Was it poor policing afterwards?

[diplomat]

I went to wembley in about 95 with Rotherham and there was a very simple but effective perimeter defense that was essentially a couple of meters of string spaced out in a frame. It was easy to pop up and down depending on the likelihood of someone trying to climb over the perimeter.

Something like that would pretty much stop pitch invasions.

Personally I like witnessing a joyous pitch invasion. I hate seeing people running and goading opposing fans a-la Leeds in the cup and this game. The forest game when we won for the first time in 17 games or so in our return to the top flight is one of my favourite moments, for example.

Can't comment on other events cos I'm in Norway at the mo and missed the game.

 

[axel smeets]

I thought this was the standard these days and the best way to deal with it but apparently it is against human rights now due to the PC brigade according to Linz.

As someone who goes away almost every week, can you tell me why the local plod from wherever United are playing that particular week have a right to keep me and my fellow supporters locked inside for 20 minutes? It IS a breach of human rights, and anyone who has ever experienced it knows it creates more problems than it solves.

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

That kid with quiff with his hand on players back in picture should be banned for quiffing in public.

 

[Lane Ender]

I was sat in H Block, surrounded by Neanderthals! For most of the 1st half there was a congregation of people just stood in the gangway, mainly watching and gesticulating to the forest fans rather than taking any interest in the game. All they did was block everyone's view of the match.

The stewards meanwhile did a good impression of a bunch of high vis skittles. At the start of the second half, under orders they tried to get people to go to their seats. We ended up with a load of guys all crowding into our row, whether they had seats or not. My mates Lad ended up with a big fella actually jumping up and down on his seat when the goals went in. Which is fine apart from the cuts and grazes that it put down his leg.

I have to say the stewards were obviously intimidated by the crowd and were next to useless.

As for the scenes afterwards, common sense said don't head out into a sea of forest fans, so we made our way out of the south stand at the Kop end and had a nice trouble free stroll back to the car.

As for the smokebomb, it came over my head and landed on the netting above the BL end lower tier.

 

[Lane Ender]

Running on to the pitch is joke but naming and shaming is also.

As for what happened on Shoreham St was also a none event some of their old lads with their backs to the coaches flicking a few jabs out

30-40 years ago with the same situation the balloon would have gone up big time.

 

[highpeakblade]

As someone who goes away almost every week, can you tell me why the local plod from wherever United are playing that particular week have a right to keep me and my fellow supporters locked inside for 20 minutes? It IS a breach of human rights, and anyone who has ever experienced it knows it creates more problems than it solves.

I go to more or less every away game and I have no real problems in being kept in the ground if it requires it. Obviously there are certain grounds where we don't want to be kept behind but for the most I have no real problems with it.

 

[axel smeets]

I go to more or less every away game and I have no real problems in being kept in the ground if it requires it. Obviously there are certain grounds where we don't want to be kept behind but for the most I have no real problems with it.

Each to their own, but just because you have no problems being kept in does not mean that everyone else does. I can't think of what you think would require it. I remember United winning a cup tie 3-0 at Forest in January 2004. I went with my mate and his missus, who was pregnant.

As we went to the gates to get out, they told us no, you're being kept in. I started arguing the toss, but she simply opened her coat to reveal her bump, and out we went. There was no reason whatsoever to keep fans in that day that didn't want to be there, but they still did. It's so much easier to blend in amongst other fans rather than if you are released like some animal from a cage.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

As someone who goes away almost every week

Does that not leave you missing a lot of home games?

 

[highpeakblade]

Each to their own, but just because you have no problems being kept in does not mean that everyone else does. I can't think of what you think would require it. I remember United winning a cup tie 3-0 at Forest in January 2004. I went with my mate and his missus, who was pregnant.

As we went to the gates to get out, they told us no, you're being kept in. I started arguing the toss, but she simply opened her coat to reveal her bump, and out we went. There was no reason whatsoever to keep fans in that day that didn't want to be there, but they still did. It's so much easier to blend in amongst other fans rather than if you are released like some animal from a cage.

Different kettle of fish mate, I feel completely for you mate and his pregnant missus that shouldn't have happened. I suppose it is circumstances dependant, in a situation like that the stewards shouldn't have thought twice about letting them out.

 

[axel smeets]

Different kettle of fish mate, I feel completely for you mate and his pregnant missus that shouldn't have happened. I suppose it is circumstances dependant, in a situation like that the stewards shouldn't have thought twice about letting them out.

At Cardiff in 2009, when we had won 3-0, they kept us in afterwards. Their fans were roaming the streets looking for trouble. My mate and me had to get back to the train station, and personally it was quite worrying for a while. I think that if we'd been let out together at the same time as the Cardiff filth, we could have simply blended in and made our way back with less worry.

Those that want to stay behind should be allowed, and those that want to leave should be able to. Its a moot point now I suppose, with the legislation as it is.

 

[NZ Blade in Nelson]

Lifetime ban for going on the pitch......really? Things must have changed a lot since I left the UK. people getting passionate and acting a little stupidly at football shocker. I know that when I go to/play a game I revert to approx. 14 years of age.........and love it!! Lets not get too hard on them eh?

 

[1889]

You must know some different policemen to my brother then. They've had a pay freeze and all overtime is now at normal time, unless you'd like to call him a liar to his face.

Neither are they on performance related pay. They don't get bonuses per riot stopped, or per arrest, or per hooligan bitten by a police dog, or per big steamy horse shit deposited on the streets, or per Volvo driven at 150 mph down the Parkway or any other "bonus" pay.

I do apologise, I could have sworn I already said they're not on performance related pay? If your brother says they work their day off at the football for flat rate, he is a liar. But don't take my word for it, look on t'internet the Police being a public body all rates of pay are freely available, including overtime rates. The lowest rate of overtime is time and a third.

Every Police force has the same pay and conditions throughout England and Wales..........well, with the exception of Rotherham CID apparently? You can apologise whenever you like, but please don't tell your brother I said he was a liar though, a little bit of poo came out when you said I might have to tell him to his face

 

[Sirius]

As someone who goes away almost every week, can you tell me why the local plod from wherever United are playing that particular week have a right to keep me and my fellow supporters locked inside for 20 minutes? It IS a breach of human rights, and anyone who has ever experienced it knows it creates more problems than it solves.

A great pity that supporters can't enjoy a bit of banter post game. Some tell me that football is now 'Tribal' and that, that has caused policing to become, shall I say, heavy handed.
When I see cops, armed to the teeth in riot gear, it emphasises just how much ordinary life and activity has changed, perhaps for ever over the last twenty years or so.
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In the days of my good mate, a retired senior police officer, some common sense was applied to his method of policing that has apparently been replaced by 'watch your back, play it by the book' Unfortunately my mate tells me that it is a different book to that he read.
He is not naive though and concedes that everything in the garden was not lovely then.,

 

[stannyblade]

Think I'm gangway D row AA

me too