BornOnShorehamStreet
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Normally our stewards get berated for being over-enthusiastic
Was it poor policing afterwards?
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WhiteHawk
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Another Pig that seems to forget that they were trying to fight with the Palace players.....Owlsman said:
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Can we get these people banned?
Ballinpigpubs13
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Kid in top pic far right should be banned for wearing that black and white jumper never mind anything else.
It's like an all year round Christmas jumper...the lad in the green penguin coat looks like Cresswell. Seriously, sad times for those idiots.
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One on the Kop was shown to his seat just before the penalty. Pissed but MASSIVE Blade
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If it was the same one then you were sat near me
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You mean like Billy Big Bollocks at the front in that first photo?
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Matt Bellamy from Muse... yeah.
walking back to the dev cat they seemed to be in a van outside staples
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bang middle of Kop
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I've long suspected that the police instigate trouble at football...all that overtime. Whatever the Human Rights bollocks says, the police could at least 'kettle' the away fans. Before the game, a cordon of about 50 OB did just that with whoever was in Rondevu (old Limit). Also, don't see much evidence of Yooman Rights when skulls are getting cracked, police dogs being set loose etc.
And remember the last time the Pigs played at the Lane? Around 50 of Southey Green's finest were allowed to pick off anybody wearing United colours just before kick-off (when our 'lads' were all in the ground, naturally). The cops have all their toys - helicopters, video surveillance etc. but conveniently fail to spot a sizeable group of pigs.
Having said all that, any United fans - especially wearing colours - would have to be naive in the extreme to think they could just walk down Bramall Lane when 5000+ away fans are being released and there be no bother. I needed to be in that direction yesterday but took a very roundabout way so I could avoid Bramall Lane.
And remember the last time the Pigs played at the Lane? Around 50 of Southey Green's finest were allowed to pick off anybody wearing United colours just before kick-off (when our 'lads' were all in the ground, naturally). The cops have all their toys - helicopters, video surveillance etc. but conveniently fail to spot a sizeable group of pigs.
Having said all that, any United fans - especially wearing colours - would have to be naive in the extreme to think they could just walk down Bramall Lane when 5000+ away fans are being released and there be no bother. I needed to be in that direction yesterday but took a very roundabout way so I could avoid Bramall Lane.
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Think I'm gangway D row AA
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I was sat in H Block, surrounded by Neanderthals! For most of the 1st half there was a congregation of people just stood in the gangway, mainly watching and gesticulating to the forest fans rather than taking any interest in the game. All they did was block everyone's view of the match.
The stewards meanwhile did a good impression of a bunch of high vis skittles. At the start of the second half, under orders they tried to get people to go to their seats. We ended up with a load of guys all crowding into our row, whether they had seats or not. My mates Lad ended up with a big fella actually jumping up and down on his seat when the goals went in. Which is fine apart from the cuts and grazes that it put down his leg.
I have to say the stewards were obviously intimidated by the crowd and were next to useless.
As for the scenes afterwards, common sense said don't head out into a sea of forest fans, so we made our way out of the south stand at the Kop end and had a nice trouble free stroll back to the car.
As for the smokebomb, it came over my head and landed on the netting above the BL end lower tier.
The stewards meanwhile did a good impression of a bunch of high vis skittles. At the start of the second half, under orders they tried to get people to go to their seats. We ended up with a load of guys all crowding into our row, whether they had seats or not. My mates Lad ended up with a big fella actually jumping up and down on his seat when the goals went in. Which is fine apart from the cuts and grazes that it put down his leg.
I have to say the stewards were obviously intimidated by the crowd and were next to useless.
As for the scenes afterwards, common sense said don't head out into a sea of forest fans, so we made our way out of the south stand at the Kop end and had a nice trouble free stroll back to the car.
As for the smokebomb, it came over my head and landed on the netting above the BL end lower tier.
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Its time the knuckle dragging neanderthals left this mortal coil and took their 70s brain cells with them. The scenes with Forest fans was appalling.
All those who came on the pitch should be banned for life. Set of deluded halfwits.
All those who came on the pitch should be banned for life. Set of deluded halfwits.
shorehamview
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Yes, and they burgle people and commit murders for all the overtime they get from that too.
One of my brothers is a police officer with CID in Rotherham. SYP stopped paying time and a half overtime a few years ago, around the time they had a pay freeze. Now overtime is paid at the standard hourly rate. That's all. Yes, there are some that volunteer for policing football matches but do you really think that they actually instigate trouble? They get paid regardless of arrests made.
Anyone who believes that the police instigate trouble at matches is, frankly, several biscuits short of a packet to say the least.
itsinyerblood
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Big picture in the Mirror of one of the idiots who ran onto the pitch yesterday. Seems there's to be an FA investigation into the pitch invasion, not that the consequence of this will bother any of the fools who went onto the pitch. It'll be united who have to bear the responsibility for their stupidity. I just hope united can present a reasonable case to the FA and not face a hefty fine.
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Yeah quite right, why would they instigate trouble, they're not on performance related pay. They don't work overtime for flat pay though, it's still time and a half. (Does your brother owe you money or summat?)
There are often skirmishes when the Police are nearby, because basically those involved are all gob and want to put on a show for their mates, knowing that the Police will intervene before it gets serious and they get a good hiding. A sort of 'hold me back, hold me back' scenario, often witnessed on a Saturday evening.
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Whilst I agree to an extent with what you are saying I still think personally that I would have like to seen the police at a bit swifter. It was blatantly obvious from 20-30 metres away from it all that multiple skirmishes had kicked off on that crowded road. My main concern to be honest was to see the innocents, families and young children caught up in amongst it all whilst trying to get back to the coaches.
I feel for SYP due to these numpties out for a scrap but I also feel for the innocents caught up in it all as well. In my opinion 5 minutes without any form of intervention is unacceptable. Maybe SYP have a reasonable explanation for this who knows......
1889
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Yeah they should close both ends of Bramall Lane, to create a sterile area. Allowing people who travelled by cars to go out but not allowing anyone into the restricted area until all of the coaches have left. Any incidents of disorder outside of that area can be managed by additional officers.
Or just keep large away followings like yesterdays in the ground for twenty minutes after the whistle?
shorehamview
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You must know some different policemen to my brother then. They've had a pay freeze and all overtime is now at normal time, unless you'd like to call him a liar to his face.
Neither are they on performance related pay. They don't get bonuses per riot stopped, or per arrest, or per hooligan bitten by a police dog, or per big steamy horse shit deposited on the streets, or per Volvo driven at 150 mph down the Parkway or any other "bonus" pay.
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Whether it was wise or not to walk down Bramall Lane as a united fan isn't the issue. What about the forest fans who have no option but to exit on Bramall Lane. It was an absolute recipe for disaster, and if a mere mortal like me can see this then i really fail to see why the commanding officer of the SYP can't. Regardless of which fans were to blame the situation shouldn't have even got close to happening in the first place.
Before the game, I found myself 'kettled' in a pub until 20 to 3. I'm sure there were people known to the police in there, but there were also women, children and people who just wanted a beer before the game. I don't necessarily agree with this tactic as I feel everyone gets tarred with the same brush and you are all treated as guilty for just having a beer. However, it prevented any trouble before the game. (on another note, if you can't keep away fans behind due to human rights? Why are they allowed to keep people in a pub?)
Bare in mind there is a history between the two regions which dates back to the 70s which still leaves a bitter taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Alarm bells are already starting to ring. Lets move on to during the match, some clown throws a smoke bomb at the forest fans. Alarm bells are now ringing. We then score a last minute penalty. Alarm bells are ringing louder. We then have a number of other clowns who run onto the pitch, right down to the forest end and start goading them. Alarm Bells are screeching.
This in itself should be enough surely to make the SYP to change whatever measures they had in place for after the game. You have to be proactive in the interests of public safety. Riot police were already at Bramall Lane, the road is already shut off. You simply block off both ends of Bramall Lane which allows the forest fans to exit safely and makes any contact between opposing fans impossible to happen.
However this didn't happen. So you have 5500 forest fans streaming onto Bramall Lane which isn't the widest road anyway, made even narrower by the fact that there are coaches all along it, and hundreds of blades all in an absolute bottleneck. It was absolutely ridiculousl, and there is no defence of the SYP for this. I understand that at times they get unfairly criticised, however this was mismanagement of the highest order. Whether you wanted to be involved in trouble or not yesterday, if you were on Bramall Lane after the game you literally had no choice in the matter.
Before the game, I found myself 'kettled' in a pub until 20 to 3. I'm sure there were people known to the police in there, but there were also women, children and people who just wanted a beer before the game. I don't necessarily agree with this tactic as I feel everyone gets tarred with the same brush and you are all treated as guilty for just having a beer. However, it prevented any trouble before the game. (on another note, if you can't keep away fans behind due to human rights? Why are they allowed to keep people in a pub?)
Bare in mind there is a history between the two regions which dates back to the 70s which still leaves a bitter taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Alarm bells are already starting to ring. Lets move on to during the match, some clown throws a smoke bomb at the forest fans. Alarm bells are now ringing. We then score a last minute penalty. Alarm bells are ringing louder. We then have a number of other clowns who run onto the pitch, right down to the forest end and start goading them. Alarm Bells are screeching.
This in itself should be enough surely to make the SYP to change whatever measures they had in place for after the game. You have to be proactive in the interests of public safety. Riot police were already at Bramall Lane, the road is already shut off. You simply block off both ends of Bramall Lane which allows the forest fans to exit safely and makes any contact between opposing fans impossible to happen.
However this didn't happen. So you have 5500 forest fans streaming onto Bramall Lane which isn't the widest road anyway, made even narrower by the fact that there are coaches all along it, and hundreds of blades all in an absolute bottleneck. It was absolutely ridiculousl, and there is no defence of the SYP for this. I understand that at times they get unfairly criticised, however this was mismanagement of the highest order. Whether you wanted to be involved in trouble or not yesterday, if you were on Bramall Lane after the game you literally had no choice in the matter.
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I thought this was the standard these days and the best way to deal with it but apparently it is against human rights now due to the PC brigade according to Linz.
GRUMPY BLADE
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I didn't see any trouble really after the game. A little scuffle with some Forest and the police near the coaches, but that was about it.
We walked down Bramall Lane from the South Stand towards town and it was rife for something to happen. The road is too narrow for all the fans when there is that amount of coaches down there.
We walked down Bramall Lane from the South Stand towards town and it was rife for something to happen. The road is too narrow for all the fans when there is that amount of coaches down there.
Rodley
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For a derby, I thought it was relatively trouble free outside the ground. Police didn't seem to have a handle by all accounts and the stewarding was poor. The people with the flares should be banned. The people on the pitch were idiots, but lifetime bans? That's over the top.
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