the midfield playing it nice and easy, letting the others around him to take the ball from midfield to the final third of the pitch.

 

[Carlton Blade]

As I said, you could have equally used the same argument against the post I responded to, who like myself wouldn’t have the data to answer that

You didn’t because in all likelihood you agree with that sentiment

If someone else makes a sweeping generalisation, they're just as open to being challenged.

You're still trying to infer what I think, just as you're inferring what millions of England fans think. Neither is something you can know.

I'm only responsible for what I've actually written, not for arguments you imagine I'd make or opinions you think I hold.

 

[Brownieblade]

If someone else makes a sweeping generalisation, they're just as open to being challenged.

You're still trying to infer what I think, just as you're inferring what millions of England fans think. Neither is something you can know.

I'm only responsible for what I've actually written, not for arguments you imagine I'd make or opinions you think I hold.

I don’t think me pointing out that the same argument could be labelled against either side , but you only chose to continually challenge one side, is me attempting to infer, I don’t think it’s unfair of myself to take the approach that you likely side with the other view when you never challenged that view as being unfair, if you disagree with that then fine, it’s ok to disagree

I would arguably agree on your first sentence in your last paragraph as equal for both of ourselves yet I think in your own words written that you have clearly decided to interpret my opinions and gone with your own interpretation

Anyway enjoy the rest of your day